In the lime light**Again***

Some fotage...
Part One
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=1362188&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Part 2
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=1375282&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1

good find... having fun riding is one thing but having fun riding at other people's life is just WRONG... some people just take this for granted....

i couldnt even sit through that shit.. i always hate hearing cagers talk about how us motorcyclists scare them.. ive been more scared of the driving by old ppl and ppl on cell phones more then the actions of my fellow bikers ! and yes those are some beautiful roads i can see why they would want to ride them! if the cagers want to enjoy it so much get the **** outta your car and stand on the side of the road and let us through..now there is a big difference between riding and just acting squidish. alot of the ppl you see in the mountain passes crossin double yellows into blind corners @ 80mph are usually the new kids who just the got and want to show off. whenever me and my friends go out we always have car pass us and then slow down in front of us so we all *safely* pass that car and get a good lead on it there are some really crazy ass ppl in cars and sometimes it is that family in the mini van takking a nice sunday drive that you have to watch out most for . just my opinion

OMG... How many time is that wussy reporter going to keep saying SPORTBIKES? How about the yuppies on the "hardlys" that blast your eardrums out of your skull with there sorry excuse of a muffler. I was just up there and at least 90% of the cruisers had exhaust that was twice as loud as a sportbikes. This report is so biased it makes me sick. Cagers are scared of us? Blue hairs are 100 times more dangerous than motorcyclists.

Havoc - you need to realize something, 13 people dead, and over 300 accidents in ONE YEAR. That's cause for concern my friend. You feel they should get out of their car and let you through? They're not talking about responsible riders, which if you had listened, they said more than once. They are speaking about the a$$holes who put others in danger every single day there.

And Matt, yes, it's a bit one-sided, but it's not biased. They mention over and over that there are many that want to enjoy the roads on a motorcycle safely, and even comment, "the majority of the bikes are riding responsibly." They even interviewed the Two Wheels Only shop and didn't make them look like idiots.

There is a problem in that area. If I was the sheriff, I would approve overtime for 2 officers per shift to enforce spped and safety violations in the area. Crack down hard for a good year or so and it will slow people down. Not just tickets either, jail time mandatory for any violation deemed unsafe.

I get bothered by cagers too, but guess what? They weren't responsible for over 300 accidents and 13 deaths last year in Georgia. How you guys can somehow reason those statistics is beyond me. Thinking you own the road or the only way to enjoy a stretch of road is to do it on a motorcycle is slightly beyond arrogant. Maybe if you guys were the ones doing the death notification to the surviving family members you might see it another way. Make one death notification in your life and we'll see how you feel then.

You guys need a reality check.

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ORIGINAL: KidCr3nshaw

Havoc - you need to realize something, 13 people dead, and over 300 accidents in ONE YEAR. That's cause for concern my friend. You feel they should get out of their car and let you through? They're not talking about responsible riders, which if you had listened, they said more than once. They are speaking about the a$$holes who put others in danger every single day there.

And Matt, yes, it's a bit one-sided, but it's not biased. They mention over and over that there are many that want to enjoy the roads on a motorcycle safely, and even comment, "the majority of the bikes are riding responsibly." They even interviewed the Two Wheels Only shop and didn't make them look like idiots.

There is a problem in that area. If I was the sheriff, I would approve overtime for 2 officers per shift to enforce spped and safety violations in the area. Crack down hard for a good year or so and it will slow people down. Not just tickets either, jail time mandatory for any violation deemed unsafe.

I get bothered by cagers too, but guess what? They weren't responsible for over 300 accidents and 13 deaths last year in Georgia. How you guys can somehow reason those statistics is beyond me. Thinking you own the road or the only way to enjoy a stretch of road is to do it on a motorcycle is slightly beyond arrogant. Maybe if you guys were the ones doing the death notification to the surviving family members you might see it another way. Make one death notification in your life and we'll see how you feel then.

You guys need a reality check.

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Very, very well written reply Kid...that's exactly what I wanted to express...thanks!

To correct the above, not that it makes it much better, but those stats was from Jan 05 to present.

i dont know... not gunna comment

How many of those deaths were caused by soccer moms on phones or old people slamming there brakes on to look at the pretty scenery. I was up there three weeks ago and let me tell you, the CAGERS were by far more dangerous to motorcyclists than anything else. You say that they didn't have anything to do with those bike accidents? I find that very hard to comprehend. Those deaths and crash reports... How many were cruisers? Mental mistakes? How many were not the motorcyclists fault? All the news channel did was search for accidents "involving motorcyclels".

Yes... I know, there are the "squids" and complete idiots, like the guys doing 96mph and that guy on the zx-10 going 153mph, but reports like this do nothing but cause a VERY negative reputation for sportbike riders.

This type of stereo-typing makes the image of motorcycles go downhill. Example, when I think of Harley riders I think of leather, chrome, old guy, bandana, confederete flag, etc. Now the public hears "sportbike", they think idiot, dangerous, 100mph, wheelies, GOD HELP ME!!! etc... The majority of riders are NOT like this. They're just your everyday guy/gal having a good safe time, and every once and a while, give the right grip a little twist.

The idea about posting more LEOs won't help the situation, it will probably make things worse. That one lady who had the bikes crash into her because the law thought they could catch a vehicle capable of going three times the speed limit was insane. That was the riders AND the officers fault. Pursuing sportbikes in an area like that just to give them a speeding ticket and or tell them, it's time to go to jail, is lunacy.

There's always going to be idiots in the world so from where I see it, the speeding through those mountains will persist as will the errors cagers make. We're humans and we aren't perfect. End of story.

agreed....

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ORIGINAL: cbr_newbie

agreed....

thanks

yea... most people say i drive crazy but i've only wrecked once and thats because a cage pulled out infront of me! as for those bikers pulling into blind corners and stuff.. thats just stupid and wreckless... being crazy and know what your doing is different from being stupid and wreckless... just my two cents

okay i feel that if your really gunna push yourself it should be at a track. but wtf ever...these videos got me more mad at the reports than the riders..i honeslty wanted to punch that pussy in his face. im sure ppl in sports car were going fast too. cause i kno my brother would drive those rodes fast just like i would on my bike...i dont think that one bike was going 153...the road didnt look long enuf. and i love how they find a busa for the speed show off..

It's not about pointing fingers here - you have still failed to realize the issue at hand. There is a problem here, and I think it's more than safe to say that sportbikes are at the front of it - no one ever said it was all the sportbikers fault.

There is also more than one way to skin a cat. When conducting traffic enforcement (i.e. speed traps), you don't put a pig on a stretch of road and say, "go get 'em." You place them in coordinated positions so that one checks speed, and another, in a safe area, makes the stop. You guys have got to realize there is more to enforcement than what you see on tv - liability is an issue. And yes, you are correct about the pursuit of a motorcycle by a much slower vehicle being a bad mix - and this time it cost them. The fact of the matter is every state has a pursuit policy and neither you nor I know their previous policy, but I'll bet it has been refined and amended.

Enforcement is not a perfect science, but that can't translate into free reign for those too fast to apprehend using conventional methods. Law enforcement has come a long way since Andy Griffith...

You're kidding yourself if you think sportbike riders are getting an unfair dent in their reputation here. By your own admittance you give that throttle a little unnecessary twist, "every now and again." I am guilty of it as well, but I am also ready to accept the fact that if I am involved in an accident or someone is hurt because of my carelessness, I'm not going to bitch and moan about getting and unfair rap. You've got to weigh to consequences to be responsible. I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again - this is the aura that has surrounded motorcycles since their inception - you only complain now because you think your fancy plastic fairings should be thought of as seperate from the chromed-out cruisers... well they are...

THE SPORTBIKES HAVE THE BAD RAP NOW! It's migrated from the cruisers to the sportbikers - why? Because your average person knows if they want a fast bike - they get a metric bike. If they want to cruise, they get a cruiser. Just the way it is. Where would the appeal be if there wasn't this stigmata surrounding the very bikes you all here have grown to love - the sportbike. The very construction of the two different bikes suggest speed and relaxation. One is built to have your feet kicked up, and the other puts you immediately in the position of someone who is preparing for liftoff - and you don't think the general public neither sees this nor creates an idea in their mind. It's the same reason every kid on every corner gives you the wheelie sign as your buzz by, or why they are even captivated in the first place. Tell me that feeling when those kids are looking at you doesn't humble you and I'll call you a liar. In one instance, you welcome your reputation, in another, when it's ill-fitting, you reject it on the grounds of "stereo-typing." You want your cake and you want to eat the hell out of it too.

Bottom line is, it wouldn't be "riding" of there wasn't this, "off-center perception" of what it is to ride a sportbike. There has been this essence around motorcycles since the begining, and it wouldn't have it's appeal if that wasn't the case.

Not only did they find a busa for the speedo shot.........a HEAVILY modded TURBO Busa at that. 200mph my ass. I would say that yes, a small minority ruin it for everyone.......that is how it has always been and will always be. It makes me a little sick to not hear anything good about the sportbikes....I know there were plenty there that went by that camera slow.....but they never showed that, only Harleys or Goldwings. That part kinda pisses me off. Oh well, what do you do? Tell people to go to a track and do that shit, but they usually wont listen.

Got to agree, 90 mph over double yellows ??? got to admit thats pretty stupid, can't be blaming the soccer moms and the blue hairs for being in there way, every bodys got the right to be on the road, but you should'nt have to be with guy's riding waaay over the speed limit on a somewhat crowded weekend hwy, I like my fun to but theres a time and a place for it, and that busy stretch of road aint it, that there is plain irresponsible riding, very very stupid

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ORIGINAL: KidCr3nshaw

It's not about pointing fingers here - you have still failed to realize the issue at hand. There is a problem here, and I think it's more than safe to say that sportbikes are at the front of it - no one ever said it was all the sportbikers fault.

There is also more than one way to skin a cat. When conducting traffic enforcement (i.e. speed traps), you don't put a pig on a stretch of road and say, "go get 'em." You place them in coordinated positions so that one checks speed, and another, in a safe area, makes the stop. You guys have got to realize there is more to enforcement than what you see on tv - liability is an issue. And yes, you are correct about the pursuit of a motorcycle by a much slower vehicle being a bad mix - and this time it cost them. The fact of the matter is every state has a pursuit policy and neither you nor I know their previous policy, but I'll bet it has been refined and amended.

Enforcement is not a perfect science, but that can't translate into free reign for those too fast to apprehend using conventional methods. Law enforcement has come a long way since Andy Griffith...

You're kidding yourself if you think sportbike riders are getting an unfair dent in their reputation here. By your own admittance you give that throttle a little unnecessary twist, "every now and again." I am guilty of it as well, but I am also ready to accept the fact that if I am involved in an accident or someone is hurt because of my carelessness, I'm not going to bitch and moan about getting and unfair rap. You've got to weigh to consequences to be responsible. I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again - this is the aura that has surrounded motorcycles since their inception - you only complain now because you think your fancy plastic fairings should be thought of as seperate from the chromed-out cruisers... well they are...

THE SPORTBIKES HAVE THE BAD RAP NOW! It's migrated from the cruisers to the sportbikers - why? Because your average person knows if they want a fast bike - they get a metric bike. If they want to cruise, they get a cruiser. Just the way it is. Where would the appeal be if there wasn't this stigmata surrounding the very bikes you all here have grown to love - the sportbike. The very construction of the two different bikes suggest speed and relaxation. One is built to have your feet kicked up, and the other puts you immediately in the position of someone who is preparing for liftoff - and you don't think the general public neither sees this nor creates an idea in their mind. It's the same reason every kid on every corner gives you the wheelie sign as your buzz by, or why they are even captivated in the first place. Tell me that feeling when those kids are looking at you doesn't humble you and I'll call you a liar. In one instance, you welcome your reputation, in another, when it's ill-fitting, you reject it on the grounds of "stereo-typing." You want your cake and you want to eat the hell out of it too.

Bottom line is, it wouldn't be "riding" of there wasn't this, "off-center perception" of what it is to ride a sportbike. There has been this essence around motorcycles since the begining, and it wouldn't have it's appeal if that wasn't the case.

I agree... +1

I think we have to all be in agreement that there are some stupid A-holes doing stupid things on bikes to make us all look bad. If you are wondering who those idiots are, it may be you. For the most part, I would say 95% of the guys I talk to are safety oriented. There are certain places you can cut loose and other places where you take it easy. These guys that are pushing the limits during busy weekends are morons, and I hate to say it, maybe deserve what they get. The worst part is when they involve others. We also know cagers to be very efficient at terminating our lives, but that is not the topic at hand. They are not causing the accidents on this stretch of road...it's the small percentage of sport riders. We have to police ourselves if we want the stigma to go away...probably like asking for world peace (good idea but will never happen).

i wanna go there, looks like fun roads

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ORIGINAL: milko

Some fotage...
Part One
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=1362188&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Part 2
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=1375282&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1

awesome post!!!-as for all the replies-wow

This report is so biased it makes me sick. Cagers are scared of us?
i agree with that

There is a problem in that area
i agree with that

I know there were plenty there that went by that camera slow.....but they never showed that, only Harleys or Goldwings. That part kinda pisses me off. Oh well, what do you do? Tell people to go to a track and do that shit, but they usually wont listen.
i agree with that

with me-i feel,due to increased numbers of sportbikes on the roads,local race tracks need to open up more,so people can let
there sh&t rip there-rather then on a public roads/highways!!!-also got the impression there blaming the wrecks on
inexperienced riders-hummmmm,guess what if rossi's low side incident happened in that area-he would more than
likely be dead!!-as no run-off areas-just would low side into a tree!!!!
if you want twisties-why go to areas like on the vid,there are plenty of cars to dodge in city traffic-my point
is-take it to a race track!!!!!

o8

The thing that annoyed me was in the second part at the end when the guy in the center said we are just being selfish and so on. I was thinking that he has never been on a vagina let alone a motorcycle. Who is he to do anything but keep his mouth shut? I don't know, I'm probably just displacing negative sentiments onto him.

His being on a vagina has what, exactly, to do with the topic?

It's an immature approach to the entire topic that's going to perpetuate the idea that we are all chilidish, selfish, speedfreaks without due regard for our fellow man. Just remember, when you're on your bike, or in your gear - you're no different than a cop or EMS in uniform...

You are representing more than yourself by what you say and what you do in earshot of others. All it takes is someone who's never been around a rider to walk by you and hear, "stupid cager pulled out in front of me when I was trying to pass a blue-hair," and their mind is made up about bikers.

Fair? Probably not.

The way the world is? Yep (and we know it too so there's no excuse). We've got to represent bikers a little cleaner and better. If some of you are in groups of riders and a couple of them are acting stupid - explain to them that those actions are exactly why the public hates them (since they can't seem to figure it out), and if that doesn't work, hang a right and be done with them. Eventually they'll have no one to ride with and maybe they'll think twice.

It's not a popular approach because everyone likes to watch those videos of dudes tearing up the streets, me included, but it's all relative to our public image.

Also, someone said "they" should open up tracks and the like. Who is, "they?" You know who opens up tracks? Concerned riders with a goal in mind. It's not the city's responsibility to make you a playground. Get active. Find out about how to host/promote a stunt show in your city - talk with the city council, look into permits and they're requirements/costs, talk to other promoters and pick their brain for ideas on how to get some support - I'm sure they'd be happy to help. You give people an outlet, and you're going to cut down on the crap they try and pull in the crowded streets.

The problem is, it's not just a matter of a couple of phone calls - it takes work. That's where most people draw the line. They talk a lot of $hit but when push comes to shove they're all hot air...

You got what it takes? Or are you a bull$hitter taking another hit off the pipe talking about,"what the world needs to do?"

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ORIGINAL: KidCr3nshaw

His being on a vagina has what, exactly, to do with the topic?

It's an immature approach to the entire topic

Thus, the semi-retraction at the end of my statement. For review:"I'm probably just displacing negative sentiments onto him." I'm with you, my man. We are ALL responsible for the way others perceive us.

Sorry, I get a little vocal when people start making the, "we should...," "there should be a...," type comments. That stuff worked in middle school, but we're all capable adults.

When I was 16 I got into trouble for tagging walls of abandoned buildings. As a result, the lot of us that were caught ended up sitting in on some city council sessions at the advice of the local cops who nabbed us and enjoyed our work. They explained to us that we can't go around spraying stuff, but if we got together and got organized we might be able to sway the city to work together with us to create a skatepark where we could freely tag as long as it was tasteful.

One year later we had two skateparks in that city, paid for by the city. This was a handful of 16-17 year olds. Your city councilmen are more than happy to entertain you as long as you present yourself as an adult with clear viewpoints.

I'm spending this winter collecting information and finding sponsors for a stunt weekend I'm hoping to put on next summer in my city. We've never had anything like that here, but with the population at 90K+, there are plenty of bikes to show, minds to cater to and kids to have fun. It's going to be a blast - but I'm going to couple it with awareness on BOTH parts - cagers and riders.

It should turn out to be a very fun weekend and hopefully I can get some momentum going. Anyone feeling like they are being singled-out should take some initiative and see if you can't make something happen.

Wish me luck.

Everyone is different. I for one loved the sound of the sport bikes screaming through the mountains. I go to the roads they are talking about a couple times a year. US 129 is one they were talking about. I rent a cabin and enjoy relaxing on the deck and listening to a bike scream by every now and then. The roads they are talking about are far away from were people shop and live. They only reason you should be on the dragon is to see bikes. STFU!!!!!

Now for the North Georgia area... I don't know, but TN has a good thing going. Yes, they usually do have a wreck or two a day, but like they said, inexperienced riders are the biggest fault. I've seen more cruisers and dresser wreck than sportbikes.

There are many roads you can find that have curves to carve, but leave the ones like the dragon to us... there are no turn offs or side roads to deal with.

Sorry for the rant... I just hated how they started out in the first one with the peaceful birds chirping and the sounds of bambi running through the woods ... then acted like we are killing everything with the sounds of our bikes screaming by. How about a truck (18 wheeler, semi...etc) running by at the posted speed limit which is way to fast for that much weight and they have their jake break set for all cylinders.... so all you hear is BLAHHH, BLAHHH, BLAHHH as they go by? Not to mention how much damage they are doing to the roads by being over weighted... how about them.... can we start a witch hunt for them?