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So you're going to trust to luck like your 'lucky in Vegas' huh?

Foolishness.

And the insurance costs for the rest of us will go up when they scrap your brains off a fire hydrant.

Why don't you put your CBR in storage and buy another bike to practice on.

Your arrogant ignorance is the most fatal road hazard you have to deal with right now. And your ego won't let you admit that you made a mistake.

"Careful as possible?" Hah, Careful as possible would include picking the correct bike for your skillset.
"If it's too much for me I'll trade down." Assuming you survived the road incident that taught you that it was too much for you. That's kinda like Polish-Mine-Sweeper tactics isn't it? (walking around the minefield with your fingers in your ears, stomping on the ground to detect mines?)

I haven't insulted you at all, son. You just don't want to hear the truth.

Given your choice of first bike, it's clear that you have a serious problem taking advice from others. I guaran-damn-tee your MSF instructor didn't recommend a liter bike to you. Ask some serious advice from some serious moto instructors and they will NEVER recommend bikes over 100hp to a first-timer.

But you've probably already been told that, so, go ahead and be a Darwin Award Candidate.

There's a stat I read that said liter bikes have a 50% crash rate in the first two weeks of ownership. That tells me that these bikes are attracting a lot of foolishness, and it's up to us literbike owners to mitigate that. So folks, give safe advice, and watch your insurance rates go down.

You asked for advice, pal. "Put the bike away." is my advice. I've survived 12,000 miles without a scratch. Let's see if you can.

OK TexasArmadillo,

At age 47, you have a lot of pinned up frustration...Mommy didn't hold you enough when you were younger?

There are actually newbies on this board who started out on a CBR 1000; so your definite prediction of a mishap has already been proven FALSE. It is your arrogance that has made you hell-bent on practically WISHING that something goes wrong. But I thank you for your time on this thread. You have said your "peace", now move on Dad...go home and be sure not to overly react with the little one like this,...he/she is only 6 and may grow up to be as frustrated as you.

The next time you want to add a little philosophy to the end of your post, take the advice yourself. Are we getting to know ourselves a little more now,...Master? You are funny...but seriously...move on, I get bored easily.

Insurance premiums don't lie... And they aren't frustrated (or whatever it is that you're projecting onto me.)

Rotz a Ruck

Have you even taken a test-ride at the dealer? (Will they even let you?)

Taking a test-ride will tell you all you need to know about "My main concern is how sensitive is the throttle?"

Evan,
I just cannot believe this thread. You asked for commentary. Armadillo gave it. Now your feelings are hurt because he did noet reinforce your idiocy.

You are effin' STUPID for getting a liter bike as a first ride. Unbelievably effin' stupid. Mind boggling stupid. Park the thing when you get it. You don't even know enough to know that you are ignorant.

Why do I care? Because you are likely to be the guy travelling in the opposite direction of me who goes wide on that tight blind curve because he came into the turn too hot and did not have the skills to control his ride. Effin' MORONS like you endanger ALL of us.

Less than 1% of all riders have the skill to utilize the performance capabilities of a liter bike. Who the hell are you? Why do you think you are one of the chosen. Hell, you can't even ride yet and you think it wise to saddle a beast like that.

You will scare the living $@%& outta yourself with the thing. Being scared on a bike is no fun. Plus it is dangerous, not only to you but to others. You WILL be scared. Very scared. You got off a Buell Blast. Now you are ready for a literbike. Dude, where is your head?

gahboo

"Effin"...is that the best you can do?

Many people have responded on this thread, but TexasArmadillo came in and tried to be sarcastic. Read zzz11's post, he really laid into me about why I should not have gotten a CBR1000. And I accepted and respected his opinion. No arguement there was there?... because he gave an opinion out of concern. I already said that I welcome pos and neg feedback. But there is a dfifference between sharing your opinion and trying be a wise arse.

And now we have you, who came in here to defend someone and then did the very same thing that he did...tried to be sacrcastic without even an ounce of "constructive" criticism. I can only imagine that TexasArmadillo got his 6 year old (that be you) to come in here and take up for him. Nice try, Gahboo. Now GAH-BYE.

Ignore him Gahboo,

He's a troll that should have registered as: Dead_man_walkin



So where's your test-ride report Evan?

You are really demonstrating how out of touch you are for all here to see. If you really believe what you say, then quit defending yourself. That is a sign of insecurity.

You are a very stupid person.

I thought my comment about your putting me at risk as a result of your stupidity was relevant and constructive. I am not primarily concerned about your safety, because to each his own. If you insist on jumping into the meat grinder, I am not here to stop you. But I damn well have a right to call foul when you risk pulling me in after you.

As Armadillo said. You just do not want to be told certain things. And, I am not emotionally going off on you here by calling you stupid and such. That word is carefully chosen because it does accurately reflect your attitudes, as exhibited in this thread. You have also chided what you call "arrogance" in several posts. You, my stupid friend, are the arrogant one. At least in my own personal world, I think about the well being of others as I make my (intelligent) decisions. You have not risen to that level of responsibility yet, or you would realize your own stupidity.

It is not meant as an insult. Just a descriptive adjective. Your decision IS stupid. You made the decision, so you are a stupid person. That is why I used the word.

For the record, effin' was selected in an attempt to underscore the magnitude of your stupidity.

So go ahead and make fun of my name, or Armadillo's family, or whatever else your stupid self wants. Bottom line: You put ME at risk by getting a literbike as your first ride. That is ultimately arrogant. It pisses me off. Stay off the road. Go to the track. Go piss your pants in fear as you ride the literbike in your own little personal drame. But just don't kill ME while yu are doing it.

...and don't cost me more insurance premiums because you've made yourself another statistic.

The funny thing is that out of all the people who came in and shared (both Pos and Neg), you are the only two arguing over...your own opinion. This Father and Son moment must be special for you both.

Gaboo, your only two posts on this entire board are filled with "flames" for no apparent reason,...and I'm the troll? Who's out of touch?
What intelligent decision making went on here with your "endless" bashing over me having a CBR1000?

TexasArmidillo, grow up, give Gahboo a bottle and you both take a nap.

Do either of you two even own a CBR1000? Cuz that's who I was looking for feedback from on this CBR forum. If you even bothered to read the earlier posts, there was never a problem until you two decided to come in here with LAME sarcasm. At age 47, Texy, you should be ashamed. Gah-boo,...at only 2 post and flaming the way you are...you should be ashamed. But that's cool...I understand that frustrated people need to vent, hiding on boards, to make themselves feel better. So vent away boys, you have already gotten too much of my attention. That will now be reserved for my CBR1000!!!

TO ANY MODERATOR, please lock...I have already gotten the worthwhile feedback from CBR owners. Time to RIDE. THX.

Bung nugget, I never felt the need to post until I saw your stupid question...

No, I do not own a CBR. I don't think you should either...

Oh, by the way, I bet you can't resist responding.......

Your stupidity is gaining notoriety over at www.f650.com as well.

What you interpret as two guys unjustifiably flaming you is really just the two individuals from the motorcycle community at large who spoke up. Believe me, me and Armadillo are not the only ones who think you are stupid.

You asked your stupid question in a CBR forum... And you expected unbiased commentary. Of course many here think you are OK on a literbike because they own them too. Duh??

By the way, I bet you bought a Joe Rocket jacket with that bike. Just curious, but I bet you did...

well hey im gona put my 2 cents in. i bought an 01 cbr f4i for my first bike im 21 years old all my prior experince was on dirt bikes the biggest being a 250. people told me the f4i was to much bike for me but how i stand on the 600 is that if you cant control your self enogh to stay off the throtal then you shouldnt have a bike at all. although i have never even come close to pining the throtal on it becuase the bike has much more power then ill ever use and for the life of me i cant figure out why any one would need more then 600 cc. i think it was a bad idea to purchase 1000 cc as i find 600 to be to much for me but i just dont use what i dont need. good luck with your bike and be safe most of all

Dirt bike experience is nothing to sneeze at my friend. Gravel on the street is something that still puckers me and that's why I'm signed up for an offroad class to help with mastering sub-optimal road surface conditions. The F4i was something that various salesmen and MSF trainer/coaches suggested to me was just a bit past an MSF graduate with no prior experience and I was pointed to three models as representative (SV650, Ninja250, BMWF650CS) of being at the risk boundary for me. I chose the BMW. Given that you have dirt bike experience on top of the MSF, I'd think it safe to extrapolate that the F4i is in your skillset. Congrats on a good ride.

BTW, I just finished forwarding this thread to several MSF rider/coaches who were interested in displaying, for their future students, an "Extreme example of what NOT to buy after they graduate from the BRC."

They are quite amused.




NOTE: This thread is now being monitored for educational purposes.

yah i think the msf is a must i want to go threw all the courses they offer cuase they offer them at the local collage i attend . my coach was a local police officer and he raced bikes to he said he still didnt know every thing about riding bikes after 30 years of riding and how many years of racing. i read about how these guys do over 100 mph makes me winc

The thing is that some people have a real harsh way of giving their opinion, and some people try to be more civilized. At the end, you have to realize that ALL the people are trying to give you their opinions because they care at least a little. What else do you think anyone would gain from telling you not to buy a bike? Because they're jelous? Doubt it.

I've also noticed that as great of a site this is, though there are quite a few veteran riders, there are also a LOT of newer riders. On most other sportbike forums with more veteran riders MOST people would be flaming big time on a post like this.

I personally prefer to give advice on a more civil level, because when you're being real harsh to someone you lose the whole idea that you're their friend and that you're trying to help them. It becomes more of a war.

Just a few things to think about :

1) Search the internet (and usenet). Why do you think that MOST veteran riders/instructors insist that 600cc+ is a very bad choice as a first bike? There's got to be some reason for that. I would much rather trust tons of consistent experienced responses over the response of a few in a forum.

2) Remember that when you ask in a forum like this how people did with a litre bike as their first bike, you're only getting reponses from a few people that were forunate enough to make it. You will rarely hear from the many people that didn't make it. I really wish more people would post about their "incidents" as new riders on big bikes, but I would guess most are embarassed to.

3) Check this thread out over from the cbr600f4i section : http://www.cbrforum.com/m_124205/tm.htm
I'm sure this person knows all the basics on how to ride, will answer perfectly what he should have done given his situation, was positive that he'd be real careful and respect the power of a big sport bike. The problem is that he got into a panic situation that involved an unexpected event. Lack of experience + a big bike caused the accident. I'm glad he's OK, but this would never have happened on a smaller bike.
This is on a 600cc bike! You don't need to be anywhere near 11k rpms to do this on a litre bike... Anyways, just an example of the MANY things that can get you into serious trouble on a larger bike, EVEN if you plan/promise to be safe and respect the bike.

A lot of people say that you'll be fine as long as you take it easy and respect the bike. I say it has some to do with that, but the MAIN argument against getting a bigger bike isn't what you plan on doing with it, it's the unplanned or unexpected things that will cause you to hurt yourself.

Just some things to thinkg about.

g'luck.

drivingon9.

And a reminder from the Rules of the CBRF:

2. While debating and discussion is fine, respect your fellow enthusiasts. Being of a diverse background, members are likely to express different opinions, and while opinions may differ from yours, they are just that, opinions; and everyone is entitled to express theirs freely. We will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, or personal attacks. Do not flame, bother, bug, disrespect, hound or taunt ANYONE on the forums or through private messaging or chat room. If we feel a thread is getting out of hand we will close or delete it. You can/will lose your posting privileges if you continue this type of behavior.

zzz11 i dont thing that has any thing to do with the size of the bike im still unsure of what happend in that situation but from my understanding he was in a turn and he shifted into first that acted as an engine break you should NOT BRAKE in turns that could have happend to a 250 nija and as a mater of fact i saw it happen to a 250 at my msf even. and i think people fail to see that even experince riders make mistakes i plan on making alot. but at the same time how could he be respecting the power of that bike at 11k i havent even hit 8 on mine. i belive u can get in just as much trouble with a 250 as a 600 i just belive u should use a little more cuation with the 600. i think people fail to relize that weather you die at 80 miles an hour or 110 your still dead . im not trying to start a fight just give my opion

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ORIGINAL: 95camaro01f4i

zzz11 i dont thing that has any thing to do with the size of the bike im still unsure of what happend in that situation but from my understanding he was in a turn and he shifted into first that acted as an engine break you should NOT BRAKE in turns that could have happend to a 250 nija and as a mater of fact i saw it happen to a 250 at my msf even. and i think people fail to see that even experince riders make mistakes i plan on making alot. but at the same time how could he be respecting the power of that bike at 11k i havent even hit 8 on mine. i belive u can get in just as much trouble with a 250 as a 600 i just belive u should use a little more cuation with the 600. i think people fail to relize that weather you die at 80 miles an hour or 110 your still dead . im not trying to start a fight just give my opion

huh????? did you read the post at all?? The content has all the details, but it's even titled "Just flipped the bike" for crying out loud.

Hey zzz11,

Like I said, you came in here and gave a very harsh critique of my decision,...and that was cool becasue I understood that you were expressing your view based on your experience etc. But when someone comes in here to "bash" as opposed just giving their opinion, then that is a different matter. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. But I'll just keep receiving feedback from folk who contribute and ignoring those who want to "bash." But, anyway,...I did listen to your advice and thanks for your input.

I'm certainly not going to add any real additional value to this tread. Okay, here is my sorry attempt.

First off, I've come to the conclusion that the OP is not asking for any advise/comments/suggestions that doesn't bode well with his/her twisted, mangled thought process that logically concludes that a liter machine is an excellent first machine. Might as well be the last, right?

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Any advice, word of caution...definitely welcomed.

And then proceed to flame and offer rebuttal to every single poster on this thread.

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Instead of placing odds in Vegas, why not take your 2 cents and invest heavily in a mutual fund so that you can send your 6 year old to "manners" school to have more class than you. Orphan or no orhan, your "sense of sarcasm" as a role model is lame.

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At age 47, you have a lot of pinned up frustration...Mommy didn't hold you enough when you were younger?

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And now we have you, who came in here to defend someone and then did the very same thing that he did...tried to be sacrcastic without even an ounce of "constructive" criticism. I can only imagine that TexasArmadillo got his 6 year old (that be you) to come in here and take up for him. Nice try, Gahboo. Now GAH-BYE.

In a word, it's affirmation. That's what you’re seeking. You refuse to acknowledge that there are more seasoned riders on this forum that are offering some pearls of wisdom, that you so carelessly discard. Some of other readers are MSF RiderCoaches! You invite the possibility of receiving said feedback, but if it doesn’t fit the party-line, it’s out?

This topic conjures up a lot of emotion for several reasons. First, it contributes to higher insurance premiums for riders with policies; you’re likely to dump machine within the first few weeks of ownership. Secondly, I feel that many riders believe your “cheating” the system. Earn your stripes; you’re not entitled to them. What’s more, is that isn’t the first time we’ve read/seen this story. It’s old hat.

Trade the bike, get something smaller. Or park the bike. Get a smaller machine and learn the basics FIRST. You’re safety should be paramount, not your ego. However, vanity is a motivator, I suppose. That might’ve translated into another liter unit sold, right?

Rookies and liter machines just make great track bikes for experienced riders.

Get some saddle time in a machine that's more forgiving than a cutting-edge, uber-sensitive machine like a 1000RR. I have less than 20,000 miles of saddle time on machines that are 600cc and smaller and don't envision myself on a liter machine for a few years. What's the rush to get the toe-tag?

Do whatever you want. It’s your decision! Please respect others’ opinions, esp. considering that you invited other members of the forum to participate in the feedback process! Keep the rubber side down and the shiny side up! Good luck.

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ORIGINAL: zzz11

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ORIGINAL: 95camaro01f4i

zzz11 i dont thing that has any thing to do with the size of the bike im still unsure of what happend in that situation but from my understanding he was in a turn and he shifted into first that acted as an engine break you should NOT BRAKE in turns that could have happend to a 250 nija and as a mater of fact i saw it happen to a 250 at my msf even. and i think people fail to see that even experince riders make mistakes i plan on making alot. but at the same time how could he be respecting the power of that bike at 11k i havent even hit 8 on mine. i belive u can get in just as much trouble with a 250 as a 600 i just belive u should use a little more cuation with the 600. i think people fail to relize that weather you die at 80 miles an hour or 110 your still dead . im not trying to start a fight just give my opion

huh????? did you read the post at all?? The content has all the details, but it's even titled "Just flipped the bike" for crying out loud.

really was he going in a strait away or in a turn? the rider him self says it was unclear to him what happend. the only info he gave was that he down shifted from 11 grand after missing 2nd gear. the only real detail in the thread is the parts he needs replaced at best. listen i down really want to argue about this

mikem317

Your selection of quotes is as bad as someone with selected memory to justify their view. Nice Try. The bottom line is that I replied to only two people in that manner, the same two people who came in here and tried to "bash" or present sarcasm instead of give advice, opinion etc on the CBR1000. Why don't you "quote" the sarcasm that warranted the response and then you will have credible input in commenting on mine. ANYONE READING THE ENTIRE thread can see that I responded to these two "flamers" who don't even have a CBR1000 to give advice on how it handles, etc. There were others as well who disagreed like zzz11 and I appreciate his input. No arguement there.

Your advice is well taken, however, I will have to go with the bike I chose....if it is too much, I'll trade down. Do you own a CBR1000? Can you give any advice as to how the CBR1000 handles? That is what my ORIGINAL POST was about, advice from the CBR1000 community as to...the "CBR1000."

Hey OrganDonor,

Read his friggin post! He already told you he doesn't have a liter bike!

Talkin 'bout "selective memory" are we?

Not everyone on this forum is gonna blow sunshine up your ass to make that bad decision of yours feel better.

Be a man. Suck it up, swallow your pride, and trade that bike in for something more survivable.

(And I take it by your silence that you haven't even taken a test-ride of the bike before you bought it? What's the matter, couldn't find a dealer who would let you? Couldn't find a friend to lend you his? DO YOU THINK THERE MIGHT BE A RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T? HMMM?) Try flaming THEM, and see if that get's you a test-ride, fool!