cop v bike

http://nothingtoxic.com/media/1209259058/How_an_Insane_Cop_Stops_a_Criminal_on_a_Motorcycle

I really hope that guy killed someone or worse. If not thats screwed up IMO.

I don't know were is the full video but here it's a small part...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYbtlO89Gw 

if i could still stand after that, i would have punched the cop in the face.  Having already run, admitted to having pot in my posession... why not just add that to the list.  the cop cetainly deserved it

to me it looks like the bike statrted in the far right third of the lane and as the bike approached the car it looked like the bike began to swerve to the left third of the lane and the cop countered the move.  This may have been a simple mistake, but depending on the reason the bike was being pursued someone may have a lot of explaining to do.
I know this will turn quickly into a f the police thread, but once again someone put themselves in a situation forcing to police to react.  If this guy would have stopped this never would have happened, so punching the cop really would not have helped the situation at all.
Many people will interpert this video different ways.  People that hate cops will of course say its wrong, people that run a lot will say its wrong, the ones that don't run and take what they get may say the biker deserved it, and cops may say it was fine.
I'm still a little questionable right now, not saying it was or was not justified.  Some people are quick to jump to conclusions but I would like to know more about the begining not just the end.  If anyone have more info please post.

since they had more than one car involved in the chase. The dumbfvck prolly had been running for awhile. And the way he was dressed was a stupid squid anyhow. Most like had no MC endorsement, or a license at all for that matter. He'll have plenty of tyme to rethink his dumbass action and life.

Playful, there are a fair amount of inaccuracies in your post.
 
He doesn't look much different than I might look on my bike.
 
It's not at all uncommon for a handfull of cops to be involved in a pursuit from the get go.
 
I don't have a MC endorsement.
 
RTB hit the nail on the head.  If this was a simple pursuit of someone doing a wheelie or something, then this agency needs to seriously rethink it's traffic stopping procedures lest they kill someone for a wheelie.  Yes, it's just a wheelie.  No it's not okay to do them on streets and no it's not okay to run.  Should you be killed because you did both?
 
I ran from the cops when I was 17 with some of my buddys.  I don't know how we lost the cop but we did.  I'd like to think my life weren't less valuble simply because I made a stupid mistake at one time, or because I didn't wear full leathers.
 

 
Without knowing the whole story though, it's all speculative and subjective.

Yea i just posted it up cause i stumbled on it earlier. I'm not sure what to think, i haven't been able to find a longer clip..

I was by no meens saying "f the police"  Just what my reaction would be... I tend to get a little road rage though, so my descision process would most likely be cloudy.  

No reason to hit the guy with your car. Cop was wrong for doing it and everyone knows that. It was attempted manslaughter by an officer. I am not a cop hater or basher.
 
In a hostage situation do the police try talking to the gunman or just shoot him?
When the police arrest a murder do they kill him on the spot or take him to jail?
When an officer is in pursuit of someone running from the law do they chase him or run him over?
 
The suspect could of died and it was wrong for that cop to hit him head on like that.

Ouch! Well im sure he wont run from the cops anymore. It didnt look like he was really trying to lose the cops. I know he was running from them however he didnt look like he was traveling as fast as he could have. I dont know if he "deserved" it and like some people said we need to know the whole story behind this..

Eh, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who runs from the cops has something to hide.  If they get shot, run over, whatever, they deserved it.  Personally I'd like to bring back the old "stop or I'll shoot" and have them actually mean it!

This type of action is not necessary by the police. Why make an attempt on someones life?
 
Lets just say it was for a traffic infraction, or he had expired tabs. I am not condoning running from the police, I personally never have and never will. I truly beleive in the whole "you can outrun the cop, but you can't outrun the radio" saying. Does a scared kid who probably and admitted to having some weed on him and probably did not have an endorsement deserve to have his life taken because of a stupid choice?
 
Granted we do not know the whole story and I would like to see excactly what the chase was for before continuing with my judgement. But this type of action is going over the line of "To Protect and Serve". 
I have the full up most respect for the men and women behind a badge. They wake up everyday to put their life on the line for us. But this does not make someone Judge, Jury and Executioner!

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Playful, there are a fair amount of inaccuracies in your post.

He doesn't look much different than I might look on my bike.

It's not at all uncommon for a handfull of cops to be involved in a pursuit from the get go.

I don't have a MC endorsement.

RTB hit the nail on the head.  If this was a simple pursuit of someone doing a wheelie or something, then this agency needs to seriously rethink it's traffic stopping procedures lest they kill someone for a wheelie.  Yes, it's just a wheelie.  No it's not okay to do them on streets and no it's not okay to run.  Should you be killed because you did both?

I ran from the cops when I was 17 with some of my buddys.  I don't know how we lost the cop but we did.  I'd like to think my life weren't less valuble simply because I made a stupid mistake at one time, or because I didn't wear full leathers.



Without knowing the whole story though, it's all speculative and subjective.

Fair enough. But soon as someone runs, they not only putting their lives at risk, but the cops involved and everyone else on the road n general area. So in fact the cops are justified in taking whatever means needed to stop the perp. Doesnt mean I like it, but it happens everyday.

Now go get your MC endorsement, that's truly being a squid. And if you wear shorts while riding, well I just hope you never find out just how stupid that is.

No shorts!
 
 
 

I do understand everyones feelings that they posted.  I still would like to know more.  did anyone else look back to see if MAYBE just maybe the motorcycle appeared to be moving from the right third of the lane to the left third of the lane.  Maybe the cop saw this and went to move out of the way, but then the bike corrected and went head on.
If you have not been engaged in a high speed pursuit you would not understand the emotions and stress.  Some can function fully and some get tunnel vision.  there is no way to train for the emotional effects of  pursuits.  You can train to drive all day long but when the feeling hits, sometimes its overwellming.
If there was a zero pursuit policy for motorcycles what do you think criminals would do, committ  crimes on motorcycles knowing that they can by some time to escape and flee.  Unfortunately there is no good way to stop a motorcycle from running.  Would you rather see stop sticking a motorcycle.  The spikes on the sticks are supposed to slowly deflate the tires, but what if the cops did this and the tire was bad and blew out at 50 mph.  there is no good way or happy ending.
Maybe the cop in the car had tunnel vision or whats sometimes called target fixation.  He saw his target, the motorcycle, and fixated on it and countered every move resulting in the accident. 
I still can't say right or wrong with out knowing a little more about the background leading up to the ppursuit itself.

OUCH!!!!
 
*speechless*

I too would like to know more of the story.  The cop may have been wrong to do what he did or maybe he did get tunnel vision.  Or maybe he was justified in doing it.  We don't know if the rider just committed a serious crime or just a traffic offense.  We don't know if he just committed homicide or robbed somebody.  For offenses like these, if the police feel other lives are in danger they are justified in using deadly force.  Also like others said, when you run from the police you put everybodys life in danger.  Maybe it was near a school zone and young children were in the area or in crossing zones.  If my young son was in the area, id rather the police do this than to break off the chse and let him fly through the area endangering his life.  
 
Im not siding with the police because we dont know the whole story.  I just wanted to point out a few things.  With all the cop bashing going on lately, Im glad to see alot of members on this thread not taking sides because we dont know the facts behind this.  Not all cops are bad guys.  Sure there some a'holes out there that make others look bad.  But theres a'holes in every profession.  And what about a'holes that ride bikes or more commonly known as squids.  They make other bikers look bad, right.  But we all hate it when people look at all bikers like they're a'holes.  How do you think the good cops feel when people disrespect them because of a bad run in they had with an a'hole cop?

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I do understand everyones feelings that they posted.  I still would like to know more.  did anyone else look back to see if MAYBE just maybe the motorcycle appeared to be moving from the right third of the lane to the left third of the lane.  Maybe the cop saw this and went to move out of the way, but then the bike corrected and went head on.
If you have not been engaged in a high speed pursuit you would not understand the emotions and stress.  Some can function fully and some get tunnel vision.  there is no way to train for the emotional effects of  pursuits.  You can train to drive all day long but when the feeling hits, sometimes its overwellming.
If there was a zero pursuit policy for motorcycles what do you think criminals would do, committ  crimes on motorcycles knowing that they can by some time to escape and flee.  Unfortunately there is no good way to stop a motorcycle from running.  Would you rather see stop sticking a motorcycle.  The spikes on the sticks are supposed to slowly deflate the tires, but what if the cops did this and the tire was bad and blew out at 50 mph.  there is no good way or happy ending.
Maybe the cop in the car had tunnel vision or whats sometimes called target fixation.  He saw his target, the motorcycle, and fixated on it and countered every move resulting in the accident. 
I still can't say right or wrong with out knowing a little more about the background leading up to the ppursuit itself.

 
Come on now... I rewound it 10+ times. the motorcycle wasn't going at high rate of speed first of all. Second the officer pulled in his path and the motorcycle did move to the left and so did the officer and when he went back to the right so did the officer. He was clearly going for him. I could watch a video from the day the cop was born and it will not change the final outcome of this video.
 
The police need to have better counter measures for pursuits involving motorcycles. Many states have banned high speed pursuits involving vehicals. Maybe the police should have cameras in their patrol car like the do at the stop light intersections to take a detailed photo of the runner and arrest him at a later time. Their dash cams just don't have a good quality. I think that would be a better way to go. Im sure you will reply "the cost would be too high to outfit all the cars with camera's". If it is then don't chase em or run em over, If you don't have the proper tools don't do the job.

ok guys after reading some of your posts defending the rider im confused.  You guys say 'what if it was over something as stupid as an expired tag' or 'he had a little weed on him'.  The fact of the matter is, the police didnt twist his arm or FORCE him to flee.  That is 100% his choice to run from the police, whether it be on a motorcycle, in a car, or on foot.  It is nobody's fault but his at that point when he decides to take his chances and flee from a LEO.  Am i missing something?

RCR  ok so what would your fix be.  If a guy on a motorcycle just robbed your house, how would you like the police to stop him?  If a guy on a motorcycle passed a cop going 110 mph would you want the police to try to stop him before he runs that red light and broadsides a vehicle you are in.  What would the proper tools be?  We still don't know why this guy was running.
No matter what it is easier to second guess.  You said yourself the patrol car made several moves could, and think about it, could the cop be trying to avoid the bike but reactions made it look like he ment to hit him?
Pursuits will always have mixed emotions.  Sometimes I think that they are a necessary evil.  As I said sometimes.  Pursue over a wheelie - no, over certain speeds - no, felony crimes - violent ones and some non violent.
The motorcycle was non at a high rate of speed at the time of the accident, but how fast before?  Did the motorcycle just make a corner?  Did the motorcycle almost wreck on his own and scare the rider?  Was the rider inexperienced?  What if the motorcycle was pit-ed at 100 mph?  If you have to end a pursuit vehicle vs vehicle slow speed is key to avoid major injury, for the most part.
To me dash cams are also questionable.  What if you let a freind use your motorcycle and he not you run from the police?  The next day or two cops show up and you go to jail because you resemble the rider on your motorcycle that ran from the police who have a video that clearly shows your tag.  You say that the videp is not you but getting a good id on the rider who had a helmet and pant and long sleeves on would be hard espically because you let your friend use your helmet.  Dash cams may help but it also is not a perfect fix to a problem of people running.
The only fix is to stop and take responsibility for your actions and/or crimes.

^You go boy.
 
Not cool to run, not cool to take out bikes with cars for minor violations.  It seems some of you are arguing that, "maybe he didn't deserve it," instead of, "I don't know what happened, but I hope they're not plowing people over for running a red light."
 
Everyone that has posted in here so far I have respect for.  That being the case, I know you're all just frustrated because it seems like people don't get where you're coming from.  I assure you, everyone who is saying, "we need to know more," aren't saying it was okay to hit the bike...
 
They/we/I just want to know more before commiting to a judgement call.  Which I guess it really what this discussion is about, judgement.

Kid  -  I'm not frustrated at all.  I know you have had a history in Law Enforcement and some here know that I am currently a Motorcycle Officer.  To me the point of my posts is to hopefully allow some to see things from the "dark side"  lol.  Some people pass judgement quickly due to personal beliefs and past experiences, we all do at times. 
As I do respect everyones opinion, we are all intitled to one,  I just like to hopefully get peoples minds thinking, not push my beliefs.  Some will agree, some will not.  At least hopefully I can make some see where Law Enforcement MAY be coming from.
A good friendly arguement never hurt anyone anyway.  lol

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Kid  -  I'm not frustrated at all.  I know you have had a history in Law Enforcement and some here know that I am currently a Motorcycle Officer.  To me the point of my posts is to hopefully allow some to see things from the "dark side"  lol.  Some people pass judgement quickly due to personal beliefs and past experiences, we all do at sometimes. 
As I do respect everyones opinion, we are all intitled to one,  I just like to hopefully get peoples mind thinking, not push my beliefs.  Some will agree, some will not.  At least hopefully I can make some see where Law Enforcement MAY be coming from.
A good friendly arguement never hurt anyone anyway.  lol

gets ppl posting lol

Without disagreement there would be little conversation. lol