liter bike vs 600

Hey...
In Iraq I promised myself I would buy a rice rocket as soon as I got home. Listeing to other people who said I needed to start with a smaller bike, I bought a new 2004F4i. Since buying it, i put yoshi pipes on it and dropped a tooth off the front sprocket. Even with mods, I feel I have outgrown the bike and I am thinking of upgrading to a liter bike (CBR or R1) next summer. On the flip side I have heard that the CBR600 RR and R6 are faster off the line than liter liter bikes and better handling. Can I have some advice on what I should buy?

I just sold my 600 f4i 2002. How I have a 1000rr 05 Repsol. The 600 rr may be fast but as the old saying goes no replacement for displacement. A very big step from a 600 to a liter bike. Now that I have a 1000cc bike would not be able to go back to 600. The only way a 600 would be even conpareable to a 1000 is with major mods. I have learned the hard way. My 1000 new pulled harder at 5000 RPMs then my 600 with pipe,power commander(remapped & a true 105 HP at the rear wheel) and gearing at 10,000 RPMs. I have rode bikes since 12 years old. The liter bikes are unreal! Hope I have helped a little. Would go with the CBR 1000 if you buy one!

hay go to page 2 600rr vs 1000rr and read by the way thanks for all that you do for our country

WHEN I GOT HOME FROM AFGANISTAN I BOUGHT A 02 CBR 600F4I. I ALSO QUICKLY OUTGREW IT. I UPGRADED TO AN 04 CBR 1000RR AND THERE IS NO REAL COMPARISION. THE LITER BIKE IS WAY BETTER IN EVERY WAY. MY 600 DID FEEL QUICKER OFF THE LINE, BUT I CAN GET OVER THAT. I LOVE GOING FAST AND THE LITTER BIKE IS THE WAY TO GO. THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY WHEN THE 600 IS ALL IN IT THE LITTER BIKE HAS NOT YET SHIFTED INTO SIXTH GEAR.

Wow.. You guys must all be very uber to "outgrow" a 600 SS bike so fast.

I guess you have a point if you mean you want to go faster in a straight line, but who can't do that?

Next time, as soon as you feel you've "outgrown" your 600SS, take it to the track and realize how much you actually suck. In fact, take your new litre bikes there now and watch all the more experienced 600's lap you.

Sorry, but it always cracks me up when I hear people "outgrowing" a supersport bike.

Z.

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Next time, as soon as you feel you've "outgrown" your 600SS, take it to the track and realize how much you actually suck. In fact, take your new litre bikes there now and watch all the more experienced 600's lap you.

Sorry, but it always cracks me up when I hear people "outgrowing" a supersport bike.

LOL..ya im with u on that one, i had a 900 b4 my F4i and i have WAYYY more fun one the f4i, ...i love getting in the back twisty with guys with liter bikes and spank them ..ohh how good it feels ..

oh...grrr!!! okay i will say it, why is it that 600 riders are so confident that the can beat 1krr riders in the twisties....back in the day yeah, i'd agree, but honestly with the 600rr and the 1krr, its all about rider skill....the 600rr isn't much smaller than the 1krr, and has less low end torque (you know the stuff you need coming out of the apex); I have yet to be dusted by a smaller bike in the twisties.....must be a napolean bike complex or something...:)

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ORIGINAL: AZ1000rr

oh...grrr!!! okay i will say it, why is it that 600 riders are so confident that the can beat 1krr riders in the twisties....back in the day yeah, i'd agree, but honestly with the 600rr and the 1krr, its all about rider skill....the 600rr isn't much smaller than the 1krr, and has less low end torque (you know the stuff you need coming out of the apex); I have yet to be dusted by a smaller bike in the twisties.....must be a napolean bike complex or something...:)

Read my post again...
You'll note that I never mentioned, or implied that a 600 BIKE is faster than a 1000. I don't believe that to be the case. I was directing everything toward the rider.

The point I was making was about people who buy 600's as their first bike and claim that they've "outgrown" it after a few months or a season. They think because they can point the handle bars straight and crank the throttle, they've mastered the bike.

I'll guarantee you that if these same people took their "outgrown" 600's to the track they will realize just how much they suck.

Like you said.. "it's all about the rider skill". A good 600 rider will beat most 1000 riders who think they're good.

Z.

75% of 1000 riders ..are steight line riders it's *look at me i have a 1000 so im faster then you* it is rider skill ....the bike doesnt do it for you, when u can push a 600 to its maximum limit ...then ur ready for a 1000

ok gentleman.
i think we all agree on one thing that the 600 is no sloutch and it is a well refined bike if it wasnt then people wouldnt buy them. i no i had one nothing to laugh about very fast and yes the low end tourqe is not their but it wasnt built to be their it was built to scream at 15,500 rpm and that it does very well. at any where above 11,000 you had better hang on. if i am not mistaken magell i hope that is spelled wright laped daytone at 1 second slower on the 600 then he did on the 1000 and out ran all but the 2 top riders in the field. now after saying that i have had both as stated many times on this forum. the 1000 will eat the 600 in straight line power that is evedent i mean a 600 is 110 hp at the rear wheel the 1000 is 175 aat the rear wheel do the math so if you go through a corner faster the 1000 will smoke you after the corner. these bikes arent made for the amature to take any where and try to be the kentucky kid those guys can ride that is why they can take a 1000 and smoke a 600. at my level i will be the first to admit i will not contest a well skilled 600 rider with my 1000 but on the other hand dont make it sound like the 1000 sucks when in the back of any ones mind that has riden the 600 for a while that they dont dream of having a 1000 just to find out how good it can be

i have nothing against 1000's i love the 1000RR ..my buddy has one i rip it all the time, what blow me away is how ppl think they need a 1000 to be fast

Oh ya ...very well put Hobbs51

like that f41,

ALL OF YOU SUCK BUY A RC51!!!
"JUST PLAYIN". The whole reason for owning my fouth 600 is I don't think I need anything bigger. It's definitly nice to take wifey out w/ a 929. Soft seats, nice riding positon, and good pwer. Probably better for me and worst for her on a 1KRR. The power on a 1KRR is sick, not just total but the deliverly too. Insurance sucks and sometimes w/ the self control of child I might be temped to see how fast it will go.

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dont make it sound like the 1000 sucks when in the back of any ones mind that has riden the 600 for a while that they dont dream of having a 1000 just to find out how good it can be

That sounds funny. LOL.

600 bikes are a little more forgiving that liter bikes. i guess when i can get to the point to where iam want more power, or can ride with more power I will get one.

Honestly guys, think about this carefully, if 600's were the be all end all for racing, there wouldn't be seperate classes, and the superbike class wouldn't be the top rung on the ladder. I used to race years ago, and in all honesty, many local tracks are not big enough, or banked enough to really race the litre class. The major tracks, however are, and I doubt you'll find very many 600 class riders wanting to go head to head with the liter bikes. For some reason people see to be under the impression that litre bikes don't handle, really you couldn't be more wrong. Straightline bikes would be in the Hayabusa/ZX14 class, and both would probably dust any thing we own in straightline performance, but these bikes are long and top heavy and are not engineered for handling. The true litre superbikes are the 1krr, ZX10r, and the GSXR. I didn't include the yamaha, cuz they don't race the R1. Honda, just like its competition, spends a ton of money engineering the 1krr for the track. The bike is truly made for curves, not straightlines. That being said, on the street, there are very few riders that can run a 600rr or a 1krr to its limit. Road conditions simply don't allow it. This is more detrimental to the 600 than the 1krr, remember you said it yourself, you bike only runs well above 11,000 rpm. My 1krr runs from bottom to top. That means when we both enter a 35 mph curve, you have to keep your rpms up, while i can back off a bit, and blast it through the apex. I will say that the 600 is more flickable, but that doesn't mean the 1krr isn't right on its ass in that category, set the two bikes side by side, look at the sizes, weights, and geometry...then look at the performance numbers and you will see that the main dif between the two bikes is more power, both in torque and hp over a much larger powerband.....

Dont get me wrong, the 600rr is a blast to ride, and when we go through the twisties, the guys i ride with are all neck and neck, neither bike really outperforms the other, but what does not occur is the 600 blowing away the 1krr, unless the 1krr rider doesn't know how to ride, or doesn't have the nerve, it will never happen. I just get tired of hearing that the 600rr, not to mention the f4s and f3s out there really believe that they can just eat a 1krr's lunch in the twisty's. You are truly mistaken.

az1000rr are you even reading any of this? If you are, then the 'ol reading comprehension is lacking.
No one's arguing about the ability of the bikes given equal riders.... well.. I'm not going to repeat what's already been said, so I'm done.

z.

Actually you are both right. The 600 is not better than the 1000, and I doubt many people here have "outgrown" the 600. It comes down to rider ability and I think that is what everyone is saying. AZ is tired of people saying a 600 will eat a 1000 through the twisties, and I see his point. And like pitbull said, there are many out there who claim to need a 1000 because the 600 isn't enough, which is also BS as most can't ride a 600 to its ability and think they are special for twisting the throttle while riding in a straight line. Like I said, I think there is just a miscommunication among posters here, and I agree with pretty much everything that was said.

I will say this though, I have had a couple 600's before I got my 900RR and 1000RR and I find the bigger bike easier to ride on the street. Why? Because of torque difference. The extra push and the power throughout the rev range simply makes it easier to get out of trouble on the street. I didn't buy a 1000 because I felt the 600 was too weak, I bought a 1000 because I find it more confidence inspiring and during street riding it is just more practical IMHO. I am no track star and never will be, but on the street I can push my bike fairly hard, and I find the extra torque helps correct the occasional mistake I make while committed in a turn. With the 1000 I can concentrate more on lean angle, tire feedback, weight distribution, etc. and less on where I am at in the power curve.

Just my thoughts.

This thread makes me laugh. Hayden and Mladdin both admit that the 1000s scare the piss out of them so the idea that us mere mortals "outgrow" a 600 is laughable. Having said that I'll admit that I prefer the 1000 over the 600. It's like fastbike for dummies You have enough torque available that it doesn't matter if you short shift by accident. On a 600 shift points need to be more precise in order to avoid lugging the engine. And handling wise you guys have pretty much hit it on the nose -- it's all in the rider. There's just not enough weight difference between the 600s and 1000's to say the 600 will rule the twisties.

The 600's are more fuel efficient and cost less to insure. They're also less expensive to buy than a 1000. And I honestly believe it takes more skill to ride a 600 fast (and I mean hauling ass fast) than it does to ride a 1000 fast.

Last thing ... I promise Being that I ride a 1kRR (used to be a Busa but it's the same basic song) peeps think that if they stay with me or pass me that they beat my bike. Honestly, a guy at work who rides a Hardly actually thought that his bike compared power wise with my old busa. Truth is I ride because I like to ride. Occasionally I ride very hard and very fast. But I don't race everyone and everywhere. So if you're riding a Ninja 250 and you pass me it ain't because you got more skills or because you got a faster bike -- it's only because I didn't care and was just enjoying being on 2 wheels. And for the record ... I spanked that dudes Hardly (in front of a lot of peeps) for running his mouth ...

In my personal opinion, I believe 600 is more than enough. At first, I owned a 600 F4i, and I thought i have "outgrown" it too. Later, after selling that bike, I ended up buying the '03 gixxer, and it was modded to have 180 hp. But I didn't have the skills and enough experience to use all that power, and ended up selling it. I had to learn the hard way by losing a lot of money, and realize how much of a moron I have been. I had a very lucky occasion, and I bought an '05 600RR for a really good deal. I now ride this bike and I believe it has more than enough power for me and I still have a lot to learn.

In the end, all I want to say is, buy the bike that is right for you, but don't expect that you are the "man" just because you have a litre bike and you can beat any 600s out there, whether it is a straight line or a twistie, because it is "YOU" that will make the difference. If you were to race Valentino Rossi, or Nicky hayden, and they had a smaller displacement bike, you may be able to beat them in a straight line, but you can never expect to beat them in track. Of course, that's what they are paid to do, but I am sure you get my point.

Hope you know what is best for you, and good luck finding it, and also ride safe~!

Why do people find it necesarry to talk smack about people they don't know. Who cares what someone rides, who cares how good they are, if they are riding they must be doing becasue they enjoy it. If a person thinks they out-grew a bike, maybe they have in their opinion. SO zzz11 tell me if you're such a good rider why are you wasting your time in forums and not racing pro? SHUT UP AND RIDE!!!!!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: PERT1905

Why do people find it necesarry to talk smack about people they don't know. Who cares what someone rides, who cares how good they are, if they are riding they must be doing becasue they enjoy it. If a person thinks they out-grew a bike, maybe they have in their opinion. SO zzz11 tell me if you're such a good rider why are you wasting your time in forums and not racing pro? SHUT UP AND RIDE!!!!!!!!!

lol.. you sound..... "experienced".. let me guess.. you can go really fast in a straight line, also?

you also sound like you probably had too much sugar tonight.. maybe you should stand in the corner for time out, and let the parents get back on the computer for a while.

z.

Chain I bet shutting up the mouth in person felt good....I sure wish some of our mouths were close enough to actually go for a ride....it is truly amazing how many people really think they are pro riders. I really wish people would show a little respect. I really like the 600rr, but much like you, its simply to much work to ride it fast, and almost as much work to ride it slow. There are a lot of 600's that run out here at firebird raceway, its a small track and needless to say, was never intended for litre bikes, hell they race carts on it too. There are some guys that are so hell bent on beating the litre bikes, that they carry way to much speed into the corner have to break to adjust their line, just to have me blast by them again from apex to exit...i've run into guys from the track out on the street, and they really do believe in their bikes and their abilities, but there is a difference between confidence and cockyness....and my entire point was simple, for once I'd really like to see the 600 riders stop talking smack about how they can dust a 1krr. If they can ride and have had the opportunity (like most 1krr riders have) to ride both bikes, they'd understand what I and other 1krr riders are trying (in a nice way) to say. I guess I could make the point that more clearly...wake up...there is no place that a 600 can beat a 1krr with equal rider skill...there I said, and I really don't wish to offend, but just tired of seeing the same old line...which is better, if the 600's were the best...i doubt seriously that honda (nor any other manufacturer) would spend so much of their racing budget on R&D and racing the series. Truth be told, it is possible with enough practice to ride the 600 to its potential, I really don't see that on the 1krr, it is almost too much bike when pushed to its limits...

zzz, I guess it's easier for you to be a smart ass, then it is for you to answer a simple quesiton. I'm just curious why you feel the need to put people down. Having read some of your other posts it seems like that's your thing, go into a thread and tell people they're stupid and can't ride. You must be one of those people that avoids waving to fellow riders on the street, and have the thought "I can ride better than you". The truth is most people will never get the experience of riding on a track and maybe they don't want to, maybe riding here and there on the weekends is good enough. Don't be upset if you're getting beat in a straight line, you'll apparently catch up in the corners. Oh, and if you're "smart" enough to try and put your knee down on the street you probably won't be around much longer to keep up the exciting insults. Ride Safe

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ORIGINAL: AZ1000rr
<snip> there is no place that a 600 can beat a 1krr with equal rider skill...there I said, and I really don't wish to offend, but just tired of seeing the same old line.. <snip>

az1000 - again, you're not saying anything new. We all (as far as I know) agree with you. If you look at the previous posts in this thread, you'll see the exact same thing mentioned. Given equal riders, there's no contest. We agree :)

But that's not really what this thread is about.

z.

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ORIGINAL: PERT1905
...<nonsense snipped>...

Jeez.. Don't know why I'm going to waste my time with you, but here goes...

Your first comment here was :

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ORIGINAL: PERT1905
Why do people find it necesarry to talk smack about people they don't know.

Then you go right into "talk[ing] smack" about me. Excuse me.. Do I know you?

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ORIGINAL: PERT1905
I'm just curious why you feel the need to put people down.

You seem to be trying to do the same thing in 2 out of your 3 total posts on this board. Hmm..

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ORIGINAL: PERT1905
You must be one of those people that avoids waving to fellow riders on the street

LOL.. To quote yourself "Why do people find it necesarry to talk smack about people they don't know." Ummm.. Do I know you?

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ORIGINAL: PERT1905
Oh, and if you're "smart" enough to try and put your knee down on the street you probably won't be around much longer to keep up the exciting insults.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions, all of which are incorrect (translation, you're making yourself look like an ass).

Listen, kid. You must be new to the internet.
The way it works is that people come to public forums and post stuff. The main purpose of this transaction is to expose their post to thousands of other people. Some people will agree and chime in, and other will disagree and chime in.

Now, take a look at what's going on here.
A couple of people are making it publicly known that, as new riders, they've outgrown their 600cc SS bikes in one season or less. Me, along with others, claim that this is ridiculous, so we respond. I'm sure you "sort of" understand how it works, because even though you don't like it, you disagreed with some of our comments and you also responded. *gasp*!!! See how that works?

Let me summarize my point here, incase you still don't get it...
No, I'm not a "pro racer" as you claim. I've just been riding sporbikes long enough (just over 10 years) to know that there's no way that a newbie can "outgrow" a 600ss in a season. I've stated my arguments fairly clearly.
All you've done is whine and cry like a child. If you want to participate in the discussion, then do it intelligently. Don't chime in with your crying/whining/name-calling.

Hope you understand how it all works now. G'luck with the rest of the internet.

Z.