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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/10/2006 7:59:44 AM
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twistatech
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i can get mine up in 2nd w/o clutching or bouncing on the sit downs and i am sure i can do it on the stand ups they just dont come up as quick on the stand ups and you run out of gear.... -1 front 520 conversion... 2 brothers exhaust ... if you cant do it hit the gym hahaha...
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/10/2006 8:04:45 AM
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Turnin20s
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i can get mine up in 2nd w/o clutching or bouncing on the sit downs and i am sure i can do it on the stand ups they just dont come up as quick on the stand ups and you run out of gear.... -1 front 520 conversion... 2 brothers exhaust ... if you cant do it hit the gym hahaha...
LOL yeah. I need to start working out cause these standups are killing my arms and legs for that matter. But yeah I get my 2nd gear standups up without clutching. Yes a 600 does have enough power to get it up without clutching. I can do sitdowns without clutching it too, but I don't anymore. I'm also -1 with stock 525 otherwise.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/10/2006 10:29:20 AM
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stuntn_r6
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can either of you guys slow them down yet? thats when you know that you're gettin BP...and how much brake are you guys using to control your wheelies?
also, are you standing staggered?
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/10/2006 1:06:48 PM
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Black
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I'm staggered. I feel more in control with a foot on the back to balance, a foot on the brake to balance, and both hands up front for control.
My summary of this thread:
-Stand up's are easier, smoother, and you have a better view of the road ahead.
-Staggered gives you more control and stability.
-Don't pull on the handlebars, or bounce (in general, for the starters) You can pull unevenly and end up with the dreaded tankslap.
-Clutching is easier on the tranny and more consistant.
-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up.
-Once you find the Balace Point (BP) use the rear brake to ride longer wheelies. If it comes up too fast, rear brake and catch it before you loop over.
-Don't use the throttle to control wheelies. On these bikes, it's too touchy.
-Stay on the throttle slightly on the landing, keep the wheels moving.
-Always wear your gear when doing wheelies.
-A tap of the helmet means police.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/10/2006 1:19:41 PM
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stuntn_r6
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very good summary...
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/10/2006 7:03:01 PM
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twistatech
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-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up.
-Once you find the Balace Point (BP) use the rear brake to ride longer wheelies. If it comes up too fast, rear brake and catch it before you loop over.
-Stay on the throttle slightly on the landing, keep the wheels moving.
-Always wear your gear when doing wheelies.
-A tap of the helmet means police.
i would agree with them.....^^^^^
not so much with these and i will tell you what i think
-Stand up's are easier, smoother, and you have a better view of the road ahead. i dont know that they are easier
-Staggered gives you more control and stability. i guess if you like it fine, i dont like it and dont find any real advantage to it...
-Don't pull on the handlebars, or bounce (in general, for the starters) You can pull unevenly and end up with the dreaded tankslap. keep the bars straight and you wont have a problem, there is no easy way to do a wheelie you just have to do things right...
-Clutching is easier on the tranny and more consistant. i dont think clutching is easier on anything, i can do them w/o the clutch all day but when i start using the clutch alot i can warm it up and make it slip like crazy if i dont do it right...but it is more consistant
-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up. i would say that it is harder if anything to clutch it up (then just using power) but when you have it down it is better.. i would not recomend a newbie to wheelies trying to clutch it up. your just asking to loop. the only advantage to clutching it is it comes up fast and you dont run out of gear...
-Don't use the throttle to control wheelies. On these bikes, it's too touchy. i use the throttle in 1st and 2nd. its touchy in first , not to bad in sencond but u still have to use the throttle....
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/10/2006 8:08:51 PM
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Turboedsupe
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ORIGINAL: twistatech
-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up.
-Once you find the Balace Point (BP) use the rear brake to ride longer wheelies. If it comes up too fast, rear brake and catch it before you loop over.
-Stay on the throttle slightly on the landing, keep the wheels moving.
-Always wear your gear when doing wheelies.
-A tap of the helmet means police.
i would agree with them.....^^^^^
not so much with these and i will tell you what i think
-Stand up's are easier, smoother, and you have a better view of the road ahead. i dont know that they are easier
-Staggered gives you more control and stability. i guess if you like it fine, i dont like it and dont find any real advantage to it...
-Don't pull on the handlebars, or bounce (in general, for the starters) You can pull unevenly and end up with the dreaded tankslap. keep the bars straight and you wont have a problem, there is no easy way to do a wheelie you just have to do things right...
-Clutching is easier on the tranny and more consistant. i dont think clutching is easier on anything, i can do them w/o the clutch all day but when i start using the clutch alot i can warm it up and make it slip like crazy if i dont do it right...but it is more consistant
-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up. i would say that it is harder if anything to clutch it up (then just using power) but when you have it down it is better.. i would not recomend a newbie to wheelies trying to clutch it up. your just asking to loop. the only advantage to clutching it is it comes up fast and you dont run out of gear...
-Don't use the throttle to control wheelies. On these bikes, it's too touchy. i use the throttle in 1st and 2nd. its touchy in first , not to bad in sencond but u still have to use the throttle....
Im not trying to be a dick but your view on wheelies are way off man especially for the way your doing them in that vid. Stand ups are way easier then sitdowns, they are way easier to steer and you can balance it more with your body leaning back/ forward ect...
The advantage of staggered is that you have more weight towards the back of the bike and you can lock your legs and lean back like you should be in a wheelie.
Your riding the clutch out and not dropping it like you should. My clutch has never been overheated or stated slipping after multiple lauch ups. There was a write up on stuntlife.com explaining the strain on the tranny maybe you can go search for it.
Clutch ups are way safer for learning with power wheelies you end up chasing wheelies and that will make you loop it way faster with a wind gust or bump in the road.
You do not control a wheelie with your throttle. You use your brake and lean with your body if you can keep your thottle even you will have no headshake or a choppy looking wheelie. I suggest you go to stuntlife and read up some info on wheelies and watch a bunch of their movies to see their body positioning and launch ups
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/10/2006 11:52:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: Turboedsupe
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ORIGINAL: twistatech
-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up.
-Once you find the Balace Point (BP) use the rear brake to ride longer wheelies. If it comes up too fast, rear brake and catch it before you loop over.
-Stay on the throttle slightly on the landing, keep the wheels moving.
-Always wear your gear when doing wheelies.
-A tap of the helmet means police.
i would agree with them.....^^^^^
not so much with these and i will tell you what i think
-Stand up's are easier, smoother, and you have a better view of the road ahead. i dont know that they are easier
-Staggered gives you more control and stability. i guess if you like it fine, i dont like it and dont find any real advantage to it...
-Don't pull on the handlebars, or bounce (in general, for the starters) You can pull unevenly and end up with the dreaded tankslap. keep the bars straight and you wont have a problem, there is no easy way to do a wheelie you just have to do things right...
-Clutching is easier on the tranny and more consistant. i dont think clutching is easier on anything, i can do them w/o the clutch all day but when i start using the clutch alot i can warm it up and make it slip like crazy if i dont do it right...but it is more consistant
-Clutching is more controlable once you get it up. i would say that it is harder if anything to clutch it up (then just using power) but when you have it down it is better.. i would not recomend a newbie to wheelies trying to clutch it up. your just asking to loop. the only advantage to clutching it is it comes up fast and you dont run out of gear...
-Don't use the throttle to control wheelies. On these bikes, it's too touchy. i use the throttle in 1st and 2nd. its touchy in first , not to bad in sencond but u still have to use the throttle....
Im not trying to be a dick but your view on wheelies are way off man especially for the way your doing them in that vid. Stand ups are way easier then sitdowns, they are way easier to steer and you can balance it more with your body leaning back/ forward ect...
The advantage of staggered is that you have more weight towards the back of the bike and you can lock your legs and lean back like you should be in a wheelie.
Your riding the clutch out and not dropping it like you should. My clutch has never been overheated or stated slipping after multiple lauch ups. There was a write up on stuntlife.com explaining the strain on the tranny maybe you can go search for it.
Clutch ups are way safer for learning with power wheelies you end up chasing wheelies and that will make you loop it way faster with a wind gust or bump in the road.
You do not control a wheelie with your throttle. You use your brake and lean with your body if you can keep your thottle even you will have no headshake or a choppy looking wheelie. I suggest you go to stuntlife and read up some info on wheelies and watch a bunch of their movies to see their body positioning and launch ups
I don't think there is a right or wrong way, and I especially dont buy into reading a website as a reference. He's speaking from his experience, what he does. Everyone does things differently, that's just the way he does it. I do agree that using the clutch is the best way, but if he prefers without, no need to call him out and tell him he's wrong, or way off. And me personally, I do not use the brake and lean to keep control of the wheelie, I use a lot of throttle too to help control it.
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/11/2006 12:36:42 AM
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stuntn_r6
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if you use the throttle, you're gonna have choppy wheelies and thats what makes the bike sway back and forth...if you want to have a very nice and controllable wheelie then you better learn how to control it with the brake..
as for reading a website as a reference, why not go to a website with probably the largest group of stunters on the planet, and take advice from the guys that do this professionally and have been doing it for a hell of a lot longer than you. guys that have been down and know why....my .02
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/11/2006 12:41:50 AM
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Scott982
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Ok I just got on this forum looking for some technical advise and I saw this thread...turboedsupe has the right idea but every one else doing power wheelies on the front pegs is dangerous and well it just looks stupid. Also if you are tugging on the bars when you bring it up you are gonna end up setting it down crooked and getting a nasty tank slapper. Clutchin it is way safer and you have so much more control. When you are doing power wheelies it takes all that power to bring it up and then if you hit bp and have a handfull of throttle your gonna loop especially if your not covering the brake which is alot harder to do when your on the front pegs. Do them staggered and you won't get tired as fast and you can work the brake easier but don't try to power it up staggered cause you will crash you need to clutch it...and saying that you shouldn't wheelie in first is stupid I tought my friend how to wheelie on his 600rr in the lot we stunt at in 1st gear and he was catching idle in a month and he crashed a couple times but nothing major and its alot better to go down in 1st in a parking lot then on the highway at 80mph. Also if your having trouble bringing it up second just clutch it harder cause that f4i will come up in 3rd all day long on the highway. I can't stress enough COVER THE BRAKE!!!! and if you are new to riding in general get completely familiar and comfortable on the bike before you start trying to wheelie..If you don't agree with me whatever I dont't really care but I have been doing this stuff since 98 and have seen alot of really bad wrecks on the highway from people not doing stuff correctly so just be safe...
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/11/2006 7:55:07 AM
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Turnin20s
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Ok I just got on this forum looking for some technical advise and I saw this thread...turboedsupe has the right idea but every one else doing power wheelies on the front pegs is dangerous and well it just looks stupid. Also if you are tugging on the bars when you bring it up you are gonna end up setting it down crooked and getting a nasty tank slapper. Clutchin it is way safer and you have so much more control. When you are doing power wheelies it takes all that power to bring it up and then if you hit bp and have a handfull of throttle your gonna loop especially if your not covering the brake which is alot harder to do when your on the front pegs. Do them staggered and you won't get tired as fast and you can work the brake easier but don't try to power it up staggered cause you will crash you need to clutch it...and saying that you shouldn't wheelie in first is stupid I tought my friend how to wheelie on his 600rr in the lot we stunt at in 1st gear and he was catching idle in a month and he crashed a couple times but nothing major and its alot better to go down in 1st in a parking lot then on the highway at 80mph. Also if your having trouble bringing it up second just clutch it harder cause that f4i will come up in 3rd all day long on the highway. I can't stress enough COVER THE BRAKE!!!! and if you are new to riding in general get completely familiar and comfortable on the bike before you start trying to wheelie..If you don't agree with me whatever I dont't really care but I have been doing this stuff since 98 and have seen alot of really bad wrecks on the highway from people not doing stuff correctly so just be safe...
Thank You, its nice to finally get some good opinions from someone that knows what they are talking about and without having it shoved down your throat. I agree that powering it up isn't as good as clutching them, but thats how I learned to do it for now. I'm going to work on clutching them as soon as I get back out on the bike (waiting for tire). You got your buddy ideling 1st gear wheelies in a month? Damn, I need to practice more LOL. I don't have a cage yet so I don't want to attempt the slower stuff yet and put it down and smash it all up. Is that a sick cage on yours? If so how do you like it? Thanks for the info
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/11/2006 8:30:41 AM
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twistatech
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yo turbo lets see one of your videos!.......i am not about to start fighting with anybody cause i am sick of some of the people on this forum.. i put that stuff as my view, just like 01600F4i said (thanks by the way).. you do them how you wanna and i will do them how i wanna..and i will put my opinion.. you can put yours.. yo i didnt learn stand ups first and then learn sit downs did you??? no because they are not easier.... they are better but not easier.... my bike has 18000 miles on it and the clutch warms up quick i am not riding the clutch..... you can clutch it up or not. if the wheel comes up whats the difference??? havent had it tank slap yet.... let me see some of your god damn videos before you start calling me out on mine.... that we have stated is about a month old already.....
i dont need to watch the videos on stuntlife i will be at the stuntlife sponsored show in 10 days... and i have about 20 dvds..... everybody does them different ... i am just trying to help people and you are being a asshole....
well i searched stuntlife and got this ...... Just remember, clutching wheelies is pretty hard on the clutch and even THAT wont wear it out much faster than normal use. Unless you do that wrong too............
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/11/2006 9:03:57 PM
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Scott982
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ORIGINAL: Turnin20s
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ORIGINAL: Scott982
Ok I just got on this forum looking for some technical advise and I saw this thread...turboedsupe has the right idea but every one else doing power wheelies on the front pegs is dangerous and well it just looks stupid. Also if you are tugging on the bars when you bring it up you are gonna end up setting it down crooked and getting a nasty tank slapper. Clutchin it is way safer and you have so much more control. When you are doing power wheelies it takes all that power to bring it up and then if you hit bp and have a handfull of throttle your gonna loop especially if your not covering the brake which is alot harder to do when your on the front pegs. Do them staggered and you won't get tired as fast and you can work the brake easier but don't try to power it up staggered cause you will crash you need to clutch it...and saying that you shouldn't wheelie in first is stupid I tought my friend how to wheelie on his 600rr in the lot we stunt at in 1st gear and he was catching idle in a month and he crashed a couple times but nothing major and its alot better to go down in 1st in a parking lot then on the highway at 80mph. Also if your having trouble bringing it up second just clutch it harder cause that f4i will come up in 3rd all day long on the highway. I can't stress enough COVER THE BRAKE!!!! and if you are new to riding in general get completely familiar and comfortable on the bike before you start trying to wheelie..If you don't agree with me whatever I dont't really care but I have been doing this stuff since 98 and have seen alot of really bad wrecks on the highway from people not doing stuff correctly so just be safe...
Thank You, its nice to finally get some good opinions from someone that knows what they are talking about and without having it shoved down your throat. I agree that powering it up isn't as good as clutching them, but thats how I learned to do it for now. I'm going to work on clutching them as soon as I get back out on the bike (waiting for tire). You got your buddy ideling 1st gear wheelies in a month? Damn, I need to practice more LOL. I don't have a cage yet so I don't want to attempt the slower stuff yet and put it down and smash it all up. Is that a sick cage on yours? If so how do you like it? Thanks for the info
-Jesse-
No problem man and I learned powering it up to a long time ago in 2nd on the highway cause I didn't know anybetter but once I started clutching it staggered they were so much easier and not so much strain on your arms. Yeah I have a sick innovations cage on my bike and after having a 905 and FI cage the sick innovations is the best IMO. I crashed last week and the bike hit the bar a launched about 4ft into the air landing right on the cage and the cage didn't bend or anything like the other cages I have had. I definately wouldn't try any slow stuff with out a cage cause its just not worth it. My friend hit the pipe on his 600rr and the bike corkscrewed and fell over and it broke a clip on, the cluthch cover, and took a chunk the size of a quarter out of his block. Wiht a cage the bike would have been fine..Basically just start clucthing it little by little till you get comfortable and you will have it down in no time..
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/11/2006 10:11:28 PM
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929 FRB18
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how long did it take you guys to be able to ride it out? i got a 929, power up or clutchin it up and the same thing happens, it floats up as easy as it should, but it drops straight back down, i'm sure its all me, not having the kahunas to keep it up, but how long should it take till i can? i watched that video that was posted earlier giving lessons on how to do it, when it comes to back off the throttle, i think i'm closing to much. should i just hold it at steady or should i be rolling off? its frustrating me because on my old bike (rvf400) i would clutch it 1st and ride it for a pretty fair distance, now i think i'm giving the bike a little more respect than i should when trying to wheelie.
man, any help will be greatly greatly appreciated, frustration is eating me away!
i'm sure you guys know the feeling of knowing you can do better but not being able to push past a certian point.
< Message edited by 929 FRB18 -- 7/11/2006 10:13:15 PM >
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RE: 2nd gear stand ups - 7/11/2006 10:28:58 PM
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Scott982
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^^^^ If it comes back down you are not high enough balance point is way back there and you will know when you get there cause the bike will stay up and you won't be gaining any speed. It justs takes time to get there, it took me probably a month or two before I was actually at balance point and could go as far as I want. Just cover the brake
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