Carb Cleaning Question!!!!Bike Died at 65!!!!
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Carb Cleaning Question!!!!Bike Died at 65!!!!
HurricaneRider
4/29/2008 12:35:14 PM
Ok so i just took my carbs off and they are a bit more dirty then i expected but oh well. My question is on the outside of the carb theres alot of dirty grude, can i just hit that with carb cleaner or do i have to remover all the rubber hoses and other stuff? Heres a few pictures, some of the springs are gummed up. Let me know asap
Gogar
4/29/2008 1:24:03 PM
Naw you could probably just hit it with some carb clreaner and it will be fine. Make sure you don't lose those little springs that are by the tabs for adjusting (syncing) the carbs; they can pop out sometimes and they're super important.
dalex
4/29/2008 1:37:40 PM
The exterior of the carbs doesn't matter as much as the internals
although those springs shouldn't be restricted too much either. If
you have no trouble removing the rubber boots and putting them
back afterwards, it wouldn't hurt to do it and do a good cleaning-up
job.
On a sidenote, try to put a break between those pics when you post
them, I'm sure most people don't have screens wide enough to view
them all without scrolling from left to right
HurricaneRider
4/29/2008 6:55:03 PM
Ok so the cleaning was heavily needed, but bike still wont start. So my next move is check spark so forth, but what size socket do i use, i tried a sparkplug 5/8 but it seems it didnt want to grab.
Gogar
4/29/2008 7:51:38 PM
I think for 1987 you need a thin-wall 17mm. Maybe 19? Can't remember. If you have the the stock tool kit there's a spark plug socket in there that's PERFECT.
HurricaneRider
4/29/2008 8:22:49 PM
k thanks all!!!!
HurricaneRider
4/29/2008 9:25:57 PM
Ok well i played with it for a while, and it started up and its running, seems better then before, due to i can turn it off and turn it right back on. But the exhuast sounds more aggressive, and not as high pitched as from before, is that normal?
cbreric
4/30/2008 5:37:51 AM
did you clean the inside of the carbs??
dalex
4/30/2008 7:44:23 AM
After you clean the carbs, it's normal that it runs differently, especially if you really cleaned everything, including taking out the pilot screws. As a result, you would need to re-adjust your mixture and idle and if you can, sync them.
HurricaneRider
4/30/2008 10:12:51 AM
Ok i took it for a spin, runs nice it goes, but it seems a bit laggist and once im pass 75 it takes for every to get 100, before it would fly up there. Mixture?
cbreric
4/30/2008 10:58:56 AM
sounds it. maybe a bit lean if it runs good but dies. rich if it is boggy all around. think I got that right lol!
Gogar
4/30/2008 11:01:12 AM
Mixture yes And sync. I see that you took the carbs off of the large Aluminum part of the airbox, so it might have changed your sync, and one or more of the cylinders is not getting as much gas as others. If some of your headers seem hotter than others, that's a clue.
Also, check those little springs I was talking about, and make sure none of them fell out. Losing one of those little springs will change your carb sync DRAMATICALLY.
The spring I'm talking about is the one directly in the center of your first pic, there's three total.
dalex
4/30/2008 11:07:59 AM
I would check the rubber boots between the carbs and cylinder head. Make sure the carbs are installed correctly and the rubbers well tightened. If you have any leaks, it will make it run like crap.
Gogar
4/30/2008 12:19:26 PM
yeah, what dalex said for sure. An easy way to check: with the bike running, spray carb cleaner all over each boot. If the engine sound changes (revs up a little bit) then you have a vacuum leak on that boot. (The vacuum is sucking the carb cleaner into the engine, changing the rpms.)
HurricaneRider
4/30/2008 1:33:49 PM
cbreric it still cant idle below 1500 rpms it dies, and theres alot of play with rpms when idling it bounces back and forth about 200-300 rpms.
Gogar im positive all the springs are there. & i will try out the carb cleaner test in a bit let you know!
Gogar
4/30/2008 3:05:42 PM
Turn those idle screws in half a turn and see what happens. Make sure theyre all at about the same spot, too.
HurricaneRider
5/1/2008 12:02:05 PM
Ok so im looking around at manuals and my bike and im not to surehow to get the limiter caps off?
Gogar
5/1/2008 1:43:01 PM
They're held on with blue loctite. If you grab 'em with a needle-nose or a vice- grip (softly) and GENTLY, SLOWLY work them from side to side they should come off after a while. Be careful because you don't want to bend the actual brass screw underneath.
HurricaneRider
5/1/2008 5:24:14 PM
Ok so i got the outside two off but the inside ones are a pain in the butt. Also i picked up some spark plugs today put them in, bike fires right up now, no choke, idles at 1400 rpms, but its still boggin and pops a bit up to about 6k. The old sparks got a brownish burn look to them, i know thats not a good sign, but what sign is it lol?
Gogar
5/1/2008 5:28:06 PM
HurricaneRider
5/1/2008 5:57:47 PM
Hey im trying to get those inside limiter caps off, but am having no luck is there any real good trick, or do i have to sit there and pull pull pull and nothing til it pops off?
ok so i gave up for the day on the inside limiter caps tried for literally an hour on one and about half hour on other, scratched then a bit but nothing major, i adjusted the outside too, there are at 2 3/4 turns.
also previous owner said it was jetted but when i was going through cleaning the carbs the main jets didnt have any numbers or anything on them to tell me what they are, is that strange or what?
tehehodi
5/2/2008 12:04:17 AM
why can't i find the sync screws dammit! pissing me off. and what springs are you talking about? i took off that plate to and i still don't see anything..i'm lost, i read the manual too.
mrfisher
5/2/2008 7:52:20 AM
Acetone (i.e. nail polish remover) is supposed to be able to remove loctite.
http://www.cyclingforums.com/archive/index.php/t-127417.html I think it's pretty safe, but I'd still be careful to not get it on anything painted/rubber/plastic etc. A little paintbrush or something would work to control where it's applied.
HurricaneRider
5/2/2008 8:55:02 AM
Ok so i thought i fixed the problems, new spark plugs, cleaned carbs, new r/r and it still dies while riding.
Ok heres what happened got it running yesterday everything same adjustment, and new sparks helped to make it fire up with no choke, i took it on a 23.7 mile ride no problems. Today I got about 5 miles and at 65 miles an hour i let off the throttle, bikes at 0 rpms, tried to start wouldnt start.
I look over and my chokes a bit on, idk if it flood from that or if i have other problems somewhere?
dalex
5/2/2008 10:21:04 AM
what gear and rpm were you at when it happened? If your bike is jetted, does that include needles? If so, 2 3/4 turns on the pilots seems like too much and you might have flooded it if in high-gear/low rpm. ... or you may have just ran out of fuel (oops). Perhaps a short in your kill-switch... I would make a list and start an elimination process of possible problems/solutions.. eventually you'll find it and laugh about it.
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