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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 4:12:51 AM   
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My '03 600RR says to use 87 octane.

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 7:42:57 AM   
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I am looking at the cbr600rr6 manual right now, it say: Use unleaded petrol with a research octane number of 91 or higher.

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 7:43:51 AM   
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you trumped one ignorant opinion with another.Instead of any facts you gave your personal opinion.Higher octane fuel burns longer and hotter increasing combustion resulting in higher performance.


Like I said dude, don't feed us any more feelings and call 'em facts. 93 burns no hotter than 87 and if you have a 9:1 compression ratio 98 octane will yield you no increased power over 87 octane. This has been proven over and over on dynos. The following article is from a place called "how stuff works". I have more technical articles but to me this place is the easiest to understand. Enjoy

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The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the spark plug, it causes knocking in the engine. Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like "regular" 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting.

The compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car. One way to increase the horsepower of an engine of a given displacement is to increase its compression ratio. So a "high-performance engine" has a higher compression ratio and requires higher-octane fuel. The advantage of a high compression ratio is that it gives your engine a higher horsepower rating for a given engine weight -- that is what makes the engine "high performance." The disadvantage is that the gasoline for your engine costs more.

The name "octane" comes from the following fact: When you take crude oil and "crack" it in a refinery, you end up getting hydrocarbon chains of different lengths. These different chain lengths can then be separated from each other and blended to form different fuels. For example, you may have heard of methane, propane and butane. All three of them are hydrocarbons. Methane has just a single carbon atom. Propane has three carbon atoms chained together. Butane has four carbon atoms chained together. Pentane has five, hexane has six, heptane has seven and octane has eight carbons chained together.

It turns out that heptane handles compression very poorly. Compress it just a little and it ignites spontaneously. Octane handles compression very well -- you can compress it a lot and nothing happens. Eighty-seven-octane gasoline is gasoline that contains 87-percent octane and 13-percent heptane (or some other combination of fuels that has the same performance of the 87/13 combination of octane/heptane). It spontaneously ignites at a given compression level, and can only be used in engines that do not exceed that compression ratio.

During WWI, it was discovered that you can add a chemical called tetraethyl lead (TEL) to gasoline and significantly improve its octane rating above the octane/heptane combination. Cheaper grades of gasoline could be made usable by adding TEL. This led to the widespread use of "ethyl" or "leaded" gasoline. Unfortunately, the side effects of adding lead to gasoline are:

Lead clogs a catalytic converter and renders it inoperable within minutes.
The Earth became covered in a thin layer of lead, and lead is toxic to many living things (including humans).
When lead was banned, gasoline got more expensive because refineries could not boost the octane ratings of cheaper grades any more. Airplanes are still allowed to use leaded gasoline (known as AvGas), and octane ratings of 100 or more are commonly used in super-high-performance piston airplane engines. In the case of AvGas, 100 is the gasoline's performance rating, not the percentage of actual octane in the gas. The addition of TEL boosts the compression level of the gasoline -- it doesn't add more octane.


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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 8:05:18 AM   
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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 11:23:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: isolated1523

My '03 600RR says to use 87 octane.

-Adam


I wonder why your's is different than...

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ORIGINAL: ashsammy

I am looking at the cbr600rr6 manual right now, it say: Use unleaded petrol with a research octane number of 91 or higher.


Are there different bike specs - because one's overseas and the other State-side?


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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 11:56:38 AM   
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Make sure you are reading both your manual and the rating on the pumps correctly. America and Europe use different ratings. In America, our manual says to use 86 or higher octane. I know Europe uses a different standard, and your post relfects that with the "research octane rating". We use "on the pump" rating, which are different. Granted you are in UAE, so the I can't say what standard applies for you.

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 8:46:00 PM   
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Heh heh heh

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 9:25:20 PM   
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Ok so i cant find my manuel. so can someone with an 05 600RR tell me what the recommended octain is. I have been using 91 (premium here) but if the manual only says 87 then im going to swtich. THanks

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 10:12:24 PM   
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Just out of curiosity, about 15 yrs ago I had a 71 camaro SS that I ran 500hp with, 13:1 pistons, dual half inch feeds into a holley 750 cfm double pump. Yes 4 miles to the gallon. Anyways when I would pull up to the racing fuels station the gas in the pump was leaded, I guess my statement would be to those who are using the hot stuff at the pump that you are making sure its not leaded. I know you can buy race fuel in the 55 gallon drum from race fuel companies(not that I would). Just so you all are aware of the possible complications to your fuel system.

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 11:26:05 PM   
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I saw an article one time about this debate.
Their test bike, which was a ~2001 R6 actually made an
extra HP or 2 with 87 (recommended) over 93.

Interestingly, the 1000cc machine the tested showed less of a difference. They concluded it was because of the higher compression higher reving 600's that proper utilization of fuel was more important for max HP.

A more complete burn = more power.

Use what the bike calls for, don't just "give it the good stuff". You are not only spending more $$$, you are actually loosing (small amount) of Horsepower, and possibly leaving deposits from a less complete combustion process that in the long run could reduce performance even further. However, if you feel you or your riding buddy expert - is smarter and more educated on the matter then HONDA/Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawi and everyone else, go ahead... it's your bike.

Don't be a twat and assume higher is better etc, and don't believe that "Octane boosters" add HP. They don't, they add octane.

Also, look up the differences between "Octane" and "RON"

Also, you'll likly find that the number in your manual is different from the number on that sticker in your tail.

To the guys above: You are comparring a 2003 600rr to a 2006 600rr. It's possible (I'm too lazy to look) that Honda
may have raised the compression a bit and recommends a different fuel.

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/8/2006 11:46:10 PM   
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Different article, but still a good read:

http://www.rc51.org/fuel.htm

"In hours & hours of dyno testing & Powercommander map building several key points were discovered some we intentionally set out to test others just came about on their own:

1. Standard Race Fuel (VP C12, C14, Sunoco 104, 100LL AvGas even high octane pump gas 96 or 100) ran straight on a stock RC51 motor will actually lose horsepower."

"...sometimes by as much a 4-6hp"


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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/9/2006 12:07:21 AM   
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NOT TRUE THE 05 CBR 600RR STATES 87 OR HIGHER LOOK IN THE QUIK REFERENCE

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/9/2006 8:52:14 AM   
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I havent been nearly as involved with bikes to date as I used to be cars. I did drag racing cars (1400 hp mustang)up until about two years ago where it got to the point where my wallet just had no more blood to bleed lol.
I was fortunate enough to have a friend who owned a speed shop with a dyno and we spent 100 bazillion hours on that thing. Anyway, before my last turbo combination, I was running a nos set up. On motor only, 13.5:1 compression the car lost 16 h.p by using 116 octane as opposed to 112.
Someone mentioned above you need to advance the timing in the engine to take full advantage of the increased octane and that is absolutely correct. On the flipside, since higher octane fuels burn slower, using a higher octane than is required is pretty much the equivelant of retarding your timing. Thats not only my oppinion, thats hours of dyno proven results.

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/9/2006 10:04:03 AM   
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OK I never did buy into the higher oct = higher perform. BUT what I have believed was that the Higher Oct. was a cleaner burning fuel so I've been using it for that fact... So maybe some of you can shed some light on this for me, Does 93 burn cleaner than 87 ????

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RE: 100+ octane fuel - 6/9/2006 10:26:20 AM   
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A more complete burn = more power.

Use what the bike calls for, don't just "give it the good stuff". You are not only spending more $$$, you are actually loosing (small amount) of Horsepower, and possibly leaving deposits from a less complete combustion process that in the long run could reduce performance even further.


Tre - I think that answers your question doesn't it? You make the call...

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