Hydrogen Booster

I decided a few days back that I'd really like to wire a hydrogen booster into the bike.  I do have several questions though.  One being "Do you think that there is any chance of engine damage?", "Is it feasible to wire it into one of the 3 alternator contacts and still have the bike run normally on the remaining two?" and "How hard would it be to run a couple of moderately-gauged wires from the alternator up to the front of the bike?".   I don't know how much experience people have with this, but I'm really quite concerned with the last two.  I was planning on wiring in a switch bypass for the system so that at idle I could avoid using that electrical power so I can be sure the battery charges and to really only use the system when I'm doing highway miles or when that guy down the street with the R6 decides he wants to race.  My concern though is that  I'll only be able to get enough voltage to charge the battery at those highway speeds because I will be taking so much of the power produced by the bike.  Thoughts?  

Whaaa???
 
wire a Whaaa to the front of the bike? are you serious?

But it's wire that's coming straight out of the alternator so it's fairly small gauge.  I was simply wondering if I'd run into kinks anywhere concerning available space to run it through the bike.  

hydrogen booster ? ? ?
 
http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/?gclid=CNr_oea73osCFRAYgQoduHa6WQ
 
isn't it for improving gas milage?

Wow, I don't even know what to say. You can't be serious?
 

Do you think that the electrical requirements are going to be too high for the bike's system to handle?

I'd kind of like to know the source of the skepticism.  Are there some logistical limitations on the bike that I haven't looked at?  Does anyone have any answers regarding my initial questions?  I have a Clymer's Manual, but it doesn't really say what the output is or what the minimum voltages are to run the bike, the lights, and the ignition system (that being the minimum electrical load).

the manual has test procedures for determining if an electrical part is bad or not. just add the load numbers that you need to for each electrical component from service spec and that should give you a pretty good estimate. as far as the hydrogen boost goes, i'd have to see the site and research it a little. but my first question would be, if the kit technology is so efficient, why isn't it more well known or widely used? so with that said, what's the catch?

It's a fluke, I think I seen it on Mythbusters where they proved that it doesn't work. Why would anybody need to make a bike any more fuel efficient. Just my opinion.

Eh, just for the hell of it.  Moreover, I wanted to see if it would add any more power to the system.  As far the Mythbusters thing goes, that's not a very good source of information at all.  They try to be impartial and maintain a good experimental process, but they simply get things wrong on a lot of occasions.  I can't comment on the particular episode since I haven't seen it, but I can say that have "busted" various hypothesis that were in fact true.  It's a show produced for entertainment purposes and thus ratings, but they most definitely are not always scientifically accurate or correct.

Despite the fact that its totally ridiculous, I tried to put some thought into the question. I just dont see you bike being able to supply the 20 - 30 amps continuous for that to do any good, especially given that the stator on your bike (F1 right) didnt generate a lot of extra juice anyway. I can forsee a lot of expensive stator/regulator/and wiring repairs in exchange for questionable performance.

Thank god somebody actually had some input I can use.  It's frustrating that the stator doesn't have that much in terms of excess output (for this application anyway).  Perhaps I'll just have to settle for putting it onto my car, but just for the hell of it I still might build a small one just to see what happens exactly.  

I agree on the stator comment, there wasn't much reason to generate more than the necessary power back in the day. 
 
What about the extra work put on the engine to create that extra power?  I know race cars don't have A/C or Alternators.  Wouldn't running this thing require about enough power from the engine that the fuel and power gains wouldn't be evident?
 
let us know how it turns out.

The idea is that you are running the device with the extra power created by the alternator.  But, I don't think it would offer any benefits whatsoever to put on a larger alternator, although that would certainly be an idea if one were so inclined.  I think I might just try to run it anyway, but who knows how well it'll work out.  Oh well.

I just don't get why anybody would want to wire something to a little bike that will put a huge drain on the electrical system with the hopes of getting a small performance increase.... when you can just order a Nox system that will bolt on guaranteed horsepower for only a little more money.... I suppose it would be cool just to be the only one on your block with something like that....

The stator definately does not produce enough current(amps). It is only about 35 amps under high load and only for short bursts(read highbeams, brake lights, high rpm and horn on). AT idle figure maybe 5-15 amps. Considering your bike will be consuming at least 75% of that on a standard electrical system, that only leaves you about 2-5 amps (8.75 amps at full load).
The problem with upping the load your alternator/stator sees is that the electrical field must be stronger to produce more power. This equals to more load on the motor as the current generator will be on full all the time. Also creates extra heat which will destroy the alternator/stator over time. At my job we never run a car alternator past 115% load or damage will occur(and fast). Seeing how bike stators are built I would hazard not going over 105% without possible damage.
On heating the injectors, WHY? In racing you want everything as cool as can be, fuel, oil, intake air temperature. The only thing warm you want is the coolant and only in the 185-225 degree F range. It's proven to give more power than warm.
My 2 cents

That was a very informative post.  Thank you.  It's exactly the information I was looking for.  So, if one were to look at doing this, they would have to replace the alternator, which is a ton of money and time to put a bigger one in.  That right there speaks the feasibility of it.  I'll probably experiment with this on another engine at some point, but certainly not my bike's.

If you need more juice form your bikes stock electrical system to power let say a pair of KC daylighters on your Honda XR650R to run the Baja 500 or you own a Honda GL1200 Goldwing and you need more amps to power show or parade lights or lets say wheels of fire and your poor old stock battery/stator just does not have the umph to light your lights there is a fix for more power!
 
It's as simple as rewinding your OEM stator with a larger diameter or gage wire.
 
I have done it twice now and it does work.  Here is a link to one guy's way of rewinding a stator.
 
http://www.planetklx.com/techtips/stator.shtml

first of all, why in the hell would you want to seriouslly put a hydrogen tank on a bike to get more fuel efficiancy?  How often do you ride and how much is gas where you live?!  I'm sorry for saying this but thats just the dumbest thing I have ever heard when it comes to bikes.  Again I'm sorry for that but its truth.  think about it, adding something like that may increase fuel efficiency in thought BUT, in order to make it useful you would have to take off loads of things just to compenstae for the added weight wich will in fact make fuel comsumption go up do to the fact of the extra weight.  Sorry fam, I just think like that.

First of all, the fuel efficiency was only a small part of it.  More than anything I just wanted to experiment to see if it would work.  Secondly, I am not bolting a tank of hydrogen to the bike.  It's a system for running the electrolysis process on the bike.  The entire system would add maybe ten or twenty pounds tops.  Obviously you should read the thread and perhaps look at the information available through links and other sources before you start speaking from a "holier-than-thou" perspective and pushing your baseless opinion.

Just kidding dude, I'm not that much of an ass.  I understand where you're coming from though.  If I was doing it for fuel efficiency alone I would be an idiot.

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The idea is that you are running the device with the extra power created by the alternator.  But, I don't think it would offer any benefits whatsoever to put on a larger alternator, although that would certainly be an idea if one were so inclined.  I think I might just try to run it anyway, but who knows how well it'll work out.  Oh well.

 
The more power drawn from the alternator the harder it is to spin. Nothing is free, and nothing is extra.

Nothing is free, no, but there is definitely waste electricity that is created by any alternator system.  Once the battery is charged all that excess power created is simply dissipated as heat because there's no work that can be done with it.  The system definitely works, but it needs a much more powerful alternator for it to be efficient in any regard.

you must be the kind of guy that does stuff like that just to do it and say "i did that".  I feel you on that aspect cause I do stuff like that all the time.

Beyond that, it's also fun to do mods that no one or almost no one else has done.  I watched a video of the Daytona Bike Rally and it looked like a bike on there actually had a Hydrogen Booster on it.  It had 2 seperate tanks and it had an LCD screen with what looked like "H2O" readings on it.  So I don't know if it would actually be a one-of-a-kind project, but unique either way.