Does anyone have a late model 600 RR that is lowered?
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Does anyone have a late model 600 RR that is lowered?
Matthew52303
6/14/2006 12:53:49 AM
How did you go about it? What differences does it make? Any advice?
dragonium25
6/14/2006 1:28:24 AM
Don't have it done, but you can just get a lowering link. Messes up handling, suspension. Don't do it.
Why do you want it done? I've only heard bad things from others about lowering a bike. There's also the chance of scraping up the bottom.
bcghawk
6/14/2006 3:10:10 AM
I've been researching it for a while,
Just don't do it. For whatever reason you got there's 10 more not to
I'll be the first one to jump on the bandwagon for adjusting the ride height a little because of my stubby little legs. But after all the stuff I've looked at it's just NOT worth it for me to get that 1/4 inch so I can put my feet flat on the ground.
Unless you're building a drag bike. then go for it.
Matthew52303
6/14/2006 8:08:39 AM
Yeah Im like you, I just need a little bit more to put my feet flat on the ground. Thanks for the advice, I was just checking into some options.
Fretless33
6/14/2006 10:39:19 AM
Why do newbies always want to put their feet flat on the ground? Just shift your butt side to side and forget about the importance of having feet flat on the ground, because it's not important! The reduction in ground clearance and worse handling as a result of lowering are far more critical and will really mess things up in the long run!
DThompson
6/16/2006 9:45:47 PM
You can lower it like an inch, its not as bad as everyone here is saying, I personally have my bike lowered and it still handles great and I rip it in the corners pretty hard. The only thing is you have to watch out because you gotta keep your toes on the pegs around corners all the time because you have a chance of scrapin them on the ground. And you will be touchin the ground a little bit faster but not that much faster. Just dont lower it anymore than an inch and you will be fine.
HondaCBR600RRhunk
10/16/2006 11:22:47 PM
Thats right, I lowered my bike 1 inch, and it still handles great. I didn't have to lower the front suspension either. The bike stands perfectly level, and handles better than before. Both feet are flat on the ground, and I feel more in control of my bike. Don't listen to some of these clowns. Just do it, you won't regret it.
Fretless33
10/17/2006 11:08:15 AM
I'm going to do what hunk did and post about 10 of the same replies:
HondaCBR600RRhunk...I asked a friend of mine...someone who I greatly respect and races professionally and here's what he said:
quote:
It depends... Just the front? Just the rear? both?
1" is pretty dramatic. If you go from either end alone, the geometry will be all screwed up and it will handle poorly. You will either turn in WAY too fast (front dropped) or turn in WAY too slow (rear dropped).
In every instance, you're going to sacrafice ground clearance which is a HUGE deal on the 600rr. If you're commuting and don't really lean that much, you can get by with it without having a problem, but if you're to the edge of your tires right now (or close to it), you will be dragging pegs, plastics and ultimately case covers until you crash.
Additionally, unless you go with an aftermarket shock to lower the rear, you're stuck using 'dog-bones' to lower it. This REALLY screws up the lever ratio of the rear pro-link suspension. The angles on the 'C' piece of the linkage change pretty significantly which affects the pull on the bike, which affects how the rear shock works.
Overall, lowering the bike is a bad idea. Can it be done? Yes. The proper way to do it would be to:
Replace the rear shock with something aftermarket that can be built shorter.
Lower the front end to match the rear.
Use offset triple clamps to correct the new steering angle.
The total cost on all of this would be around $2000 if not a few bucks more because you would need to have some sort of chassis measurement to ensure the front end is setup right.
Can you do it cheap and have it turn out right? Not really. You're going to sacrafice handling, ground clearance and overall stability.
Hope that helps..
Read and learn...ok?
HondaCBR600RRhunk
10/17/2006 12:35:15 PM
$2000 for the bike to be lowered right?? What are you smoking? Seriously. I haven't had any issues and many others on here who have lowered their bike haven't had issues. YOU TELL ME TO READ AND LEARN. I tell you to EXPERIENCE IT FIRST HAND, AND LEARN BETTER. Its this type of propaganda that people need to be aware of. It maybe true if your lowering the bike dramatically, but 1" is not going to throw everything off. I read in a cycle mag, that the crew lowered their bike 1" in the back only, and this made the rider have better lap times, yes an improvement. For those wanting to lower your bike 1", go for it. Don't let other members convince you to do the opposite. If they really have to convince you not to do it, then there is a good reason for it, and it may not be in your best interest. Lower your ride a bit, and enjoy. Tell me how things are after you do it. You will love it, and you will notice a positive difference. Honestly.
As for me typing to all those other threads about lowering. Well if you didn't suggest NOT to do it, I wouldn't have to throw in my opinion to do otherwise. There is a reason why your a super member. If you ride more than you are on the computer answering threads, than maybe you would see for yourself what you can learn from riding your bike. Let those that want to lower their bike, to lower it okay bud?! Your discouraging people from doing it, just from what a buddy or two are saying about it. I've been there, and done it, you haven't. So your words are empty. Like I said before do it, and see how good it is. You will notice a better difference all around. If you don't like it, you can always spend another hour and remove it, and put the stocker in. Capeesh?!!
D2VW14_20
10/17/2006 12:54:47 PM
Actually, on average, you post more often than fretless, since he has been a member for over a year, from days hes been an member to posts, its about 1.9 a day, while on you its 2.8 a day. So that argument really didnt work for you. Good luck doing whatever you decide to do Matthew, but understand that its going to be a lot less stable in corners and you will have the feeling at first like the bike is going to fall over in turns (when you first ride it). I have ridden a few lowered and thats what it feels like to me anyways. Good luck
abadfish
10/17/2006 1:01:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: HondaCBR600RRhunk
$2000 for the bike to be lowered right?? What are you smoking? Seriously.
$2k is not outrageous if you're totally revamping your suspension. IMHO, that's the best way to go. Lowering links leave your rear shock in a position it was not designed to be in. quote:
I haven't had any issues and many others on here who have lowered their bike haven't had issues. YOU TELL ME TO READ AND LEARN. I tell you to EXPERIENCE IT FIRST HAND, AND LEARN BETTER.
Okay, I'll give you my FIRSTHAND experience. I lowered my F3 1". It was fine...until I took it to the track. I was scraping fairings in the turns. I ended up going back to stock height and even raising the rear higher than stock. So in my firsthand experience, anybody who tells you they haven't had any issues isn't pushing their bike very hard.
matthew, you can read more about my experience here (I just don't feel like re-typing it):
http://cbrworld.net/forums/thread/248611.aspx
Can you lower it? Yes. The real question is whether or not you should. Only you can answer that. To do such, I think you first need to determine what your ultimate goal is in relation to riding. Are you just going to tool around town with occasional jaunts into the twisties?? Or are you going to be kneedragging on the rumble strips??? I'm not trying to sway you one way or the other. I'm just sharing the experience from someone whose been there and has taken it to a level that most riders with lowered bikes don't go.
In the link above, I discuss my views on various lowering methods. Hopefully, they can help you make an informed decision. You can decide what works for you (and your budget) if you still decide to lower it. Just realize that you don't get something for nothing (as with any mod on these bikes) and you will be sacrificing something.
Good luck!
Fretless33
10/17/2006 1:57:43 PM
I don't know which thread to reply in so I pick this one...
hunk all you succeeded in doing is make yourself look stubborn and thick headed...I'm glad you enjoy your lowered bike, but you haven't offered anything but your opinion (as is mine but more factual).
The suspension modifications are suggested as the "right way to do it," obviously not the only way...I'm amazed that you ignored my example of the girl that crashed from her lowered bike and the very technical example from a professional racer and you discredit as "propaganda?" That amazes me!!! You make it seem like lowering your bike is one of the best kept secrets in the motorcycling community and I'm a protester spreading negative propaganda about it...what a hoot!!!
As far as needing to experience it...sorry...I don't need to lower my bike (I'm only an inch taller than you)...it handles just fine without it...you could tell me that jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is exciting and will improve my sky diving skills and I have enough common sense to be able to figure out that I don't need to experience that...get the picture.
Are you recommending that this "throwing on a dog bone secret" is something that's been missed in the racing circuit and every one should do it to improve their lap times? Maybe you misunderstood that Cycle Mag propaganda...
Like was mentioned in another thread...sure it CAN be lowered, but is it a good performance enhancing idea...no!
Oh and thanks for the laugh...
stephygee
10/17/2006 2:11:04 PM
My friend Sunny has a lowered (1") 600RR and it rides just fine. Sunny is 5'3 so she's already vertically challenged, even for a female, but she handles the bike like a toy. I've taken a couple spins on it and I'm 5'6", and it rides fine. My bike (F4i) is lowered 1" and I'd say the only difference in handling between our bikes is that she has a more comfortable seat and it's a bit heavier because she has more chrome parts than I do :)
You should have no problem lowering your bike, as long as you don't go over 1", otherwise you'll probably have a lot of serious suspension problems.
Here's a pic of Sunny's ride....
Fretless33
10/17/2006 6:13:44 PM
It's been written in many threads now stephy...you can lower it, but it's not a performance mod...it's perfectly fine if all you want to do is show off your "bitchin" bike at Starbucks...If you're a track junky then 1" is too much, especially if it involves a lowering link...
stephygee
10/17/2006 7:40:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: Fretless33
It's been written in many threads now stephy...you can lower it, but it's not a performance mod...it's perfectly fine if all you want to do is show off your "bitchin" bike at Starbucks...If you're a track junky then 1" is too much, especially if it involves a lowering link...
Huh? The original poster asked who has a late model 600RR that's lowered. I posted one. Where the hell does it ask about a performance mod or having a "bitchin" bike at Starbucks? Same with the other thread....person asks how it would affect his suspension and I gave my OPINION based on my EXPERIENCE. Geezus...
HondaCBR600RRhunk
10/18/2006 12:38:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: stephygee
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ORIGINAL: Fretless33
It's been written in many threads now stephy...you can lower it, but it's not a performance mod...it's perfectly fine if all you want to do is show off your "bitchin" bike at Starbucks...If you're a track junky then 1" is too much, especially if it involves a lowering link...
Huh? The original poster asked who has a late model 600RR that's lowered. I posted one. Where the hell does it ask about a performance mod or having a "bitchin" bike at Starbucks? Same with the other thread....person asks how it would affect his suspension and I gave my OPINION based on my EXPERIENCE. Geezus...
Damn Stephy, you told him for the second time, wow. Yeah its fun telling Fret off. Glad to see a fellow member stand up to someone that likes to talk out of his ass. I think he has a love affair with starbucks coffee and bitchin bikes. Honestly I don't think he owns a motorcycle, something fishy about that guy. I don't know...
HondaCBR600RRhunk
10/18/2006 12:47:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: D2MEclipseGT_600RR
Actually, on average, you post more often than fretless, since he has been a member for over a year, from days hes been an member to posts, its about 1.9 a day, while on you its 2.8 a day. So that argument really didnt work for you. Good luck doing whatever you decide to do Matthew, but understand that its going to be a lot less stable in corners and you will have the feeling at first like the bike is going to fall over in turns (when you first ride it). I have ridden a few lowered and thats what it feels like to me anyways. Good luck
So tell me Mitsubishi Eclipse, how did you know that Fret types 1.9 a day and that I type 2.8 a day? Are you the stalker of the forum? Yeah Stalker Eclipse, yeah that suits you just fine. And who the hell is Mathew?? Next thing you know, you'll be logging how many times I'm on here. Thats ok, but if you manage to produce my phone bill, and a photo of my dirty underwear, then I'll have to report you to the proper authorities. Haha, you guys are chuckleheads, what a wiseguy you are. Funny shit if you ask me, its hard to take you seriously though, but I'm trying.
dwhite645
10/18/2006 1:08:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: HondaCBR600RRhunk
Damn Stephy, you told him for the second time, wow. Yeah its fun telling Fret off. Glad to see a fellow member stand up to someone that likes to talk out of his ass. I think he has a love affair with starbucks coffee and bitchin bikes. Honestly I don't think he owns a motorcycle, something fishy about that guy. I don't know...
Actually Fretless is pretty much right on the money. Once you lower your bike, everything changes. It may very well feel more stable because it has a lower center of gravity, but all the geometry of the bike has changed. You'll end up dragging the pegs and your feet easier causing instability, possibly bottom out on the pan or fairing plastics too. Your turn in ability has also changed. The swingarm in relation to the frame has also changed decreasing the angle. Do what you want really, but it's not a change for the better.
I'll probably post this in all the sections since there are like 5 different topics on the same subject going.
Blue Fox
10/18/2006 1:26:27 AM
I just want to say a little something.....
Honda spent years developing the 600RR before the 2003 was even released. They have gone over all of the scenerios, pros, cons, obstacles, riders, rider height, rider weight, stance, handling, cornering, acceleration, deceleration, hard braking, emergency braking.......thousands more including a little one called BALANCE! They have MANY, maybe even hundreds of engineers that developed this bike to be what it is.....a Honda. One of the strongest, quickest, best handling 600cc bikes you can buy. Honda is known for their engineering genious. Do you think they would actually half-ass something on this bike (with the exception of the worst plastic screw rivet thingys known to man.) - but there's probably a reason for that too.
BIKES ARE NOT CARS! You can't throw on coil-overs, drop it an inch or two and increase the handling. These bikes are PERFECTLY balanced, and they need to stay that way or you loose one of the greatest things this bike has going for it.....the handling. Screwing with the ride height just doesn't alter the ride height. There is a whole book written about the effects on thing has on the entire bike. (one written by Keith Code).....and ride height is one of them.
Okay, I'm done. Not really venting, but there IS a reason why you can NOT find a genuine Honda lowering link.
cksean
10/18/2006 1:34:18 AM
if you want a low ridin'...bling blingin' bike...go getta BUSA and do whatever you want with it and we won't care!!!...
Blue Fox
10/18/2006 1:38:38 AM
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ORIGINAL: cksean
if you want a low ridin'...bling blingin' bike...go getta BUSA and do whatever you want with it and we won't care!!!...
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Couldn't have said it better. LOL!
HondaCBR600RRhunk
10/18/2006 1:38:57 AM
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ORIGINAL: Blue Fox
I just want to say a little something.....
Honda spent years developing the 600RR before the 2003 was even released. They have gone over all of the scenerios, pros, cons, obstacles, riders, rider height, rider weight, stance, handling, cornering, acceleration, deceleration, hard braking, emergency braking.......thousands more including a little one called BALANCE! They have MANY, maybe even hundreds of engineers that developed this bike to be what it is.....a Honda. One of the strongest, quickest, best handling 600cc bikes you can buy. Honda is known for their engineering genious. Do you think they would actually half-ass something on this bike (with the exception of the worst plastic screw rivet thingys known to man.) - but there's probably a reason for that too.
BIKES ARE NOT CARS! You can't throw on coil-overs, drop it an inch or two and increase the handling. These bikes are PERFECTLY balanced, and they need to stay that way or you loose one of the greatest things this bike has going for it.....the handling. Screwing with the ride height just doesn't alter the ride height. There is a whole book written about the effects on thing has on the entire bike. (one written by Keith Code).....and ride height is one of them.
Okay, I'm done. Not really venting, but there IS a reason why you can NOT find a genuine Honda lowering link.
I feel your pain, I really do. Honda spent many years developing the bike, true that. But that doesn't stop you or anyone else to change the exhaust out, and add say a slip on for good sound or what not. That changes the A:F ratio off as well. And if Honda had it right the first time, then why does the bike run a lot smoother with my powercommander?(It is a rhetorical question, don't answer that chucklehead, just think about it for a second) You would think they would have perfected that as well. Not trying to rip on Honda, I love my bike. But thats why you have aftermarket parts for your bike or whatever you drive or ride. Your trying to improve the look or performance of the bike by any means possible. If your the type that is against any aftermarket or any mods such as lowering or what have you, than don't be a hypocrite. Take off your slip on or full exhaust and put back the quiet stocker muffler. Take off those sticky tires and put on the stock tires. Go by the book, God forbid you mess something up because you changed something that is better than the original. Just my opinion, no need to be stuck up on it.
dwhite645
10/18/2006 1:48:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: HondaCBR600RRhunk
I feel your pain, I really do. Honda spent many years developing the bike, true that. But that doesn't stop you or anyone else to change the exhaust out, and add say a slip on for good sound or what not. That changes the A:F ratio off as well. And if Honda had it right the first time, then why does the bike run a lot smoother with my powercommander?(It is a rhetorical question, don't answer that chucklehead, just think about it for a second) You would think they would have perfected that as well. Not trying to rip on Honda, I love my bike. But thats why you have aftermarket parts for your bike or whatever you drive or ride. Your trying to improve the look or performance of the bike by any means possible. If your the type that is against any aftermarket or any mods such as lowering or what have you, than don't be a hypocrite. Take off your slip on or full exhaust and put back the quiet stocker muffler. Take off those sticky tires and put on the stock tires. Go by the book, God forbid you mess something up because you changed something that is better than the original. Just my opinion, no need to be stuck up on it.
Lowering is a lot different than adding a slip on or most other easy mods. The stock can has a catalytic converter (on the new ones) and the system weighs a ton due to the fact that all manufacturers have to meet noise requirements. So they sound better and are lighter and don't always require a power commander.
Also the tires that come on the bike off the show room floor are as good as any others you can put on for street use, other than sticky compound track tires.
It's not hypocritical to add on parts that actually have a gain. Lowering has no gain and can cause instability and unsafe handling.
Blue Fox
10/18/2006 2:05:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: HondaCBR600RRhunk
I feel your pain, I really do. Honda spent many years developing the bike, true that. But that doesn't stop you or anyone else to change the exhaust out, and add say a slip on for good sound or what not. That changes the A:F ratio off as well. And if Honda had it right the first time, then why does the bike run a lot smoother with my powercommander?(It is a rhetorical question, don't answer that chucklehead, just think about it for a second) You would think they would have perfected that as well. Not trying to rip on Honda, I love my bike. But thats why you have aftermarket parts for your bike or whatever you drive or ride. Your trying to improve the look or performance of the bike by any means possible. If your the type that is against any aftermarket or any mods such as lowering or what have you, than don't be a hypocrite. Take off your slip on or full exhaust and put back the quiet stocker muffler. Take off those sticky tires and put on the stock tires. Go by the book, God forbid you mess something up because you changed something that is better than the original. Just my opinion, no need to be stuck up on it.
I don't have a slip on.....or sticky aftermarket tires.......or a lowered bike. In fact, I still have on the quiet little stock muffler, the "non-sticky" stock tires, and really, they're actually pretty sticky once you get to know them. They work great, why f*** with them? And I wouldn't really call myself a "chucklehead", more like "head-on-straight.....head" I guess. There's a huge difference between making your bike "sound" different and lowering it making it "handle" different. You of all people should realize that.
Now, I'm not out to make any enemies on this site (though, I really don't care), I'm here on a Forum for CBR enthusiasts to share information. Information from a question that was asked. When I'm asked a question, I answer with the knowledge I accumulated from asking questions myself. THUS meaning that I have a small idea of what I'm talking about, and I shared that information.
But now, I get called a "chucklehead" and accused of being "anti-aftermarket" when I share information about a mod that can potentially harm or kill someone if proper precautions aren't taken into consideration. Sorry for giving you information you didn't want to hear.
......P.S. I really do want an Akrapovic slip on, a fender eliminator, kick-ass paint job, etc. But I did spend $8500 on a bike, so I intend to use those parts from the bike I'm still paying for at least a couple months before I go off changing it all up.
HondaCBR600RRhunk
10/18/2006 10:49:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: Blue Fox
......P.S. I really do want an Akrapovic slip on, a fender eliminator, kick-ass paint job, etc. But I did spend $8500 on a bike, so I intend to use those parts from the bike I'm still paying for at least a couple months before I go off changing it all up.
And the truth comes out, finally.... That explains it, but if you could afford it, you'd be all over it. Just as I thought. You actually are a heads up guy afterall.
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