HID Installation (for older style HID kits) - Page 2

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ORIGINAL: dragonium25

No problems, they fit flush right in.  The only thing I had to change was that I had to pull the +ve and -ve connecting wires out of the rubber gasket which held the bulbs.  Here's what it looks like without the ballasts connected:

So if I wanted to remove my HIDs and put my other bulbs in, say for a track day, I can just swap them out in like 2 mins.


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Drooling over your HID setup.

Where did you order your hid set from? I had ordered my set from BlueFox's recommended ebay seller.  Do you have pictures the ballast?  And lastly, if you can take some detailed pictures of the low beam pattern from the rider's position or the sideways position of the hid lighting coverage? 

Thanks,
Soonster

Thats schweet man!!!!!! Can you not mount the ballast in the battery box area?? I might have to get me some of deez

I got mine off ebay as well, got them for $112 shipped .  If you look at Blue's pics, the ballast are exactly the same shape/size, so no chance of them going in the battery tray or anywhere in the back.    The only difference between our kits is I don't have the extra igniter piece so there's less bulky wiring.  That's the only downside of HIDs for bikes, the ballasts are big and bulky.  I'll have to mount them behind my fairings or somewhere up front.  Sorry, I won't be able to get any good pics of the beam pattern until the snow thaws (  stupid winter) since my bike's sitting in my living room right now.  Once spring comes though I can take her out and get some good shots of all my winter make-over.

On the right side, there is MORE than enough room to mount the ballasts where that tool box thingy goes. I was even thinking about cutting that tool box up and using it to mount both the ballasts onto. But, I didn't find that out until after I already made the extended harnesses and ran the wiring. There was NO WAY I was going to throw all that work fabricating those harnesses just to relocate the ballasts. It was more than enough work just to move the igniters.

Let us know what you do.

I already thought about removing my tool box and mounting the ballast there, but that would only be for the right side.  The wires won't reach to the left headlight.

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ORIGINAL: dragonium25

I already thought about removing my tool box and mounting the ballast there, but that would only be for the right side.  The wires won't reach to the left headlight.

Ahhhhh, and that's why my older style HID's with seperate igniters reign supreme once again!!!

Have you tried going to an Automotive Electrician yet? I believe they can make you extension wires. Just take the entire kit down to an automotive electrician and see if they can extend them for you. If not, it was worth a shot. If so, problem solved.

Here's a photo of the newer $119.99 HID from ebay. Waiting for the weather to be warmer for the install.
 

What's the eBay link to that kit? I would like to do some research on them.

That's what mine looks like, all the generic kits are the same now.

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ORIGINAL: dragonium25

That's what mine looks like, all the generic kits are the same now.

Did you get it from the same eBay store I did, or is it a different eBay seller?

Different eBay seller.  If you check all the sellers out there and they show pics of their kits, they'll all look the same.

Hey Blue,

That's actually a photo I have taken after receiving the HID unit. Sorry if that I might had given the impression that it's an ebay posting.  I have purchased this from that same ebayer that you had recommended.

Will try to post some pics once I get it installed/setup.

Thanks,
Soonster

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ORIGINAL: soonster

Hey Blue,

That's actually a photo I have taken after receiving the HID unit. Sorry if that I might had given the impression that it's an ebay posting.  I have purchased this from that same ebayer that you had recommended.

Will try to post some pics once I get it installed/setup.

Thanks,
Soonster

No, no, I knew that you bought it from eBay, I was just wondering which eBay seller was selling those particular units.........which you answered for me....thanks.

Seems like they shipped it to you in a box even. lol. My HID Kit came in two seperate US Postal Service envelopes with bubble-paper wrapped around all the parts. Needless to say, the shipping method was crap, but it looks like they corrected that.

here's the ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H7-AUTO-HID-XENON-CONVERSION-KIT-8000K-Free-Shipping_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36476QQitemZ130071566656QQtcZphoto

seller is: lighting623

hope this is what's needed.

Hey Bluefox, Im in the process of using your write up to wire my HID's and I was wondering did u use a 3 ft. fuel line hose on each side of the bike, and if you did...did you crosswire the lights(left headlight wired to the right side of the bike, etc)  If you have any other help you can offer just let me know, thanks


Anthony.

No, you have to make 2 harnesses, one for each headlight. DO NOT cross wire the headlights. The highbeam needs to say as the "high beam" on the right side. I actually have two of the fuel line hoses on the left side of the bike being routed through the same area. The two harnesses are parallel to each other all the way from the igniters to the rear of the bike.

Do you have igniters on your kit or are your igniters built into the ballast? If they are built-in igniters, you can't extend the wires that go from the ballast to the bulb, because they are high-temp silicone wires that aren't supposed to be cut (at least, that's what I've been told). That's the problem I see with the newer style HID kits, you are forced to mount the ballasts way up front unles someone knows WTF you can and can't do with silicone wires.

If you need anything else, let me know.

awesome write up! the lights looks amazing compared to stock... a shop would charge an arm and a leg to do that work!

well damn, I hope you are wrong because I already cut them and extended them LOL.  I'm going to go to an electrician today to find out if I can.  My headlights arent labled Low Beam/High Beam, so does it still matter if I cross wire them.  And you said you ran the wires down the same side, are you talking about both wiring harnesses on the same side(the fuel line hose)?

thanks alot for any help.

Yes, both the fuel line hoses (2 seperate hoses, containing one harness for the low beam and another hose has the harness for the high beam). Both hoses are ran behind the left side fairing. The fuel line ends right above the transmission (as seen in one of the pictures in the post), and then it's just electrical taped from there, up behind the frame, parallel to the bike's main harness, and up under the rear seat.

Your low beam is the left light (when sitting on the bike). The high beam is the right side (if you have a 600RR or 1000RR). The reason you DO NOT WANT TO CROSS WIRE is because you want your lowbeams to stay as your lowbeams. The beam pattern for the low beam and high beam are different, so keep them wired as such. Just make sure that the ballast you plugged into the lowbeam headlight socket is powering the bulb that is installed into the lowbeam headlight.

But I have no idea as to the silicone wires. My writeup is for the HID kit with a seperate igniter (which is why the harness was so easily adapted to be extended), and I have no idea how you would go about extending the silicone wires. But talking to an electrican will help. (let us know what you find out.)

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ORIGINAL: dragonium25

I already thought about removing my tool box and mounting the ballast there, but that would only be for the right side.  The wires won't reach to the left headlight.

thats what i did and i have the new ones with bulb and ballist mine was $128 shipped and i got it in like 2 days. i did like foxy and added more wire and solderd them but i did not use heat shrink becouse its to thin to handel the high volts from the ballist and it might arc over i used a good amount to duck and electical tape.

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so foxy(<--- just becouse u dont like it) u extended a total off 10 wires? did u have a good time?? hahhahaaha

Yep. 10 wires......and I loved every "hour" of it.

But I wanted the ballasts in the rear regardless. Even if I had to do it all over again with the never style HID kits without the seperate igniters, I would still want to mount the ballasts under the rear seat......I just think it looks like a cleaner, more professional install when they're hidden in the rear. (but that's my two pennies.....which all of you know what they're worth, lol.)

So, did you extend the silicone wires? Again, I have no experience with silicone wires, so I have no idea if you can just cut and solder them, or if they required something special........(like me ).

Though James, I would suggest wrapping the wires in wire loom or high-temp fuel-line or radiator hosing. That radiator will get freaking hot and melt the wires with them just laying on there. Either that, or you can zip tie them so they are routed just above (but not physically touching) the radiator.

under the rear seat hummmmm its a fine place but it just means more work. i will keep my rear seat space for the alarm and also for power commander(i dont have it eather but i will some day)

yes i did extend the silicone wires to one of them.(the left side u know it dont reach). i guess the silicone is there as a shield to prevent arcing(little lightling bolt between (+)(-) like a arc welder). what did the ballast covert the power to 320V??? i used a bit of tape to make up the thikness of the silicone.

and on the second part, i did think about puting on some of the wire loom but i was outside and i did not want to come inside to get it so i did not put any on. the wires goes accross the vent on the faring so there is not a big heat thing there so i did not put any on.

Are you sure that these are even silicone wires, I extended mine and they work fine(i have the HID's with the igniters built in)  Was it a matter of them not working once extended or burning out?  And also, I don't know too much about wiring and so forth but I took them to someone who knew about electrical stuff and they said that they never even heard of silicon wires that would be as small as onces inside.  Dunno if that makes sense but Blue-Fox, sorry to bug you again about this install, but did you run them fuel hoses with the extended wires 1 on each side of the bike or how did you do it.

Thanks again, Anthony.

The wires that go from the igniter to the bulb (or from the ballast to the bulb) are silicone wires. I know that for a fact because they say "high voltage silicone wire" on the sides of the wires.

To answer the question about the routing of the wiring, I answered that in an earlier post (5 posts up from this one on the previous page I believe.)

Thanks a million for your instructions Fox.  I choose to try try two different kits (the 6500k motorcycle version of the unit you recommended [built in ignitor]) and an automotive kit (3000k built in ignitor).  The ballasts were much bigger than I anticipated and the silicon wires from the ballast to bulb we very short.  I ended up having to piggy back them on top of each other where my tool box was.  For now, the quick set screw that holds my right faring on is helping to keep it snug in there.  Here is a (not so good) pic of the end results.  If I had to do it again, I would get a kit with the ignitor separate so that I could extend the wires.
 
Thanks again!