if I part it out, would anyone be interested in anything?
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if I part it out, would anyone be interested in anything? - 6/5/2005 3:57:13 PM
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JasonW
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Hey everybody. It appears that I'm staring down the barrel of catastrophic engine failure. I haven't completed a tear down yet, but I'll probably need a complete head (so far). Cams are scored pretty bad and they are expensive. In addition to scored cams, I'll have to replace at least some if not all of the rockers and those bad boys retail at about 40 bucks EACH from Honda. Even at cost, the price of parts for a rebuild will be just too much money. I'm considering finding another engine but even that makes me nervous. Most anything I'll find for a bike this old will have been sitting for an awful long time and will need some attention. Until I finish tearing down my motor, I won't know for sure what I'm looking at, but I am very seriously considering parting out the bike and putting that money towards a replacement.
The bike has 65k on it and was down at 3k in a gravel lot. I know that's what everybody says, but in this case it's true!!! The bike is stock silver/grey. Flaws in the body work include 1 long scratch (maybe 6") that looks like it was keyed on the upper near the headlight, 1 missing tab on the upper and one crack on one of the side panels that covers the airbox. It can't be seen unless you are up close and it hasn't grown any bigger over the past 20k. One side panel was repainted the stock color, but the guy who painted it didn't peel the sticker off. Instead, he masked over it and painted. You can't see that this is what he did but you can feel it with your fingernail. Other than that, there are only the usual rock dings and scrapes from excessive lean angles prior to reworking the suspension. For a bike this old, it looks pretty damn good. There is no rust in the tank.
The exhaust is all stock and doesn't have any rash on the mufflers.
I've got a 1.5 year old WP shock out back (a bit light for 2 up, but I weigh 270...). Up front, the forks have the stiffest springs Race Tech had (perfect for my 270lb frame) and new seals in the forks. I have 2 black boxes-one CA and one "49" state. I guarantee you won't notice a difference between the two.
The frame is straight, the clip ons are straight and in good shape and I have a new switch housing for the start/kill. Chain and sprockets have less than 1k on them. Carbs are stock aside from the mixture screw being dialed out 2.5 turns.
Hmm... I'm trying to think of any parts that might be of interest and I'm drawing a blank outside of bodywork/tank, the shock, various electronic parts and the seat (1 stock, 1 Corbin).
I am not ready to part it out just yet-what I'm looking for is an idea as to what I might get for any of this stuff. I don't like Ebay, but would consider posting some parts there if I had to.
Or, if anyone has a motor that is rebuildable, I'd be interested in talking to you. Right now, I'm bikeless and sad.
Thanks for reading. I'm hoping for a speedy repair or replacement.
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/5/2005 11:46:11 PM
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greymustang
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hey i have a head and a set off stock cam
i would sell the head with cams if you want to rebuild
i have extra motor but it's in parts right now
let me know
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/5/2005 11:51:16 PM
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Logan
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What year is it, and if you do part it out I would like to talk about the shock.
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/6/2005 8:01:04 PM
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SILVERBIRD
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hey i got a 1990 engine with 37,000 on it there are a few parts i swapped from that engine. i also have a brand new stock cam chain tensioner that the engine needs. thats alll that i was going to do with it because the motor is still very strong, but i got lucky and found one with 1000 miles believe it or not and swapped. i have alll the parts you are looking for. i also have the same color bike check out my pics under silverbird!!!! i also have the shock and swingarm
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/7/2005 6:13:28 AM
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greymustang
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the head is ready to bolt on other than a little clean up it looks
as good as the one on my bike
the only reason i take the motor apart was it was going
to be a big bore project motor
but i'll never get it done just have to much
other stuff to do the motor only had like 22k
on it as far as price goes ??????????????
what it worth for ready to bolt on head and stock
cams with caps
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IT'S OLD , BUT IT'S FUN
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/7/2005 3:43:55 PM
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SILVERBIRD
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nothing is wrong with the motor, the tensioner needed replaced so i ordered it and it was backordered, so in that time i found this other engine. and installed it in mine. im not sure if it willl yours though i thought you had a 90' im in chicago so let me know
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/8/2005 5:24:14 AM
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Trips
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hey Jason just out of curiosity how much difference did the WP rear shock and the front springs make?
Do you know what the srping rates are on both?
thanks
Rob
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/16/2005 5:34:31 PM
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JasonW
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How much of a difference? Hmm. Well, it went from handling like a refridgerator full of bowling balls to behaving as a sport touring bike ought to!!! It was without a doubt the best money I spent on the bike. The RaceTech springs are the stiffest they offer @ 1.0kg/mm. The WP shock I purchased through Lindemann. I don't remember how much it was but I do remember that it was a screaming cheap deal. WP offered every possible option for the shock and I opted only for rebound damping and manual preload. If I could do it again, I would get the hydraulic preload adjuster but I have no idea where I would run it. I don't remember what the spring rate is (they will get anything you want for it-no xtra charge) but it's just a hair light for me. I'm 270 right out of the shower and I have the preload maxed.
As far as my motor issues... I decided to take the bike to the shop that I used to work at and let my old boss take a look at it before I tore it down any further. He is without a doubt the most knowledgable mechanic I have ever known. He thinks the wear on the cams is normal and that I shouldn't be worried about it. He thinks that if the noise up top can be tracked down at all, it would likely be the cam chain tensioner. I was pretty sure that the tensioner was good before I talked to him. With the cover off, it always had tension and never gave the typical signs of going out. In the 7 years that I worked for him, I've never known him to misdiagnose anything-especially so simple.
For the bottom end noise, he doesn't think it's a rod, but thinks a piston skirt might have been damaged by heat or a slightly too large bore. Keep in mind that I'm running forged Wiseco pistons... He's sure that it won't get much worse and doesn't think it will hurt anything, so I really don't care about it.
I'm at a cross roads here. I'm tired of working on this bike and would like to get rid of it. However, I know the bike and it's history really well and everything else on it is in great shape. That makes me want to keep it. If a new tensioner fixes the problem, then I'm a very happy guy. If a new tensioner doesn't fix the problem, then I'm probably going to have a breakdown and throw the whole dam bike into the river and forget about it.
The bike is paid for and I can't afford to replace it with something else outright. I do NOT want to make payments right now, so buying another machine really isn't an option. I think I'll pull the tensioner one of these weekends and check it out. The shop manual has pretty good instructions on how to examine it. If it's bad or even suspect, I can get a new one at cost and have it back together pretty quick.
I just don't want to sell it yet. I'm attached to it through the work that I've done so far. Plus, it's fun to hang with or lead a group of new bikes when I'm on a dinosaur.
I'll keep this thread updated with my findings.
Thanks for all the responses-I do appreciate it.
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/18/2005 10:32:46 PM
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Trips
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Are you sure the tensioner isn't just making its normal broken typewriter noise that it makes for the 1st few mins until its cold?
Wack some good quality synthetic oil in there.
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/19/2005 9:12:31 PM
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JasonW
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Oh no, this isn't anywhere near 'normal'. It sounds like a giant coffee can of bolts being held by a crank addict who hasn't had a fix in a few days. It doesn't go away either, it just keeps on rattling.
I'll have the new tensioner in my hands on Tuesday. Open tensioner surgury to commence after work on Wednesday. If the top end problem is solved, then I will continue riding the piss out of it this summer and decide what to do with the bike at that point.
As frustrated as I am with this motorcycle and all of the work that I've had to put into it, I've really grown quite attatched to it too. Lots of guys have no idea that any of these are left on the road (assuming they have a clue as to what a Hurricane is at all). I start to smile inside when I hang with or lead a group of newer/lighter/higher HP bikes on this old thing. It's quite satisfying to tear up a canyon on something that isn't supposed to be able to tear up anything anymore. I think that is a huge part of my attraction to this old bike.
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 6/23/2005 10:22:59 PM
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Logan
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quote:
start to smile inside when I hang with or lead a group of newer/lighter/higher HP bikes on this old thing. It's quite satisfying to tear up a canyon on something that isn't supposed to be able to tear up anything anymore. I think that is a huge part of my attraction to this old bike.
My thoughts exactly..... I love my old cbr1000f, but the dang thing beats the crap out of me now. I need to get a new rear shock and have the forks reworked.
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 7/1/2005 12:43:01 AM
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JasonW
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I've changed my mind. I'm not going to sell it, I'm not going to part it out either... I'm going to throw the whole damn thing in the river and laugh my balls off while I watch the SOB sink. *sigh*
Where do I begin? I pull the valve cover off and begin to take off the upper chain slider mounted with 4 5mm socket bolts. 1 breaks no sweat, one looks to be stripped so I am very careful with it and BANG go my knuckles... damn thing is stripped. Instead of pitching a fit, I go for the other 2 and get them out. I begin working on the stripped bolt when I STUPIDLY drop a bolt that I just pulled right down the middle of the fawkin' motor. AAAARRRRRRGHGHGGHGGGHGHGH Rookie move! I start to fish for it with a magnet but make no progress. Finally, I decide that it will be much easier once the slider is off.
Well, the head on that mofo bolt is stripping and I'm not making any progress. I tried everything in the book to break it loose. I made a mean face, I cursed at it, I waved a dead chicken over my head while running in circles, impact hammer (broke a socket!) and all kinds of other odds and ends. I was going to cut a slot in it and use a big screwdriver to get it out, but I didn't have enough room in there to get a cutting tool in it. Finally, I decided I'll just bend the damn bracket out of the way and hope for the best. I'll worry about getting the bolt out later. The only problem was that it bolts into a small aluminum tower and I just KNEW I would break it off and be in twice as much sh*t. Surprisingly, as soon as I gave the bracket a little twist, it broke the bolt loose and I pulled it out. I'm only 6 hours into this job, I've made 10 minutes woth of progress and now and it's getting dark.
Working in the parking lot of my apartment complex really is a poor place to perform open motor surgery. I pulled the cams, pulled the tensioner, replaced the tensioner, replaced the cams, buttoned everything up and was ready for a test ride.
The top end noise is gone, but the bottom is still barking. *sigh* Hey, I didn't expect perfection. A buddy and I suit up and head out for a test ride. Everything is great until we sit at a light for a while. All of a sudden, the bike feels like it's losing a cylinder and then dies. She won't idle worth a damn. I brought it home, changed the plugs and double checked a few things, but it didn't change the idle.
The valves were spot on prior to removing the cams. Since I didn't touch the adjusters, there SHOULDN'T be a change in clearances. Of course I didn't check, so I'll have to do that tomorrow. The timing marks are balls on accurate, so I am inclined to rule out my being a tooth or so off. Even if I were off, it wouldn't idle from the get go, not just after idling for 45 seconds.
I had a 3 day weekend last weekend and a great trip planned. My ride for the weekend consisted of one bummer test ride. :( I have a 3 day weekend this weekend too and all I want to do is ride. Unless I magically get it figured out tomorrow after work, it's looking like the bike will be ignored until Sunday. I'm so frustrated... I've got to take a break, read the manual and then let it all digest in my brain.
Suggestions are welcomed.
Oh, BTW, other than noise, I had no problems of this sort prior to the tensioner R&R. I'm trying VERY hard not to find out what the bottom of a whiskey bottle looks like right now. hehehe
I'll post whatever I find out over the next few days.
PS I eventually did fish that troublesome bolt out of the motor. I can't believe I dropped it in there. I even had some towels stuffed in to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
PSS I sure would like to RIDE to the office today. grrr
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RE: if I part it out, would anyone be interested in any... - 7/1/2005 8:52:29 PM
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Trips
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Check to make sure that you didn't disturb something in the coils when you took the valve cover off. Also check that you didn't disturb the throttle cable slack or that the chocke isn't sticking on.
Any you must re-check the valve clearances!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know what its like doing a repair in the carpark of an apartment complex. Not much fun. :(
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