01 f4i won't start

alright guys so i finally put my bike away for winterization this past sunday. I put the bike up on stands and had completed the last matience needed before i were to put the bike cover on. I had it running for about 5 mins or close to ten and then i turned it off. I then ran to the gas station to get gas to top up the tank. I came back and topped up the tank and shortly after put in the fuel stabalizer. I then tried to start it but it wouldn;t start. The engine cranks over fine, but it seems like its not getting spark or fuel. I had it running just 10 mins before this so i am not sure what problem could have occured. Do u guys have any idea what it might be? i would like to be able to start it and run it so that the stabalizer can run through and also have peace in mind so i am not worrying all winter till spring hits. thanks!

Any help would be appreciated

u sure u didnt switch off the fuel line?

Just to eliminate the obvious, and since I don't know your history are you sure it's in neutral and the kill switch is on run? Since you ran it for 5 minutes and considering it is an 01 it might be time to replace the battery.

Also where are you located that you have to store your bike so early. Here in ohio we have been known to have 60 degree days in December. I hope we have many.

just retrace your steps and act as if your undoing your winterization project also you said your bike is on stands right depending on your stands is there anyhow you might have unplugged maybe the ignition wires under the nose by accident?

very odd... gremlins all around us. Like 05Tribal said, I'd check the battery with a multi meter. Did you have any thing happen while you were putting it up on the stands? Like a hard jolt or near drop that may have tripped the tilt sensor?

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ORIGINAL: shraz

u sure u didnt switch off the fuel line?

I didn't do anything drastic to the bike for something like that to happen.

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ORIGINAL: 05Tribal

Just to eliminate the obvious, and since I don't know your history are you sure it's in neutral and the kill switch is on run? Since you ran it for 5 minutes and considering it is an 01 it might be time to replace the battery.

Also where are you located that you have to store your bike so early. Here in ohio we have been known to have 60 degree days in December. I hope we have many.

I know the bike is in neutral and the kill switch is on run. Thats the first thing i checked when it wasn't starting. I am located in southern ontario in canada, man does it suck. It's not snowing or anything but strong cold winds and its about to hit zero soon for sure!!

Now that u mention the battery i practically killed the battery trying to start it, however i did charge it and tried it again but the bike was still doing the same thing.

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ORIGINAL: corderpounder88

just retrace your steps and act as if your undoing your winterization project also you said your bike is on stands right depending on your stands is there anyhow you might have unplugged maybe the ignition wires under the nose by accident?

It could be possible, but i highly doubt it! Although my front stand does pick up from the middle of the tripple tree i will check the harnesses in that area.

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ORIGINAL: doncollins

very odd... gremlins all around us. Like 05Tribal said, I'd check the battery with a multi meter. Did you have any thing happen while you were putting it up on the stands? Like a hard jolt or near drop that may have tripped the tilt sensor?

I know wat are they doing to me !!! Well the battery is fine i know that for sure and i have made sure the battery was fully charged and the engine cranks over fairly quick or normal so i know the battery is in perfectly healthy state. The only one thing i did was when the bike was up on stands i sprayed chain lube on the chain guard and then clicked it down into first for the wheel to turn. I did this a few times but once or twice i forgot that the kickstand was down. Thats about the only fault i had the whole time. Shortly after i had it running for that 5 min duration.

THANKS FOR THE REPLIES SO FAR

I see the next suggestion coming in the form of "what about the kick stand safety". If the bike is truning over, it's not the safety switch.

Hell, I'm at a lost for suggestions. It sounds like you know what you're doing and already checked the simple things we are coming up with. Let us know if you get it.

hmm not the kill switch or it wouldnt even turn over, same for the kicstand safety switch when you had to start it did you have the charger on it at the time if so you might have blown the fuse to the fuel pump or the ignition circuit i would check all the fuses in the block.then i would take all the plugs out clean them off turn it over with no plugs in it just to get all the old fuel out then put them in and start it if that dont work ill have to get back to you.

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ORIGINAL: doncollins

I see the next suggestion coming in the form of "what about the kick stand safety". If the bike is truning over, it's not the safety switch.

Hell, I'm at a lost for suggestions. It sounds like you know what you're doing and already checked the simple things we are coming up with. Let us know if you get it.

I am going to run through the basicis tommorrow once again and check out minor things, but ur right it does turn over and battery is 100% feels like fuel or spark to me.

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ORIGINAL: corderpounder88

hmm not the kill switch or it wouldnt even turn over, same for the kicstand safety switch when you had to start it did you have the charger on it at the time if so you might have blown the fuse to the fuel pump or the ignition circuit i would check all the fuses in the block.then i would take all the plugs out clean them off turn it over with no plugs in it just to get all the old fuel out then put them in and start it if that dont work ill have to get back to you.

Alright well i have to put in the engine fogger anyways so i am gonna have to get in there regardless. I will check to see if each cyclinder is getting spark and if even fuel is getting into the cyclinders. I have checked over some fuses already, but i will be sure to inspect all of them so i know its not a small problem such as that.

I am gonna get working on it tommorrow so i will post once i have looked everything over. Hopefully i can fix it or atleast narrow it down to something. After that i can refer to the service manual and possibly get some information out of there. I will keep you guys updated and once again thanks for the help!

you know I actually had the same problem just the other week. The bike was running fine and then I parked it on the garage as I normally do and the next day I went out and it wouldn't start. The bike was turning over fine. I called Honda and the guy said to just replace the battery and see if that works. So I bought the battery (he also said I can return it if that doesn't work so I said "why not") and took it home and changed that sucker out and it did the trick. Mine is an '01 as well. Have you changed your battery at all since new? this was the first time I had to do it and it worked. Somtimes something really simple could be the problem. I say give it a shot and if that isn't it you can just go return it and get your money back. Its better than doing a whole bunch of random stuff to try to figure out the problem.

oh and btw, I charged the battery to full with the yuasa tender and even though it said it was full, the bike still didn't start. I was like "man this can't be the battery, its frickin full!" but the guy was right.

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ORIGINAL: deeP

oh and btw, I charged the battery to full with the yuasa tender and even though it said it was full, the bike still didn't start. I was like "man this can't be the battery, its frickin full!" but the guy was right.

Well i dunno how that works, how would one battery work and not another? Did he give u any reasoning? I am hoping he did and u just didn;t run to the dealership for the battery just cuz he said so. I mean hey if it works thats awsome!! I am the third owner of the bike and i am most postive its the original battery.

Dude, the reason his original battery didn't work and the new battery did is because the original battery was worn out and it would not put out enough power to start the bike. The charging system on motorycycles is not like cars. Don't ask me shy but they do not show the same symptoms when the battery is starting to go like slow engine turn over.

And why not go buy a battery to trouble shoot the problem when the seller said he would take it back if the old battery was not the problem?

And why in the world would you not give consideration what an experienced shop tech might suggest about fixing your bike? Why waste your time and go through the trouble of asking us if you aren’t going to consider a professionals opinion? If that is your thinking then I wouldn't listen to us amateurs.

I better stop this post now. I don't know why but I'm starting to get upset.

ummm ... good points Tribal. Might look into anger management though

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ORIGINAL: 05Tribal

Dude, the reason his original battery didn't work and the new battery did is because the original battery was worn out and it would not put out enough power to start the bike. The charging system on motorycycles is not like cars. Don't ask me shy but they do not show the same symptoms when the battery is starting to go like slow engine turn over.

And why not go buy a battery to trouble shoot the problem when the seller said he would take it back if the old battery was not the problem?

And why in the world would you not give consideration what an experienced shop tech might suggest about fixing your bike? Why waste your time and go through the trouble of asking us if you aren’t going to consider a professionals opinion? If that is your thinking then I wouldn't listen to us amateurs.

I better stop this post now. I don't know why but I'm starting to get upset.

Alright someone needs to relax! I asked the reasoning behind it, i didn;t rip the guys head off about it. I know alot when it comes to cars so i can relate alot of it towards bikes. I am considering what he is saying i just wanted to hear the reasoning. I have to take the tank off anyways to put in engine fogger so i might aswell look out for the problem at that time. I appreciate all the help and i am not trying to sound like am not considering anything posted. Thanks once again and i haven;t had time to work on it but i will in the next 2 days so i will keep you guys updated.

OK, OK, I apologize for my over reaction. I admit I was a bit emotional after dealing with my out of no where unruly, almost 16 year old, son and also after a couple adult beverages, which usually makes me more of a lover and never a fighter.

Anyway arc_55, keep us up to date with what you find out about your bike and please don't let my unwarranted email prevent you from seeking further help.

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ORIGINAL: 05Tribal


OK, OK, I apologize for my over reaction. I admit I was a bit emotional after dealing with my out of no where unruly, almost 16 year old, son and also after a couple adult beverages, which usually makes me more of a lover and never a fighter.

Anyway arc_55, keep us up to date with what you find out about your bike and please don't let my unwarranted email prevent you from seeking further help.

Its all good my man i hear what your saying! Well i came back to working on it today and it was very hard for it to crank over but it started up perfectly. I am not sure if the fuel stablizer was what caused it not to start, but now after it being almost a week it just started up. It took a while but i heard a few putts from the exhaust and kept cranking it and rolling on a the throttle a bit and it started up. I am not sure why it was giving me such a hard time!!!! Well anyways thanks for the input and i have peace in mind now!

Do u think the stablizer could have done it? Maybe it just needed to sit with the fuel for a while ? I think i put in a little too much, but i guessed because the bottle said it would be good for 75 litres so i put in a third of the bottle.

I have never used a stabilizer before but from my calculations if 1/3 of the bottle is for 25 Liters then you put in enough for 6.6 gallons. I assume your tank is about 4 gals so enough for 6.6 was probably the reason. That along with putting 1/3 in when the tank wasn’t full then letting it settle while you went to get more gas probably did it. One thing I am learning about these bikes is if something doesn’t work after you did anything mechanical or chemical to your bike then it is more then likely related some how. I'm surprised no asked if you put to much stabilizer in but like me maybe there are not a lot of people familiar with the stuff.

Either way I’m glad to hear you got your baby working.

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ORIGINAL: 05Tribal

I have never used a stabilizer before but from my calculations if 1/3 of the bottle is for 25 Liters then you put in enough for 6.6 gallons. I assume your tank is about 4 gals so enough for 6.6 was probably the reason. That along with putting 1/3 in when the tank wasn’t full then letting it settle while you went to get more gas probably did it. One thing I am learning about these bikes is if something doesn’t work after you did anything mechanical or chemical to your bike then it is more then likely related some how. I'm surprised no asked if you put to much stabilizer in but like me maybe there are not a lot of people familiar with the stuff.

Either way I’m glad to hear you got your baby working.

thanks! well i was in a rush to get it winterized because i hate working in the cold!! Anyways i thought in the back of my head if i should get a measuring cup and do it properly, but i thought it wouldn;t hurt if it was off a little. All i got left is eninge fogger and to block off the intake and exhaust with rags.

What are you using for an engine fogger. Is there a specific tool made to "fog" oil in the cylinders? I just read a write up that says to add oil or use a fogger in the cylinders. I have heard of using oil but never a fogger to apply it.

the fogger just comes in an areosol can and is easier to apply in my opinion, but adding oil is also easy. The engine fogger is a flammable substance because it contains petroleum distillates and propane. The engine fogger is highly flammable so when starting up later you won't have the troubles like you would if the cylinders had oil in them. I think the fogger is a much effective application aswell, where as if you just put oil in the cyclinder and cranked it over you wouldn;t get all areas of the cyclinder. I bought Wynn's engine fogger u can find out tonnes of information in the Pdf. file through this link.


http://www.wynns.ca/pages/english/e_msds-con.html

either way i am sure both ways are effective if done properly. ( oil or fogger )