How come my 600rr sucks at power wheeling?

The previous two bikes I owned, a '98 F3 and a '90 Yamaha Radian yx600 (standard) would both shoot skyward in first gear under fool power. My 600rr, even with a hefty tug on the bars stays planted through first and only floats the front tire in second if I power shift it. I thought with more power then my F3 this thing would be a handful in first. I can bounced it up in first or clutch it up in second (though I can't even get it to the balance point, even with a 5000 rpm jump. (At 8000 to begin with). I used to balance my F3 up to around 100 no problem. So what gives? Is mine down on power or does the bike just not wheelie good (which sucks).

they aren't wheelie bikes but try it around 7 grand just come onto the gas in first and it will wheelie right up to the blance point I put a +3 on the back so I can do second gears starting to get thirds but they are a little harder

When you say open it at 7000, do you bounce it up or just crack it open, cause I tried that last night about about 8000 rpm, just opening her wfo and pulling hard on the bars and all I got was a little floater until red line :(. I can bounce it up around that rpm, but it kinda makes me sad, I really thought this thing would come up on her own. On a side note, I rode a friends R6 and it points the front wheel up at WOT from about 7000 grand, and does a nice progressive wheelie right to balance point with some of first left. I was able to hit second and keep her up like it was nothing.

Its because of the rear swing arm. On a track you want both wheels on the ground at all times Honda did a great job and making this posible so you can really roll the gas out of a corner. I am pretty sure that when they built the bike Wheelies where not what they intended the bike for.

if you want wheelies put a 46 sprocket on the back you can keep you're stock chain and still go fast and it will wheelie way better then that ugly R6 :-)

Ok... I can power wheelie my bike no problem. Yes, the bike is designed for race... but trust me, the front wheel will skyrocket if you do it right. I grab about 7-8k rpm pretty quick, sit back as far as i can in the seat, slam throttle shut, and bang it open pretty hard while pulling up. Make sure you dont lean over the handle bars. I've found it damn near impossible if you are leanin on the bars. Also,if you dont slam the throttle shut and crack it open, I like to just blip it every now and again. The front end doesnt POP up, but it continuously climbs upward throughout the whole power band. Bottom Line... if you cant get your 600RR to power wheelie... it's not the bike, it's all in the rythm. Once I felt the rhythm it was easy. You'll get it.. but still be careful.... if you pop it good enough you can definately loop a 1st gear pow pow power wheelie on this bike. Enjoy!

Almost forgot... as of right now my bike is still stock gearing. Yes gearing down in the front and up in the rear makes wheelies much easier. But even a stock geared 600RR will power wheelie no problem.

Im sitting at -1 +2... and power wheelies in first are kinda scary... comes up toooo fast for me... if i get on it kinda hard from 4-6 grand, then blip as explained above, it comes up way faster than if I were to clutch it... im considering learning how to clutch standing up... if heard stand ups are a lot easier to get the wheel off the ground... and rip is right... dont lean forward on it or shes gonna just sit n' spin, or take off like a drag bike. I love the top end rush on this bike :P


another reason this bike might seem harder to pow pow power wheelie is cause it makes its peak power at higher rpm's than most bikes do (I think... right guys?) anyways... just and Idea...


take it easy,

Chris

also its harder to wheelie this bike cause honda shifted more weight towards the front just to prevent the front wheel from comming up. so that way it doesnt pop up as unexpectidly or quickly when you hit it.

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also its harder to wheelie this bike cause honda shifted more weight towards the front just to prevent the front wheel from comming up. so that way it doesnt pop up as unexpectidly or quickly when you hit it.

Ya i thought the RR leans forward more than most bikes, I would imagine that would make it harder.

I must be in the minority here. I will never wheelie my bike, just don't see the point. It has to be hard on the bike. Also I am an old man I guess. Being 25 and a father I guess I just try to be as safe as I can. Pulling a wheelie at 80 MPH or more just doesn't seem safe to me. Looks damn good though, but I will stick to watching them and not doing them.

Hey, im 25 and a father too.....

Now I just need that front to come up alittle higher.....

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Hey, im 25 and a father too.....

Now I just need that front to come up alittle higher.....

Well then I guess I am just a pussy. I see no need for it. Just like I see no need to go 100 or more. Just think it isn't that smart. Just like not wearing a helmet. Oh well. I guess have fun...........

I don't consider anyone who has a personal comfort level that is different them mine a pussy. Actually I have never understood why people use the word "pussy" as a derogatory term since everyone I know who uses it that way like pussy.

Anyway, I'm 36, I have a 12 and 15 year old and cant wait to buy a 1000RR so I can wheelie easier. I also am looking for a wrecked F4i or 636 to turn into a stunt bike so I can learn some slow wheelies and stopies without the worry of crashing my "good" bikes.

To each his/her own, live and let live, excreta, excetra….

Yeah I'm lookin for an older f2 or f3 to fix up and stunt with. As far as why I like to wheelie... and why climb over 100mph... it's just a rush. Sure there's a higher level of risk associated with those... but there's a time and a place to do those things. And I figure... life is short anyway. I believe all of us with sportbikes get to scratch a little bit more off of life. We get to experience a rush and a thrill thats impossible unless you ride. I, for one, will remember these experiences the rest of my life.

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Yeah I'm lookin for an older f2 or f3 to fix up and stunt with. As far as why I like to wheelie... and why climb over 100mph... it's just a rush. Sure there's a higher level of risk associated with those... but there's a time and a place to do those things. And I figure... life is short anyway. I believe all of us with sportbikes get to scratch a little bit more off of life. We get to experience a rush and a thrill thats impossible unless you ride. I, for one, will remember these experiences the rest of my life.

I totally agree. I love to ride my bike. I have only had it about a month and I can't imagine life without it. I love to take it out and just ride. It is a great experience. Like all things in life I choose not to stunt. I don't look down on those that do. I just hope that everyone does it safely. I am a big fan of safety gear and trying to be safe as possible. I am also a (insert term here as I would normally say pussy) and there is no way I would have the balls to try it.

I hear ya Josh. Just whippin around on 2 wheels, stayin under 100mph is still a thrill of it's own. You mention you don't look down on us that choose to expereince the "other side" of what these machines can do. Just know we don't look down on you at all either. I too am a fan of gear, I can never stress it enough. Just dont be surprised... you've had the bike a month... wait till you grow more and more comfortable with the bike as time goes by and your experience as well... you may just find yourself pushing new limits

I agree with rip!!! As you grow more and more comfortable on the bike, you'll stretch out there and make new "boundries" to "not pass" for yourself! And, I am inbetween ALL of you!!! I love riding to the EDGE! But, I do it in moderation, and "SAFER" areas!!! With gear on!!! I DO ride around town without a lid, SOMETIMES. But, if I know I'm going to be on the highway, or a little wheelie action....The lid and jacket go on!

Oh, and on a side note!!! About how to wheelie these.......I'm going to start a new thread so read that!!!!

for anyone who is serious about wheelies: you NEED to learn to clutch wheelies. they are more difficult to perfect do to the amount of control you have over the power and clutch, but it is the only way to get consistent wheelies as you get better. if nothing else, search the net for clutch wheelies. i ride with a stunt riding group and know from each of them that clutching is the way to go. find someone who is experienced and take lessons. by figuring it out on your own you run a HUGE risk of downing your bike. so unless you have a stunt bike, learn from someone that knows this stuff. clutching them will allow you to do them from a dead stop, rather than 40+. i've tried both and learned that clutching takes longer, but gets easier in the long run. do yourself a favor and learn to clutch, but not on your own

i went down one in front and up three in the back.... now when i hit the throttle no matter what rpm in first.. the front is coming up. the rpms just determine how fast. i was told if you plan on doing wheelies alot (like me) then you should think about stiffining your shocks cause you dont want them to bottom out if you accidently slam down ( almost tipped over once and i let go of the throttle and man were my gonads hurtin).
when i first got my bike i set bounderies like i wouldnt wheelie endo or burnout. well i know i wont burnout cause its just too expensive.. lol. im still not doing endos.... altho i tried just once yesterday to see if i could.. but 2 months ago i did a wheelie and i havent stoped ever since. not a good thing.... i just got a 200$ ticket... and he was being nice and gave me a "military discount" he shoulda arrested me, towed my bike, taken away my liscence, and put me in jail. so im happy.

Ive never had a problem wheelying my 6rr...

Its made to sit at balance point lol... although BALANCE POINT IS ALOT FURTHER BACK than gxsrs or my cousins old f4.... it will wheelie if you know how to do it.

Try to learn over on THIS bike is my suggestion, cause ive never had a problem. Neither has my friends with 6rr's down here... In fact, I basically stunted mine... I could do clutchups in 5th and 6th... balance point in 5th easy....

GEARING

anyone else having problems shifting into second while up on the 600rr. like 1/3 it will miss second snd just rev like a mother in neutrol. has anyone found a shift kit for this bad girl. once you start wheelies its so much fun to keep them going!!!!!