190 on a 600RR?

I just want to know if I can fit the 190 tire on the back of my 07 600RR? I know its pretty useless but I think it will look dope with my newly polished wheels. If it will fit between the swingarm, will it fit on the stock wheel. If yes, will it negatively effect ride or performance in any way? Thanks to the helpers, bah to the preachers.

hmm, I was actually wondering the same thing the other day. Hopefully we hear from someone who has done it

a 190 fits from what i understand but your decreasing lean angle or something but better straight line traction.

Yes it would fit....BUT...You would have a slower turn-in then you have now and the ride would not be very stable with the extra width and sidewall height. Not recommended.

iv also heard that it will bend the lip of the rim over time if its a stock 600 wheel with a 190 on it

the bike was designed for those exact tire sizes...  you are talking about making major differences in how it performs/handles.  I enjoy taking a lean, so why move the dynamics?

190/55 is doable. some like it. some dont. either way, it's safe to do. many a racer choose this over a 180.

AAH! conflicting opinions.. which is what I expected. Is it safe or not, and will I lose any ability to get-er down low?

wider tire = lean angle affected

From a racers standpoint...
The 190 weights more...enough to make a noticable difference.
The 190 offers more "side traction".
The 190 requires a different suspension set-up to work.
The 190 requires moreturn-in effort and is not as "flickable" side to side.
On tracks with long, flowing, fast corners, a 190/55 works well becuase of the additional side traction.  But on shorter, tighter more techinical tracks the 180 works better becuase you're spending more time going side to side.
 
I've tried it, didn't really like but could feel in some corners where it would help, BUT I never set my racebike up for it...
 
It's safe to do, but unless you can run a fairly quick race pace, I doubt you'd notice any real traction difference.  At most you'd probably notice the additional pressure required during intial turn-in.  Stay away from the 190/50 unless you go with a 6" rim, the 190/55 is a little pinched on the 5.5" rim, but a 190/50 is really pinched on a 5.5" rim.
 
 

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ORIGINAL: bigcha40
iv also heard that it will bend the lip of the rim over time if its a stock 600 wheel with a 190 on it

 
Who ever told you that should be smacked up side the head, tires don't bend rims... incompenent tire changers, pot holes and crashes bend rims.

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ORIGINAL: Jason748

From a racers standpoint...
The 190 weights more...enough to make a noticable difference.
The 190 offers more "side traction".
The 190 requires a different suspension set-up to work.
The 190 requires moreturn-in effort and is not as "flickable" side to side.
On tracks with long, flowing, fast corners, a 190/55 works well becuase of the additional side traction.  But on shorter, tighter more techinical tracks the 180 works better becuase you're spending more time going side to side.

I've tried it, didn't really like but could feel in some corners where it would help, BUT I never set my racebike up for it...

It's safe to do, but unless you can run a fairly quick race pace, I doubt you'd notice any real traction difference.  At most you'd probably notice the additional pressure required during intial turn-in.  Stay away from the 190/50 unless you go with a 6" rim, the 190/55 is a little pinched on the 5.5" rim, but a 190/50 is really pinched on a 5.5" rim.

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ORIGINAL: bigcha40
iv also heard that it will bend the lip of the rim over time if its a stock 600 wheel with a 190 on it

Who ever told you that should be smacked up side the head, tires don't bend rims... incompenent tire changers, pot holes and crashes bend rims.

This is pretty much what I was going to say, but I'll add my little bit anyways.

I got my bike with a 190. Damn thing flat spotted hard core in the center. Cornering was either all or nothing in regards to lean. It was doable, but it wasn't great. I put a 180 on the last change. WHOA! It was like the bike came back to life. Flickable, lean control, and the center was not nearly as flat as the 190 after nearly as many miles. I'd never go back to a 190.

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ORIGINAL: be vertical

AAH! conflicting opinions.. which is what I expected. Is it safe or not, and will I lose any ability to get-er down low?

no, if anything it helps keep it planted during lean. but you must really lean leaning the hell out of it. 190/55 for the track, 180/55 for the street.

you ride like a retard at the track, not the street.

Now it makes much more sense.. thanks for the help guys, im just going to go with a dual compound 180 to get a little extra side stick.

So basically you can do it, however its more "bulky" for lack of better words? Why does it work so well on the 1000 then?

wider rim

so if you get a different rim could thats solve it? or would that then make it not fit between the swingarm?

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ORIGINAL: bluej511

wider rim

 
Not just the wider rim. The 1k's suspension has been tuned for the 190 tire and the extra weight the bike has helps with getting the bike leaned.

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ORIGINAL: Jason748

From a racers standpoint...
The 190 weights more...enough to make a noticable difference.
The 190 offers more "side traction".
The 190 requires a different suspension set-up to work.
The 190 requires moreturn-in effort and is not as "flickable" side to side.
On tracks with long, flowing, fast corners, a 190/55 works well becuase of the additional side traction.  But on shorter, tighter more techinical tracks the 180 works better becuase you're spending more time going side to side.

I've tried it, didn't really like but could feel in some corners where it would help, BUT I never set my racebike up for it...

It's safe to do, but unless you can run a fairly quick race pace, I doubt you'd notice any real traction difference.  At most you'd probably notice the additional pressure required during intial turn-in.  Stay away from the 190/50 unless you go with a 6" rim, the 190/55 is a little pinched on the 5.5" rim, but a 190/50 is really pinched on a 5.5" rim.

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ORIGINAL: bigcha40
iv also heard that it will bend the lip of the rim over time if its a stock 600 wheel with a 190 on it

Who ever told you that should be smacked up side the head, tires don't bend rims... incompenent tire changers, pot holes and crashes bend rims.

 
well i guess i learned something new today. btw it was a mechanic at my local honda shop who told me

The "wider" tire will not make the rim wider, so all you end up doing is making the tire taller.  Make sense.  I'm sure you'll get a little wider but it's not going to be the real 190 compared to the 180.