RE: First Crotch rocket
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/15/2006 10:12:46 PM
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Ronintas
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From what Ive learnt of this is "Too never ask on a forum for riding tips" u will get too many different ideas and end up just as confused if not more than when u first asked... Best idea, go to a rider training course, where u know that the people are teaching you are qulified to give safe riding advice.... 
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/15/2006 10:25:45 PM
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steviestyles
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zz, maybe we got our definitions sligtly mixed up, you are right about feathering the clutch to maintain speed in a very slow turn, but the point here is for slow figure eight the bike needs to mainatain a certain speed if you want to say upright, and that was the point I was trying to make, if you want to slow down in a normal turn releasing the throttle, or briefly pulling the clutch, is a lot better method, than applying the rear brake as some have mentioned earlier. In the middle of a turn which would you rather do, hit the brakes or fan/pull/feather the clutch. As for matching road speed with enginge rpm, during a turn a downshift would be a lot more dangerous since your tire can skip if you downshift to quick, if you pull/fan/feather the cluth the bike will slow down in a turn. I didn't mean to ride the clutch through the whole turn. Here in NJ they do refer to countersteering as how I mentioned it (turn right...steering....lean left....the counter aspect)you push the bike into the turn keeping your weight on the opposite footpeg I have heard other refer to it as counterbalancing, or whatever name you want to call it. I had these same question originally asked when I took the course a week ago. I'm assuming that since the instructor is a licensed MSF instructor, he knows a hell of a lot more than you and me and what he instructed is the way you're supposed to do it. I'm not on here to debate your tactics compared to mine. As for how I passed, I guess the instructor thought I did well enough to give me an MSF card. I'm not sure if you've even taken a course, or how long you've been riding. I would sincerley expect that if I didn't grasp the concept, then I wouldn't of finished the class. The instructors were very professional, and they were very persistent that if you didn't pass the skills test he wouldn't want anyone of us to ride on the road. The bottom line I am trying to make and a few other here have too is that anyone who wants to better their skills, they should enroll in a professional rider course...period....that's it. Taking advice from friends and amateurs can lead to giving bad advice which leads to bad habits. I also pointed out, you look through the turn which is another factor. Not trying to doubt your skills bro, no need to insult each others inputs.....Peace
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/15/2006 11:32:03 PM
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speed demon
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hey man just do what feels comfortable practice makes perfect and goin in circles and onto figure 8s is a really good practice too. me personally i try to have enough speed to grab the clutch and kinda coast into a turn or be in a high gear to prevent the rear wheel from skipping either way slow tight turns ur clutch helps a hell of alot.... from being in a low gear and letting outon the clutch i layed my first bike down. so i learned quick oh and if it still freaks u out just drag ur feet..... when u get tired of buyin shoes u will start turnin better
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/15/2006 11:50:33 PM
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Fretless33
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Never adjust your speed with the throttle on a slow sharp turn slip the clutch.
Wrong Mr. Ford...this is where the classic saying comes into play, "when in doubt, gas it!" If you're starting to loose it and you feel like the bike's going to fall over, dial in some throttle and that will make the bike stand up some more...don't be afraid of the throttle, because it can save your ass sometimes!
Just about all you guys have the right concept, You shift your body weight/position to the opposite side (as far as the inside arm will allow), weight the outside peg and look where you want to go...that's pretty much all there is too it!
However, it's obvious that some of you don't have a friggin' clue... 
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/16/2006 2:19:41 AM
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dwhite645
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Somehow or another this thread started out asking advice for 'slow speed cornering', as in a parking lot, or turning into a parking space then went to cornering at different speeds.
For the original question, as I posted earlier, counter balance yourself - leaning the opposite way while turning, and slip the clutch to maintain a crawling paced slow speed.
You also DON'T want to use the front or rear brake to maintain this 'slow crawling speed' because if you rely on that, there's a good posibility you'll stall out if you're going slow enough in the midst of a turn then drop it.
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/16/2006 9:43:57 AM
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Fretless33
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The discussions have stayed (for the most part) true to that question and my previous reply IS about low speed/parking lot/u-turn techniques...yes...the throttle even works at low speeds
The throttle can be your best friend, or worst enemy...
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/16/2006 10:47:33 AM
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steviestyles
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Fretless I agree, somehow, maybe I was overly elaborate, and zzz11 blew what I was trying to say out of proportion. I guess the best thing is to keep it simple.
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/16/2006 11:25:40 PM
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13brsxsrr
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Gas is on the right, brake is on the left??????
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/16/2006 11:50:21 PM
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NINE2NINE
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to the guy who originally started this post:
sounds to me like a case of overthinking. you obviously have identified your problem (low-speed cornering) and have spent WAY to much time dwelling on it. but i'm guessing that the next time you are faced with a slow corner, your mind will be running at 1000 mph. i read this, i should try that. this will always get you.
hit an empty lot and have some fun. don't think about it, just do it. see what works for you.
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/17/2006 6:20:36 PM
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FordFrenzy97
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Fretless33
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ORIGINAL: FordFrenzy97
Never adjust your speed with the throttle on a slow sharp turn slip the clutch.
Wrong Mr. Ford...this is where the classic saying comes into play, "when in doubt, gas it!" If you're starting to loose it and you feel like the bike's going to fall over, dial in some throttle and that will make the bike stand up some more...don't be afraid of the throttle, because it can save your ass sometimes!
Just about all you guys have the right concept, You shift your body weight/position to the opposite side (as far as the inside arm will allow), weight the outside peg and look where you want to go...that's pretty much all there is too it!
However, it's obvious that some of you don't have a friggin' clue...
All I was saying is that in my MSF class, on the tight figure eight turn, they told us to keep a steady rpm and slip the clutch. So maybe it was the instructors "didn't have a friggin clue"! This thread starter is not talking about a sharp turn in the road he is talking about making a very slow sharp turn in a small area in first gear.
< Message edited by FordFrenzy97 -- 6/17/2006 6:27:57 PM >
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RE: First Crotch rocket - 6/18/2006 12:08:02 AM
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Fretless33
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quote:
ORIGINAL: FordFrenzy97
This thread starter is not talking about a sharp turn in the road he is talking about making a very slow sharp turn in a small area in first gear.
So was I...
You can definitely slip the clutch...if that works for ya then go with it...what your instructor is talking about is maintaining your speed during a slow turn (basic motorcycle operation), but you made an inaccurate statement about adjusting your speed in a slow turn...in fact you said "never," so I was offering an example of when you should...unless you stick your leg out and try to prop up your moving/falling 400 pound bike...I prefer to give it some gas and save the strained muscle.
If I was trying to pass an MSF class I'd feather the clutch...but there's so many more variables in real life.
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