Would the cops have behaved differently if my buddy had been white? - Page 2

hahhaa i don't want to vote, but will give a response:

I would say (in favor for the cop), that the cop might have had a bad day before that, and your friend was just the unlucky one to recieve the burden, but (in favor of your friend), there are racist cops out there, just as there are non-racist police officers out there... humans are fallible.

Being in the Law Enforcement field myself & Black, its hard to say... I hope the cops were just doing their job correctly. If a person is pulled over & acts humble I usually am more forgiving than if they have a attitude, I act accordingly... If it took them a while to get him pulled over, they may have assumed he was trying to get away from them, which would probablly give them a attitude. Here in the DC, MD & VA area, there are alot of bikes that run, so its a issue around here. I do think race is a factor alot of times, which you think in 2008 we'd be beyond that. I hope your buddy slows down & hope he doesn't have to experience something like that again.

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well hows this for a rebuttle...if your buddy didn't speed like a douchebag, then there'd be no problems. If your buddy did MURDER someone by driving like a douche bag, ( driving way fast and running into some one) then what's the problem..besides the death and carnage. Point is, drive like a douche, get treated like a douche. Profit in preventing murder?? I think they got it by handing out speeding tickets, and keeping donkeys who think they can ride like there Makoto Tamada off the streets. I don't understand ( change of topic btw) how there's no ticket or whatever for open booze container..like, so you can have an open beer in your car, cop says have atter, but if you drive fast, get caught..go to jail ( whatever) everyone seems to have a hissy fit?? Im not trying to start a spam hate on war, just sayin.

If you don't want to look like a douchebag, you should probably learn to read, and you should definitely screen your thoughts before you post them.  Had you read my whole post rather than just scrolling past all the dialogue because a thought popped into your head and you didn't want to lose it before it was published on the forum, you would have noticed that I described what he did as something that I and lots of people do all the time (and when there's no traffic, I don't see a problem with it), and, when pulled over, we are all treated better than him. The cop couldn't have been chasing him long, because he lives less than a mile from the intersection where he got pulled over.

Now let's think about what you're trying to argue. We were talking about preventing murder (profit = $0) and "preventing" accidental death on the highway (profit = $$$$$), so that's where they spend their time.  That's all I was saying, and if I could explain it more clearly for you, I would.

And now, to your open container comment - i remember saying that you can't be arrested for driving with an open container, not that you can't get a ticket for drinking and driving.

   Ok not for all to harp on me but I'm a cop and if I see some totally disregard for others safety and there own (Especially Bikers) I have to give them some grief. I Would Not take them to jail though, but thats Wa. Law. I believe your buddy got what was coming but was over extended the laws power of imprisonment.

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Randon thought.... If your buddy was white, the cop was black would you still be asking the same quesion, or are you just stereotyping cops?

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If you don't want to look like a douchebag, you should probably learn to read, and you should definitely screen your thoughts before you post them.  Had you read my whole post rather than just scrolling past all the dialogue because a thought popped into your head and you didn't want to lose it before it was published on the forum, you would have noticed that I described what he did as something that I and lots of people do all the time (and when there's no traffic, I don't see a problem with it), and, when pulled over, we are all treated better than him. The cop couldn't have been chasing him long, because he lives less than a mile from the intersection where he got pulled over.

Now let's think about what you're trying to argue. We were talking about preventing murder (profit = $0) and "preventing" accidental death on the highway (profit = $$$$$), so that's where they spend their time.  That's all I was saying, and if I could explain it more clearly for you, I would.

And now, to your open container comment - i remember saying that you can't be arrested for driving with an open container, not that you can't get a ticket for drinking and driving.

 
 
He lives less than a mile away from where he got pulled over and he was going somewhere between 90 and 115. He deserves to get into some trouble.  But thats just my 2 cents

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And correct me if I'm wrong but even at 20 over the speed limit, its consedered reckless driving and punishment up to jail time or suspension of license.

that is what you said, right?

I also have to disagree with you on the function of a police officer.  what do they do to protect people?

They arrest people like your friend.

so speeding, and you get in an accident causing death is accidental then?? And going to guns-r-us, getting a whatever..mac 10, shot gun, .45..and having it on you so when some one pisses u off, you shoot them, is NOT preventable?? I don't get that logic at all. Don't speed, don't have a gun, don't drink and drive. I did read your post, and Im not sounding like a douchebag, so calm down.

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If you don't want to look like a douchebag, you should probably learn to read, and you should definitely screen your thoughts before you post them.  Had you read my whole post rather than just scrolling past all the dialogue because a thought popped into your head and you didn't want to lose it before it was published on the forum, you would have noticed that I described what he did as something that I and lots of people do all the time (and when there's no traffic, I don't see a problem with it), and, when pulled over, we are all treated better than him. The cop couldn't have been chasing him long, because he lives less than a mile from the intersection where he got pulled over.

 
first, i would like to say that your friend probably got what he had coming to him. speeding at 100 mph in the city is just plain stupidity. not only are you risking your own life, but the lives of everyone else on the road. if he, or anyone for that matter, can't take responsibe actions and obide by the law with any type of machine that can kill at any speed, then they need punished. He was probably driving AT LEAST twice the posted limit, maybe more...i don't know TX speed laws, but i would be that would probably be grounds for wreckless op and arrest.
 
now for my response to some of your posts. you claim that you and lots of other people speed that fast all the time. i disagree. yes, people do speed on the roads, but being a betting man, i would GUARANTEE you that they don't do it at twice the limit or faster. you also claim that there is should be no problem about speeding if there is no traffic around? so by your remark, it would be safe to assume that it's perfectly fine to rob someone when they are home? you are ignorant...it's still speeding, it's still stealing...YOU ARE STILL BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!! if you break the law there are consequences. here, i think you need to heed your own advice you posted above and think about what you are going to say before you open your mouth. you ramble on about things and make so many assumptions about everyone. your thoughts are one-sided. You also claim that in TX you can't be arrested for speeding alone, but you can be arrested for improper lane change (at the cops discretion). Your friend was speeding and MADE AN IMPROPER LANE CHANGE(was cited...as you said earlier). "At the cops discretion" means he doesn't have to arrest him, but if the cop deems it dangerous enough, he will. The speeds your friend was traveling would make me believe the cop deemed it dangerous enough, as would i. I would have arrested him too.
 
And how does murder even get brought up with this? He was speeding, so how could you even compare what he did to murder? you claim law enforcement spends too much time aith traffic violations and not enough time "protecting" society, and that if they spent as much time "protecting" people like they are"supposed" to, then people wouldn't be getting murdered? Here again you are ignorant. It is IMPOSSIBLE to predict something like that. This is year 2007, not Minority Report. If we had THAT kind of technology, then yes it WOULD be possible to predict crimes of that nature. The only way to stop murder would be to assign an officer to each person (like a body guard). That is not possible, as there is nowhere near enough officers to assign to each person. Nobody can predict the future and be somewhere where something like that will occur. It's just not possible.
 
It doesn't matter if your friend was black, white, mexican, blue, yellow or even pink. He was driving very dangerously in town, like that even matters, and he deserved what he got. Have i ever been pulled over for speeding? sure, but the few times i have, it was for maybe 10 over...if that. Had i been speeding as much as your friend, i would have expected the same treatment. In my opini

Edit: I didn't see WAlly28's post before I posted mine.  He addressed the two issues better than I did.
 

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If you don't want to look like a douchebag, you should probably learn to read, and you should definitely screen your thoughts before you post them.  Had you read my whole post rather than just scrolling past all the dialogue because a thought popped into your head and you didn't want to lose it before it was published on the forum, you would have noticed that I described what he did as something that I and lots of people do all the time (and when there's no traffic, I don't see a problem with it), and, when pulled over, we are all treated better than him. The cop couldn't have been chasing him long, because he lives less than a mile from the intersection where he got pulled over.

Now let's think about what you're trying to argue. We were talking about preventing murder (profit = $0) and "preventing" accidental death on the highway (profit = $$$$$), so that's where they spend their time.  That's all I was saying, and if I could explain it more clearly for you, I would.

And now, to your open container comment - i remember saying that you can't be arrested for driving with an open container, not that you can't get a ticket for drinking and driving.

So you feel it's constantly ok for you and other people to ride recklessly on public roads as long as you just  "don't see any traffic"?   Did I interpret your statement correctly?    If so, I couldn't disagree with you more.  Ride safely all the time since who knows what non-visible issue can pop up at any instant, from any angle, and lead to  the so-called "freak accident", as we refer to it all to often. 

Public roads are an environment which law enforcement has a better "measure of control" over.  They therefore can better control certain activities which are precursers to what we want to prevent.   I think we know what.   Now just how are we supposed to better prevent, say, a murders culminating from domestic dsputes (I believe you alluded to something like this in another post)?   Should we have  anti-domestic dispute days and be forced to let law enforcement into our homes on these days to check things out?    I don't know if that's the best example.  But what I'm trying to say is that of course there are no easy answers for what law enforcement can/should do to better prevent every very unfortunate occurrance.   But at least on pulic roads we do have a better measure of control, for the general public, to at least cut down on certain activities which we know could lead to disaster. 

i would say your buddy was profiled all right.  not because of his skin,  but the type of bike he was riding. 

i had never been pulled over on a motorcycle the years i have been riding,  until i got my 600rr.  when i was dual sporting it up,  0 problems.
then i get a sportbike and i get pulled over twice,  just to see if i had a motorcycle license.  and another time when i got a ticket for passing on a double yellow (totally my fault).  but the way cops treated me while pulled over was horrible.  i was treated better by the cops who detaned me for under age drinking.  this is why im gonna stop riding sportbikes on the street.  ill stick to my yami dual sport for the commuting from now on.  the cops dont even look my way,  even with the loud 450 engine roaring.  they just say f-it,  its a dirtbike lol.

Cops for the most part suck - the nature of their work breeds synicism.  So, you take the combination of a half-wit and put him in a uniform with the power of authority, allow him to view the world through his synical nature and you get the cop that treats all people the same - with contempt and disrespect.  Take a smarter individual and he/she can see through all the bullsh*t and doesn't thrive on such a power trip.  Unfortunately, I live in a town/county full of ignorant/power hungry cops - I hate 'em.  I work in the city and run with the cops their all the time - a totally different breed.  My town - I get pulled over and jacked with for being on a sportbike - drive into the city and never even given a second look.  I work for the Fire Dept. in the city and run with the city cops every day and ask them about the smaller city/county cops.  They just laugh.  I'm not bashing all cops - just the dimwits that ruin the profession.

The only good pig is the one in line at dunkin donuts....  Bad pig no donut....

good call - just like teachers, if we had more intelligent cops, we might be better off.  the problem is, if they are that smart, they don't become cops and teachers - they would rather make money... i'll be a teacher one day, when I can afford it.

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good call - just like teachers, if we had more intelligent cops, we might be better off.  the problem is, if they are that smart, they don't become cops and teachers - they would rather make money... i'll be a teacher one day, when I can afford it.

Some are willing to sacrifice material goods to benefit society... and protect those of us who deserve protecting. I'd give my life to protect a cop no matter if he's a dick or a great person because it figures that at some point he has taken someone off the street who would have broken into my home and stolen my property or hurt myself or my fiance.

a few are good, selfless people, but as is the case with all walks of life and professions, there are a few good men, and a whole lot of self-serving assholes.  thats like saying all senators and representatives are there to make laws to protect us and make life better.  anybody who is that naive deserves what they get for believing that shit.  one thing i hate about forums is that almost everybody is either too stupid or too scared of what everybody thinks about them to think for themselves.  i've known more people who have gotten seriously hurt or killed riding within the speed limit than racing or being "wreckless", as you guys like to call it.  and yeah, there are a few overconfident morons that ride beyond their limits and the limits and end up in the back of a semi or over a cliff, but that's just natural selection at work.  instead of bitching and complaining about how we are risking our lives, if you are so confident that we are making the roads dangerous and are going to get ourselves killed, you should shut up and let us do it, and make the roads safer for the bedwetters who would rather be rear-ended or run off the road while driving the speed limit.

Maybe maybe not, but going that fast can get any cop going. Hope your buddy is cool and  taking it easy now.

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a few are good, selfless people, but as is the case with all walks of life and professions, there are a few good men, and a whole lot of self-serving assholes.  thats like saying all senators and representatives are there to make laws to protect us and make life better.  anybody who is that naive deserves what they get for believing that shit.  one thing i hate about forums is that almost everybody is either too stupid or too scared of what everybody thinks about them to think for themselves.  i've known more people who have gotten seriously hurt or killed riding within the speed limit than racing or being "wreckless", as you guys like to call it.  and yeah, there are a few overconfident morons that ride beyond their limits and the limits and end up in the back of a semi or over a cliff, but that's just natural selection at work.  instead of bitching and complaining about how we are risking our lives, if you are so confident that we are making the roads dangerous and are going to get ourselves killed, you should shut up and let us do it, and make the roads safer for the bedwetters who would rather be rear-ended or run off the road while driving the speed limit.

You can justify your decisions however you like.... the fact of the matter remains... driving the SL is safer for both stopping distance and reaction time... being aware 100% of the time of others is safer... a good rider never lets their guard down.... a good rider leaves escape routes all the time... and they are still at risk. Risk is something we accept but do not take for granted by increasing our exposure to life threatening events that are caused by speed and recklessness... I see no justification for your friend's actions and he got what the law says he deserved... I have seen what bikes can do to a minivan at speeds such as those your friend described and they are not pretty for both the occupants of the vehicle and the rider...

i don't think it was racist.  your friend got caught, so he gets what he deserves, even though it sucks.   and where does it say that cops have to be "nice"?

ii think da cop was just being a deuche...some are really harsh n can be homo @ times...weve all been thru it iim sure. as far as racist ii doubt any1 can make that assumption being we werent there...its jus unlucky pretty much

Yea i think he could have been a bit nicer but if my wife is driving through town minding her own business and a bikes comes through a 35 mph zone and she has to swerve because of the biker and then hits another vehicle.. i believe if the biker isnt already dead.. i would help him out... ya know.. its a big deal driving 95 mph though the city and it shouldn't be done.. no matter how experienced you are.. yea the cop could have been a little nicer about the sit. but i can see where it got him a little steemed up.. ya know?

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Turned out my buddy was moving a little fast (my buddy said 90, the ticket said 100, the cop said 115) in the city, and refused to pull over.  I know he doesn't run from the cops, so he just didnt see/hear the cop trying to pull him over.  The cop and I talked for a bit, and it became clear that, while he was a nice guy, he had a hard-on for bikers, and liked taking people to jail.  However, he did confirm my impression of how the laws read - you can NOT be taken to jail for speeding.  However, you can for just about anything else; his reason for arresting him was an illegal lane change.  After bailing him out ($180) and getting his bike out of the impound ($140), he talked to us about how the cop treated him and talked to him like a criminal, shoved him around, etc.




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he is lucky... if i were the cop i will take his license away.. according to ur buddy 90 is till alot.. that is like 45 mile/ hr over the speed.. man when u are driving that fast .. the COP does not care what color u are...even if u are super white he doesnt care..... i havent been riding for long but i know why man riders died....respect hte road and the bike

Drive like your buddy did and be prepared to take the consequences. I doubt any of the treatment he received had anything to do with his color, it had everything to do with how he was riding. Also, like you said, you were not close enough to hear the conversation so you have no clue what your buddy said to the cop or how he said it. The last thing a cop wants to hear after pulling someone over in this type of situation is anything but "yes, sir" or "sorry, sir". I'm not saying your buddy answered back but you don't know what he said or did either. I find the best thing to do is let the cop vent and don't answer back or start an argument, I have gotten out of tickets this way.
 
It's people like you and your buddies that the media are looking out for to forward their agenda to outlaw sport bikes. If everyone with a sportbike rode like you guys they should outlaw them. Before you get your panties all in a bunch, I have a friend that used to ride just like you guys until one day he almost killed someone. Financially, he will be paying for this one for a long time to come. He was a very good rider with enough skills to cruise past people in the canyons and lap them at the track. I've read all of your posts in this thread and he used to sound exactly like you. Take some good advice and calm it down a little before it's too late.