golddragon1967
10/12/2006 7:05:18 PM
As a new rider I'm curious how many experienced riders use this.
telepathboy
10/12/2006 7:56:21 PM
How do you turn without it?
voodoochyl
10/12/2006 8:05:05 PM
Even if you don't use counter steering, you use counter steering. You should get a copy of "Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well" by David L. Hough. It is a GREAT book for anyone who rides. You can get it for about $20.00 with shipping from Amazon. Do yourself a favor...it explains all about counter steering, and everything else you want to know.
Idaho_Spud
10/12/2006 8:10:45 PM
I don't think it's possible to ride a two-wheeled vehicle without countersteering - unless it has training wheels :)
Bobthebiker
10/12/2006 9:05:16 PM
I cant NOT use countersteering. as I understand the physical aspect of this stuff, if you're turning right, and you decided to turn the wheel right, BAM, your bike is straightening up, and going left now. its just how things work on bikes. now, as I ride, countersteering only seems to work above 20-25mph.
VP
10/12/2006 10:51:49 PM
yeah countersteering is acutally better known as a gyroscope...this is from howstuffworks.com
"The motorcycle's wheels act like gyroscopes and create gyroscopic forces when moving at speeds above five miles an hour. One of the most interesting effects related to a gyroscope is a phenomenon known as precession. When a force is applied perpendicular to a gyroscope's axis of rotation, the resulting motion is perpendicular to the input force. This motion is called precession, and it's what causes the steering in motorcycles to be counterintuitive. It's also why instructors often arm their beginning riders with a simple mnemonic: "Push left, turn left. Push right, turn right."
the whole article is here
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/motorcycle.htm but the page I took the quote from is page 3.
woodyracing
10/13/2006 12:16:28 AM
yeah other than sub-10mph turns you can't ride without countersteering, most new riders just don't know they're doing it
CBRCorey
10/13/2006 12:55:54 AM
If you think then you are doing something wrong. Just ride.
TennesseeCBRF2
10/13/2006 10:46:46 AM
Don't let the name fool you... just because you are countersteering doesn't mean the front wheel of the bike will be turned across the centerline. Go buy a book that explains it well such as How to Ride a Motorcycle by Pat Hahn. After you have a few hundred miles under your belt read a more intermediate book such as Total Control by Lee Parks. I agree with Corey when he says to just ride, but if you practice proper technique you will be able to ride faster AND safer at the same time!
VP
10/13/2006 11:46:30 AM
why hasn't anybody said anything about this noob poll? There is only one choice... so maybe he knows you have to use countersterring?
rrasco
10/13/2006 12:17:07 PM
i dont know man, i thought it was going to be a yes/no, but apparently not. i saw the title and was like wtf!?!?!
thats like asking how many of us breathe oxygen on a daily basis.
fishfryer527
10/13/2006 12:53:49 PM
I don't countersteer. I only drive in straight lines. I will post again in 86 days which is how long I expect it will take me to drive around the world. Does any one need anything while i'm out????
ddvs
10/13/2006 2:05:28 PM
Some riders dip the bars to either side, by dipping the bars the bike initiates the turn faster.
Thack
10/13/2006 4:08:05 PM
Beleave it or not you even do it at low speeds, you may not be dealing with the gyro but, you are tipping the bike over. If you don't beleave me just watch yourself the next time you stop at a light, you will notice you move the steering ever so slightly opposite of your stretch out leg to tip the bike in that direction.
My 2 cents, learn to use it because in a panic situation it needs to be second nature or you may steer into the obeject you are trying to miss
voodoochyl
10/14/2006 10:00:18 AM
quote:
ORIGINAL: vpsophmore
why hasn't anybody said anything about this noob poll? There is only one choice
Yeah, I thought that was funny, too. It is like the old elections in the Socialist Soviet Union. They got to vote, but there was only one guy on the ballot!
pawel
10/14/2006 11:24:04 AM
quote:
ORIGINAL: vpsophmore
yeah countersteering is acutally better known as a gyroscope...this is from howstuffworks.com
"The motorcycle's wheels act like gyroscopes and create gyroscopic forces when moving at speeds above five miles an hour. One of the most interesting effects related to a gyroscope is a phenomenon known as precession. When a force is applied perpendicular to a gyroscope's axis of rotation, the resulting motion is perpendicular to the input force. This motion is called precession, and it's what causes the steering in motorcycles to be counterintuitive. It's also why instructors often arm their beginning riders with a simple mnemonic: "Push left, turn left. Push right, turn right."
the whole article is here http://auto.howstuffworks.com/motorcycle.htm but the page I took the quote from is page 3.
I just did a lab in physics on monday about this stuff, haha
VP
10/14/2006 12:55:59 PM
quote:
I just did a lab in physics on monday about this stuff, haha
I remember those labs... that was good fun.
outsider8
10/14/2006 1:39:05 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: vpsophmore
quote:
I just did a lab in physics on monday about this stuff, haha
I remember those labs... that was good fun.
i remember them as well,but the problem was-i was geology
we used the same classroom as physics-they never put their toys away
o8
drag the knee
10/15/2006 6:12:16 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: voodoochyl
Even if you don't use counter steering, you use counter steering.
+1 Makes sense to people that know whats up.
