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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 4:18:31 AM
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Spike
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When I tried the standup wheelies I was talking about staggered. Just normal standing up is really strange to me... though I will try some of those as well.
I tried getting it up in second some more tonight on my way home from work. I actually got it come up about a foot or so, which is more than before.... baby steps :D
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 7:24:55 AM
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OK here is my 2 cents from riding 15+years..
Dont do 1st gear stand ups! Dont try to learn freeway stand ups until your are great at everything else! If you are smart dont do them at all! To many kids are getting killed and hurt bad. I ride and I dont need or want my privilege to ride revoked because too many wanna be's are trying to wheelie! I am not calling any of you wanna be's only the squids that try to do a stunt the 1st day they ride! Why on earth would you want to do a 60mph+ wheelie? That 15 year old girl that thought it was kool is not going to pay your funeral expenses. know what your doing before you do something stupid! Sometimes stunts seem kool to people that aren't very kool! Lets be honest, no real professional person gives a rats ass about stunts, my wife makes 6 figures a year and could care less if could wheelie or not, she rides also but doesnt stunt because it is a bad idea! Dont get killed showing off for some girl that works for 8 bucks an hour..Its not worth your life or your football career haha! I like wheelies so I dont wanna be the party pooper..I just think there is a time and place, and the freeway is not it. Maybe if I was 18 again I would see it a different way but I am not and I wouldnt risk losing my life or my licence just because I wanted to look kool.
Guys if you think stand ups are kool on the free way you might want to rethink why you ride.. The people that think it is kool are the same jack asses that drive a Honda civic with a baby in the back. Just because you add a piece of crap loud muffler doesnt make you a better driver or make the car handle better. Stop watching the fast and furious and dont try to be a biker boy! And for the guy that said who cares at least he would die doing something he loves? That is the most stupid statement ever! That is the voice of an idiot!
4 wheelers where banned because too many people got hurt, those same people are trying to ban sport bikes! if not for the AMA being our voice of reason none of us would be riding right now. It would be outlawed! SO please think about that before you try to do something you saw in a movie, chances are your not that good, you shouldn't be riding a sport bike anyway (straight line riding is not riding), and your going to get hurt or hurt some 1 else!
2nd clutch them up! Clutching is way less harsh on your bike! Power wheelies eat your tranny up, you will be replacing your tranny every 8k miles doing power wheelies all day. Clutching a wheelie will eat your clutch, who cares clutch kits are a lot cheaper then a tranny. Dont bop or yank the handle bars! If you are you dont know what your doing! Let the bike do all the work! Add a bigger rear sprocket instead of a -1 front sprocket of your having a problem getting it up! Go up 3 in the rear and you will have a torquey wheelie machine. A wheelie done right will not harm your bike or you!
Just be safe and use your head! Cover your rear brake.. I have seen too many guys grab the front break when the front tire is off the ground. They panicked and got hurt. Dont be scared about using the clutch, All these guys that flip clutching them up are riding liter bikes! Our 600's wont flip unless you way over rev or stand up and yank the bars!
As I said I am not trying to condescend, I like wheelies! If i sound harsh I apologize! The truth us we have too many retards riding sport bikes! We as a whole need to start policing our own to restore our good name! Before the day comes when we cant ride anymore! Every time you see a dumb ass acting a fool on the roads that is 1 step closer to all of our demise! Cagers are hating us, the MAN hates us, and soon every 1 will try to abolish sport bikes for ever!
As always stay safe and keep the rubberside down!
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 7:29:04 AM
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Spike
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Thanks for the response... though you might want to rethink your usage of shift+1... exclamation points are used to exclaim things... so in your last post you're doing a lot of yelling. Just my .02
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 8:32:22 AM
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Wow I think someone forgot their meds today LOL j/k. IMHO you don't know alot of the people on here that you are "bashing," no offense, just take it easy. I'm sure that most of the guys on here aren't riding down the freeway, I've been following along this whole thread and I don't remember seeing anyone say anything about freeway wheelies. Me personally I take it to the side roads with little to no traffic and if there is a car coming I just wait. I agree what your saying about pulling on the bars, I have heard of people having the clipon turn on the fork, but I have also heard of people breaking off their pegs doing standups. All I can say is that you have to know your limits, and I too hate hearing how someone just got a bike and whats to know how to wheelie. One more thing, and I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, why is a power wheelie harder on your tranny than clutching? I'm not saying that you are wrong, but all of my experience working on bikes and cars points the other way. When you clutch it up there is a harsh jolt to everything, gears, clutch, sprockets, chain, cush drives, tire, suspension. Please explain. Also what kind of a difference would a +3 rear make over a -1 front? I need to buy a new chain and sprocket kit pretty soon, so any info is appreciated.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 11:28:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: redliner
OK here is my 2 cents from riding 15+years..
Dont do 1st gear stand ups! Dont try to learn freeway stand ups until your are great at everything else! If you are smart dont do them at all! To many kids are getting killed and hurt bad. I ride and I dont need or want my privilege to ride revoked because too many wanna be's are trying to wheelie! I am not calling any of you wanna be's only the squids that try to do a stunt the 1st day they ride! Why on earth would you want to do a 60mph+ wheelie? That 15 year old girl that thought it was kool is not going to pay your funeral expenses. know what your doing before you do something stupid! Sometimes stunts seem kool to people that aren't very kool! Lets be honest, no real professional person gives a rats ass about stunts, my wife makes 6 figures a year and could care less if could wheelie or not, she rides also but doesnt stunt because it is a bad idea! Dont get killed showing off for some girl that works for 8 bucks an hour..Its not worth your life or your football career haha! I like wheelies so I dont wanna be the party pooper..I just think there is a time and place, and the freeway is not it. Maybe if I was 18 again I would see it a different way but I am not and I wouldnt risk losing my life or my licence just because I wanted to look kool.
Guys if you think stand ups are kool on the free way you might want to rethink why you ride.. The people that think it is kool are the same jack asses that drive a Honda civic with a baby in the back. Just because you add a piece of crap loud muffler doesnt make you a better driver or make the car handle better. Stop watching the fast and furious and dont try to be a biker boy! And for the guy that said who cares at least he would die doing something he loves? That is the most stupid statement ever! That is the voice of an idiot!
4 wheelers where banned because too many people got hurt, those same people are trying to ban sport bikes! if not for the AMA being our voice of reason none of us would be riding right now. It would be outlawed! SO please think about that before you try to do something you saw in a movie, chances are your not that good, you shouldn't be riding a sport bike anyway (straight line riding is not riding), and your going to get hurt or hurt some 1 else!
2nd clutch them up! Clutching is way less harsh on your bike! Power wheelies eat your tranny up, you will be replacing your tranny every 8k miles doing power wheelies all day. Clutching a wheelie will eat your clutch, who cares clutch kits are a lot cheaper then a tranny. Dont bop or yank the handle bars! If you are you dont know what your doing! Let the bike do all the work! Add a bigger rear sprocket instead of a -1 front sprocket of your having a problem getting it up! Go up 3 in the rear and you will have a torquey wheelie machine. A wheelie done right will not harm your bike or you!
Just be safe and use your head! Cover your rear brake.. I have seen too many guys grab the front break when the front tire is off the ground. They panicked and got hurt. Dont be scared about using the clutch, All these guys that flip clutching them up are riding liter bikes! Our 600's wont flip unless you way over rev or stand up and yank the bars!
As I said I am not trying to condescend, I like wheelies! If i sound harsh I apologize! The truth us we have too many retards riding sport bikes! We as a whole need to start policing our own to restore our good name! Before the day comes when we cant ride anymore! Every time you see a dumb ass acting a fool on the roads that is 1 step closer to all of our demise! Cagers are hating us, the MAN hates us, and soon every 1 will try to abolish sport bikes for ever!
As always stay safe and keep the rubberside down!
You're a jackass. You don't know anyone here from your ass. So WTF are you talking about?
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 2:37:52 PM
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Watch this !!
This makes me not even wanna try a wheelie!! but it looks like he yanked up too hard?!?! or just couldnt keep the throttle steady?!?!
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 5:03:13 PM
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redliner
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Ok all the stunters use bigger rear sprockets because it makes more torque then changing the front sprocket. Changing the front -1 doesn't do anything but lower the rpms at higher speeds. A -1 doesn't make that much difference, you could just apply more throttle and get the same results. I would say go 2 up in the rear and -1 in the front for max benefit without losing all your top end and gas mileage. Clutching it does do less damage to the tranny. When you power it up the bike has to work extremely hard to get it up, it sounds easier but it isn't. The sudden change in torque kills you tranny while clutching you can control to soften the whole process.
Go to uponone.com and look under how to's and click the wheelies (here is a link http://www.uponone.com/howtos.php) It will explain the whole thing I am saying in a better way! Why do you think all the top stunters clutch them? you can do it at slower speeds and you can control them much better. using the power band at higher rpms means you are going much faster, if something goes wrong your chit out of luck!
And to be crystal clear I wasn't referring to any people in this forum, I have posted many times and helped a lot of people out! Although seeing your responses you are the very people that real sport bikers hate. You are squids that deserve to crash! You are the riders that make us all look bad, so do us a favor sell your bike so all our insurance premiums will lower. I doubt any of you ride the twisties, you only ride from 1 red light to another.. A monkey could do that! And mister white trash Camaro guy.. your a fool! How do you ride with a mullet? Spend less time trying to impress little girls and you will make fewer kids that will be just as dumb as you! People like you are dragging this country down! Your stupidity breeds stupidity, making welfare whores and independence cards! My whole point was to try to save some newbs life by being real about the dangers. If all the fun you have on your bike is wheeling your a putz. face it your not going to get paid to be a stunter, so stop trying! All these guys I see riding do their wheelies think they are cool and then 2 months later they are sidelined all summer because they break motor mounts and radiators. how many times does wheelie threads have to start anyway? Is it the only reason you bought a sport bike? next time I am in my car please do a stand up behind me on the freeway or any where else and I will make sure to lockup my breaks.. See if you think that's funny. I know I will see you in one of those stunts go wrong vids, and I hope it hurts! And peace out.. are you black or white? Your not 50 CENT or EMINEM. Trade your bikes in for your high school diploma because your GED's = crack whores and welfare. You don't look cool on your sport bike when it is parked outside the Mcdonalds you work at..
Kick me from this forum who cares, it is the same chit all the time. Little sissies to scared to wheelie and to scared to ride over 60mph. Nothing but crying about what exhaust to buy, what helmet to wear. you made it a fashion show and that says loser! you care more about what your bike looks like then you do about how to properly ride it! Spend more time learning how to corner and maybe you will live longer, just ask BIG BEN.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 6:21:05 PM
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yo is it just me or is this guy a retard?
" I ride and I dont need or want my privilege to ride revoked because too many wanna be's are trying to wheelie!"
" Dont do 1st gear stand ups!" "Why on earth would you want to do a 60mph+ wheelie? "
"Lets be honest, no real professional person gives a rats ass about stunts"
"I like wheelies so I dont wanna be the party pooper"
" 4 wheelers where banned because too many people got hurt" when was that? we still have them here
"Add a bigger rear sprocket instead of a -1 front sprocket of your having a problem getting it up! Go up 3 in the rear and you will have a torquey wheelie machine." because we all know that final gear ratio has nothing to do with anything.... you have to add 3 to the back not -1 from the front.... what were we thinking???? hahaha
"I have seen too many guys grab the front break when the front tire is off the ground. They panicked and got hurt." like it is my fault for them being retarded .... thats the dumbest way to crash doing a wheelie
" As I said I am not trying to condescend, I like wheelies! " hahahah
"The truth us we have too many retards riding sport bikes!" exactly so sell YOURS!!!!!!!
"Our 600's wont flip unless you way over rev or stand up and yank the bars! " hahaha a dirt bike will flip but not our 600s....
i could go on and on with the dumb ass quotes
hmmmmm how many AMA riders have i seen doing wheelies or burnouts????? yo just ask jason britton or darius how much they care about stunts .... because they make way more money from stunting then you will make in your life!!!!
come up here and see if i can ride the "twisties" because you claim none of us can,i will smoke you in then corners and then ride a wheelie past your wife and see if i can make her wet. not everybody starts off riding as good as YOU are!! so i try to give people the right information that i never got, because of assholes like you! think your all high and mighty, go ahead and act like you know everything. its pretty obvious by your posts that you do (or think you do)! i suppose you are the only one on this forum who can ride like a real man and hit the corners at 20mph or a do a sweet 30mph wheelie 7inches off the ground. dude i bet your a bitch when your not behind your keyboard! learn something about bikes before you get on here and sound like a moron. if you dont like this forum then we shouldnt have to kick you off you should kick yourself off.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 7:45:19 PM
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This thread was very considerate in the beginning. Now it seems like some of you are being childish and bashing a guy (that none of us probably know in person) for his OPINION. Last time I checked we are free to have one of those EVEN IF it is different from our own. So to everyone hating on this guy for his opinion why don't you guys grow up and stop bashing him for his thoughts. Like many of the rest of us he is just trying to show opinions from another side.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/23/2006 8:37:25 PM
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Spike
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There's also a difference between giving your opinion and giving misinformation.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/24/2006 12:11:07 AM
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Just wanted to chime in and say that I finally got the balls to start doing stand-ups, I don't know why it took me so long but I'm lovin it LOL. I can ride them in 2nd gear alot longer than my sit-downs. I bounce it up instead of clutching it. Just blip the throttle and pull back, I usually start at about 40-50mph and pull it up without any problems, no clutch. I do have one question, if your doing long wheelies is there anything that should be done to the bike? Someone told me that I should add an extra quart of oil, but thats doesn't sound like it would be a good idea. I don't just stunt, I ride alot of miles and do alot of wheelies here and there. Let me know. Thanks for the advice guys, but I think the best advice for someone that wants to try standups is just get off the damn computer and go do it LOL. Just take it slow and practice. I have been trying standups for about a month and I just got it down about 2 days ago, so take your time.
-Jesse-
f4i owners dont need to worry about adding extra oil(which is one of the many reasons many big name stunters ride an f4i) f4i's have their oil pick up in the rear of the oil pan....so, if your at 10 or 12, you have no need to worry about oil starvation. if you would like, you would buy an oil pick up extender, but i would never recommend adding more than the suggested oil level in your bike. extra oil is a time bomb for a blown oil seal around the piston.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/24/2006 4:35:18 AM
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twistatech
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dont tell me what to do , i am just defending this forum... this is a direct quote from the idiot himself
"Although seeing your responses you are the very people that real sport bikers hate. You are squids that deserve to crash! You are the riders that make us all look bad, so do us a favor sell your bike so all our insurance premiums will lower. I doubt any of you ride the twisties, you only ride from 1 red light to another.. A monkey could do that! And mister white trash Camaro guy.. your a fool! How do you ride with a mullet? Spend less time trying to impress little girls and you will make fewer kids that will be just as dumb as you! People like you are dragging this country down! Your stupidity breeds stupidity, making welfare whores and independence cards! My whole point was to try to save some newbs life by being real about the dangers. If all the fun you have on your bike is wheeling your a putz. face it your not going to get paid to be a stunter, so stop trying! All these guys I see riding do their wheelies think they are cool and then 2 months later they are sidelined all summer because they break motor mounts and radiators. how many times does wheelie threads have to start anyway? Is it the only reason you bought a sport bike? next time I am in my car please do a stand up behind me on the freeway or any where else and I will make sure to lockup my breaks.. See if you think that's funny. I know I will see you in one of those stunts go wrong vids, and I hope it hurts! And peace out.. are you black or white? Your not 50 CENT or EMINEM. Trade your bikes in for your high school diploma because your GED's = crack whores and welfare. You don't look cool on your sport bike when it is parked outside the Mcdonalds you work at..
Kick me from this forum who cares, it is the same chit all the time. Little sissies to scared to wheelie and to scared to ride over 60mph. Nothing but crying about what exhaust to buy, what helmet to wear. you made it a fashion show and that says loser! you care more about what your bike looks like then you do about how to properly ride it! Spend more time learning how to corner and maybe you will live longer, just ask BIG BEN."
just because you dont want to yell at the guy dont mean that i dont wanna...
did you even read this? i think i also have my right to my own OPINION and mine is that this guy is a retard. i dont want morons on here telling people to do shit that is gonna get them hurt , or telling them wrong information. do you? an OPINION is one thing but, when your telling people stuff you have no knowledge about that is not a OPINION. this guy starts running his mouth about stuff he has no idea about and people that he dont know , that just aint right. I dont need or want people in this forum like that. if he wants to be decent then fine, but just because he has 15yrs of riding that dont make him god! saying that he is doing the right thing "trying to save some noobs life" by saying this "Dont be scared about using the clutch, All these guys that flip clutching them up are riding liter bikes! Our 600's wont flip unless you way over rev or stand up and yank the bars!" yeah he is a real winner somebody that i would want to hear my info from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/24/2006 6:15:52 AM
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Spike
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ANYWAYS back on topic.
So I can't get it up in second using the clutch! BAH! I go about 50, pull the clutch in, go all the way to redline and fan it out, all I get is a little tiny jerk. I know I must not be doing it right... practice practice. Should I be trying second gear at a lower speed???
Also I has been having a little trouble getting it up in first... I realized I wasn't giving it enough throttle while the clutch was pulled in. I tried that thing someone mentioned about rotating my throttle hand forward so as to grab more throttle. Worked like a charm, now I got them shooting up like a rocket haha. I think I'm putting my -1 front sprocket in today so we'll see about second gear then. Anyone know how badly my speedometer should be off using -1??
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/24/2006 11:22:45 AM
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sometimes when it was like 90+ degrees out mine wouldnt come up the best in second what i would do is...
stand up and bounce, pull back on the bars and then sit your butt back down on the seat all in one motion.
then you dont have to worry about heating up your clutch too much. but it does come up kinda quick sometimes doing that so be careful about that. otherwise you can try different things. but once you put on your -1 sprocket you shouldnt have that big of a problem. i also have the 520 kit on mine but turnin20s dont ,so either way you should be alright and be able to get it up in 2nd. i think mine just comes up a little easier. i am not sure exactally how much your speedo would be off but i go about 67-70mph to go about 60-62mph give or take. you can always get a speedo healer sometime too. but with this -1 sprocket i have noticed a huge difference. so its worth my speedo being off for the time being.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 6/24/2006 12:33:03 PM
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where do you get sprockets from and about how muich do they cost?? Do you have to change the chain or anything? too ?!?!
Whats a 525-520 conversion mean?? Also whats a pretty good brand for sprockets?? I like the way the Vortex rear ones look, but the renthal looks more beefy/very strong for some reason.
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