roderickdj
3/31/2008 10:25:35 PM
Has anyone heard of or have any kind of remote start and alarm on their bike? or know if a viper remote start and alarm system could be hooked up to a bike or not?
Vermino
3/31/2008 10:48:29 PM
scorpio alarm system... but i suggest not "remote start" on a bike. This is because someone could of put the bike into first gear while you were away from the bike and if you pres that "button" even on accident, it will start the bike and it will probbly hop and knock itself off it's kick-stand.. I'm just giving you a heads-up... (scorpio alarm system is pretty much plug'n'play)
roderickdj
3/31/2008 11:09:44 PM
alright thanks for your help man
sweetdeal
4/1/2008 4:47:57 AM
I can tell you everything you want to know
the basics...
you can make a car remstart work just fine, you have plenty of safe guards in place to make it work. for example. on my 06 1000rr the bike won't start in gear if the kickstand is down, second, vipers for example can hook up a neutral saefty switch which won't let you start unless your in neutral. amoung other options you can hook up as well.
The hard part...
1.You will need to get a wire diagram, from a service manual i have one from an HRC manual i can send you but i have not looked to see if it has what i need.
2.You will need to figure out a cranking time, or try to see if we can make it work off the tach. bikes crank a little harder and longer than cars do when they are cold.
3.I have been researching this a little myself i install remote starters for circuit city and have plenty of access to the info needed.
4.Things we need to find out amps running to the ECU from the battery.
5. If you want an alarm system you will need some different sensors, like a tilt sensor, but that will have to be adjusted to work on an angle instead of a flat.
6. Plenty of experimenting might be needed and one thing to keep in mind is electricity can be alot like a woman "you do everything right and it still insn't satisfied" and may have some weird issues.
7. I have no idea it any of this will throw a check engine light, Like in may European cars, it manages to throw codes. but we can always compare data from a motorcycle system to a car system. they are all basically doing the same thing.
oh yeah i almost forgot, we need to make room for all this wiring someplace and brain modules. Because these arent small
roderickdj
4/1/2008 9:44:31 AM
Would u suggest just using a scorpion or gorilla alarm system instead?
sweetdeal
4/1/2008 10:40:01 AM
depends on $$ first thing to check is what voltage is used for the bike's starter, a viper remote start will need 12volt to start, i know the new GSXR run 6v. starters, so it wouldn't work for a remote start. but the alarm worked fine. using a shock sensor and tilt sensor.
roderickdj
4/1/2008 1:01:48 PM
is it possible to install a 12v starter on a bike? would it work properly?
sweetdeal
4/1/2008 2:11:19 PM
well if the ignition wire is 12v than it is easy, but the GSXRs run a 6v ignition wire
roderickdj
4/2/2008 12:04:09 AM
Can you change the ignition wire also to make it 12v too or would all of this drain the battery too much to make it all work?
sweetdeal
4/2/2008 4:59:35 AM
trying to change over your starter system wouldn't be worth it, you might as well just find a motorcycle starter.
But if your system is 12v than your fine. I will take a look at mine later today after i get out of work and report back on what i find out.
Changing everythign to 12v is easy, your batter is 12v already, but it may drop down to 6v before it goes to the ignition module then to the ,starter motor which would be 6v volt, you would need a 12 volt starter motor, and remove the relay and any resistors that step the power to 6v, unless it needs 6v to the ecu then there is nothing you can do. But to do all that work takes some talent not many people posses, and again it wouldn't be worth the time and energy and parts, when you could probably find a starter system out there.
I need to get my meter on my bike to know all the connections that will be needed to be used. my service manual doesn't list power settings. And also i don't know if this is going to throw a check engine light? You should find out how to reset a check engine light for me

i know on teh GSXR we tried it on we just disconnected the battery and uninstalling everything.
sweetdeal
4/2/2008 4:24:46 PM
I checked my bike today and the ignition switch is 12v, so i think i am going to try and make a car starter/alarm work maybe sometime this week
Vermino
4/2/2008 4:51:47 PM
see, im skipping the alarm startup (i still have the scorpio alarm) but going to install a fingerprint start-up ignition system, which will WORK great with the perimeter sensor on the scorpio alarm.... still in development mode tho (trying to get it all down on paper and make sure it will work.. im not the best electrican)
but sweetdeal is right, you could get fail-safes on the start up.. but it's alot of headache it seems to me. especially with a car alarm system (which the module is usually bigger and harder to hide on a bike..)
sweetdeal
4/3/2008 8:16:43 AM
the brain module for the starter/alarm system on the Viper is only slightly larger than a PCIII, i can find plenty of room for it. The bike actually has plenty of starting fail safes, that will be utilized (i.e. kickstand switch, neutral safety)