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Triangle -> Hypothetically speaking... (6/6/2006 1:50:01 AM)

Say I am heading into a corner a bit too hot and the curve starts to get away from me... the outside edge of the bitumen is looming close and I need to turn tighter.

What will get me turning sharper best?

Lay the bike over further and let the handle bars go where they want or slide further off the seat and pull the handlebars to make the bike stand up a bit more and the pull the handlebars into the corner? Something else?

  
gixxereater -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/6/2006 1:40:11 PM)

The thing that will get you through it best is look through the corner where you want to go, not the weeds you're about to hit. I can only assume this is on the track? Surely on the road this is pushing to hard. But it's hyp, so lets go with on track. Either stand it up and grab a handful of brake and lay it back down quick, or try dragging the rear brake a touch, that'll tighten her up too. Other wise, you had better have some lean angle left to go or you're eating shit, and simply carrying too much speed. Hanging off more will stand the bike up more and allow a higher speed to be carried through a given arc. But, if you're already carrying too much speed, you best stand it up, grab as much brake as traction allows, and either lay it back down, or ease off the brake as you come to the grass and ride it off. Better to drive off than fall off and tumble.

05Tribal -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/7/2006 9:36:15 AM)

I say to look through the corner where you want to go and counter steer hard while trail braking through the turn. The bike will inherently want to stand up but when you apply the brakes so it is important that you press down on the inside bar and as long as you have enough cornering speed and traction you will make it. I know this works because I've used the technique both on and off the track.

Oh yea, take a riding school like www.sportbiketracktime.com and you will be able to "for real" learn and practice all this. A couple of forum members and I just participated in a two day event this past Monday and Tuesday at Mid-Ohio. It was my first time and it was KICK ASS! I learned so much and plan to go back many more times as my schedule and pocket book allows.

gixxereater -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/7/2006 4:33:41 PM)

Fun stuff eh Tribal? Been doing track days for a few years, yup, it's addactive. It's amazing how much you learn by doing them. If you thought you were fast on the street before, you have a rude awakening coming. So much easier to understand your bike and your own capabilities.

chainstretcher -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/7/2006 7:33:28 PM)

Trail braking -- and no ... that doesn't mean dragging the rear brake[:)] You want to ever so slightly hit the front brakes so that the forks compress a smidge. This reduces your trail (as in rake and trail) and gives you a tighter turning radius. Of course if you're into the corner way hot there's only so much this will get you as you do run a real risk of bottoming out the front suspension if you grab an assload of brake.

My personal strategy is to hit the corners soft and accelerate like a mo-fo through it. The 1kRR is a well behaved beast in the curves and responds well without being too twitchy. If you're running an older 600 then you might want to carry more speed in the corner.

gixxereater -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/8/2006 4:33:05 PM)

No, trail braking isnt dragging the rear brake, but dragging the rear brake will help you turn in as it scrubs speed with out overwhelming the front end, and it does work. True, it does reduce trail, but, if he's already overshooting a corner and you load the front end, you run the risk of low siding because of a front end wash. Of course, this may not be the worst that could happen given the circumstances. [8|]

Tahoe SC -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/16/2006 7:26:56 PM)

running the rear while in a turn is definitely not recommended though...

ducatijay -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/17/2006 10:07:17 AM)

agreed. i don't think "trail" braking is good advice for an amatuer. GIXXEREATER had the best advice with get the bike upright and grab a hand full of brakes. even if you have to continue the lean to get through the turn, the front end is already compressed (meaning the bike will have a tighter turning radius).

sounds like you have to work on looking ahead. when you start looking through turns, you'll start to ride a lot smoother. less transitions and less reacting to turns. looking ahead allows you plan your lines (and speed) through a turn, instead of reacting once you get to the turn......

chainstretcher -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/17/2006 11:08:11 AM)

I took the question to mean that "oops I didn't plan ahead now what?" A noobie shouldn't be going into corners hot anyway. I've seen people going in kinda hot stand it up and hard brake then lean it over for the curve. It really unsettles the suspension when you do that. Of course you're right when you say trail braking isn't for amateurs -- you can wash out the front real easy if you don't have "the touch".

So I'll boldly withdraw my last advice and say the best thing to do is DON'T PANIC!!!! Sudden herky-jerky moves and strange maneuvers will most likely get you into the ditch.

ducatijay -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/17/2006 11:29:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chainstretcher

I took the question to mean that "oops I didn't plan ahead now what?" A noobie shouldn't be going into corners hot anyway. I've seen people going in kinda hot stand it up and hard brake then lean it over for the curve. It really unsettles the suspension when you do that. Of course you're right when you say trail braking isn't for amateurs -- you can wash out the front real easy if you don't have "the touch".

So I'll boldly withdraw my last advice and say the best thing to do is DON'T PANIC!!!! Sudden herky-jerky moves and strange maneuvers will most likely get you into the ditch.



totally agree with newbies shouldn't be going hot into anything... but grabbing a hand full of brakes won't unsettle the suspension, it will compress the front. don't panic is also great advice. most riders give up before the bike will...........

Tahoe SC -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/19/2006 2:57:30 PM)

just look and lean harder through the turn...and don't freak out when metal parts start dragging.

yes you can use brakes through the turn but the thing is if the front is pretty well compressed already...and you give it more brake, compressing it more...you're now just going with all rubber...and it won't be too long before the front washes out...

as far as the rear...it's good to use it but only if you know what to do with it.

as for me, i would just close my eyes and pray...LOL...j/k...stick to your guns and your line mang...your pucker factor is usually way below the level of lean the bike can do.

oh yea...want to grow some hair on your shest...think of the same scenario but on a downhill...not just noobs but even experienced riders sometimes go in too hot...that's some freaky stuff...makes me want to take a $#!T thinking about it! hahaahh

chainstretcher -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/19/2006 3:44:56 PM)

Downhill twisty is scary, no doubt about it. But what I really hate is when the bank of the curve is backward. Example: making a tight left you want the pavement to bank with the right side high. Around here we seem to have some seriously idiot road engineers. One road has a nice curvy section that looks fast as hell until you get into it and find 3 back to back curves banked the wrong way. Until recently the last curve (a hard right) had a 2-3 foot drop off on the inside of the curve so there weren't no cheating on that bee-yatch[:@]

Tahoe SC -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (6/19/2006 7:40:51 PM)

oh mang...of camber turns eh? yea those are tricky...cause even if you're upright for reals, like with x/y coordinates...the bike is already at 30 degrees of lean! so you already have less traction! but they are a sure knee drag experience for those who need the battle scars!


HighRevver -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (8/13/2006 4:13:41 AM)

Alll of the above is a [sm=badidea.gif]

What you need to do is....BAIL!![sm=goodidea.gif]

Tahoe SC -> RE: Hypothetically speaking... (8/14/2006 11:45:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HighRevver

Alll of the above is a [sm=badidea.gif]

What you need to do is....BAIL!![sm=goodidea.gif]


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you wasted 2.5 seconds of my life reading your post.

  

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