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liter bike vs 600 - 6/18/2006 4:41:39 PM
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PolishHammer75
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Hey...
In Iraq I promised myself I would buy a rice rocket as soon as I got home. Listeing to other people who said I needed to start with a smaller bike, I bought a new 2004F4i. Since buying it, i put yoshi pipes on it and dropped a tooth off the front sprocket. Even with mods, I feel I have outgrown the bike and I am thinking of upgrading to a liter bike (CBR or R1) next summer. On the flip side I have heard that the CBR600 RR and R6 are faster off the line than liter liter bikes and better handling. Can I have some advice on what I should buy?
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 6/21/2006 9:48:58 PM
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hobbs51
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hay go to page 2 600rr vs 1000rr and read by the way thanks for all that you do for our country
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 2:49:18 PM
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TURBOCBR1000RR
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WHEN I GOT HOME FROM AFGANISTAN I BOUGHT A 02 CBR 600F4I. I ALSO QUICKLY OUTGREW IT. I UPGRADED TO AN 04 CBR 1000RR AND THERE IS NO REAL COMPARISION. THE LITER BIKE IS WAY BETTER IN EVERY WAY. MY 600 DID FEEL QUICKER OFF THE LINE, BUT I CAN GET OVER THAT. I LOVE GOING FAST AND THE LITTER BIKE IS THE WAY TO GO. THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY WHEN THE 600 IS ALL IN IT THE LITTER BIKE HAS NOT YET SHIFTED INTO SIXTH GEAR.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 5:12:35 PM
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zzz11
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Wow.. You guys must all be very uber to "outgrow" a 600 SS bike so fast.
I guess you have a point if you mean you want to go faster in a straight line, but who can't do that?
Next time, as soon as you feel you've "outgrown" your 600SS, take it to the track and realize how much you actually suck. In fact, take your new litre bikes there now and watch all the more experienced 600's lap you.
Sorry, but it always cracks me up when I hear people "outgrowing" a supersport bike.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 5:38:15 PM
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PitbullF4i
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Next time, as soon as you feel you've "outgrown" your 600SS, take it to the track and realize how much you actually suck. In fact, take your new litre bikes there now and watch all the more experienced 600's lap you.
Sorry, but it always cracks me up when I hear people "outgrowing" a supersport bike.
LOL..ya im with u on that one, i had a 900 b4 my F4i and i have WAYYY more fun one the f4i, ...i love getting in the back twisty with guys with liter bikes and spank them ..ohh how good it feels ..
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 7:25:02 PM
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oh...grrr!!! okay i will say it, why is it that 600 riders are so confident that the can beat 1krr riders in the twisties....back in the day yeah, i'd agree, but honestly with the 600rr and the 1krr, its all about rider skill....the 600rr isn't much smaller than the 1krr, and has less low end torque (you know the stuff you need coming out of the apex); I have yet to be dusted by a smaller bike in the twisties.....must be a napolean bike complex or something...:)
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 10:10:15 PM
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zzz11
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ORIGINAL: AZ1000rr
oh...grrr!!! okay i will say it, why is it that 600 riders are so confident that the can beat 1krr riders in the twisties....back in the day yeah, i'd agree, but honestly with the 600rr and the 1krr, its all about rider skill....the 600rr isn't much smaller than the 1krr, and has less low end torque (you know the stuff you need coming out of the apex); I have yet to be dusted by a smaller bike in the twisties.....must be a napolean bike complex or something...:)
Read my post again...
You'll note that I never mentioned, or implied that a 600 BIKE is faster than a 1000. I don't believe that to be the case. I was directing everything toward the rider.
The point I was making was about people who buy 600's as their first bike and claim that they've "outgrown" it after a few months or a season. They think because they can point the handle bars straight and crank the throttle, they've mastered the bike.
I'll guarantee you that if these same people took their "outgrown" 600's to the track they will realize just how much they suck.
Like you said.. "it's all about the rider skill". A good 600 rider will beat most 1000 riders who think they're good.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 10:30:35 PM
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PitbullF4i
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75% of 1000 riders ..are steight line riders it's *look at me i have a 1000 so im faster then you* it is rider skill ....the bike doesnt do it for you, when u can push a 600 to its maximum limit ...then ur ready for a 1000
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 10:46:38 PM
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hobbs51
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ok gentleman.
i think we all agree on one thing that the 600 is no sloutch and it is a well refined bike if it wasnt then people wouldnt buy them. i no i had one nothing to laugh about very fast and yes the low end tourqe is not their but it wasnt built to be their it was built to scream at 15,500 rpm and that it does very well. at any where above 11,000 you had better hang on. if i am not mistaken magell i hope that is spelled wright laped daytone at 1 second slower on the 600 then he did on the 1000 and out ran all but the 2 top riders in the field. now after saying that i have had both as stated many times on this forum. the 1000 will eat the 600 in straight line power that is evedent i mean a 600 is 110 hp at the rear wheel the 1000 is 175 aat the rear wheel do the math so if you go through a corner faster the 1000 will smoke you after the corner. these bikes arent made for the amature to take any where and try to be the kentucky kid those guys can ride that is why they can take a 1000 and smoke a 600. at my level i will be the first to admit i will not contest a well skilled 600 rider with my 1000 but on the other hand dont make it sound like the 1000 sucks when in the back of any ones mind that has riden the 600 for a while that they dont dream of having a 1000 just to find out how good it can be
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 11:06:30 PM
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PitbullF4i
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i have nothing against 1000's i love the 1000RR ..my buddy has one i rip it all the time, what blow me away is how ppl think they need a 1000 to be fast
Oh ya ...very well put Hobbs51
< Message edited by PitbullF4i -- 7/12/2006 11:07:53 PM >
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 11:24:31 PM
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hobbs51
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like that f41,
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 11:33:03 PM
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ALL OF YOU SUCK BUY A RC51!!!
"JUST PLAYIN". The whole reason for owning my fouth 600 is I don't think I need anything bigger. It's definitly nice to take wifey out w/ a 929. Soft seats, nice riding positon, and good pwer. Probably better for me and worst for her on a 1KRR. The power on a 1KRR is sick, not just total but the deliverly too. Insurance sucks and sometimes w/ the self control of child I might be temped to see how fast it will go.
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dont make it sound like the 1000 sucks when in the back of any ones mind that has riden the 600 for a while that they dont dream of having a 1000 just to find out how good it can be
That sounds funny. LOL.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/12/2006 11:42:57 PM
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ejohn
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600 bikes are a little more forgiving that liter bikes. i guess when i can get to the point to where iam want more power, or can ride with more power I will get one.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/13/2006 11:35:47 AM
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Honestly guys, think about this carefully, if 600's were the be all end all for racing, there wouldn't be seperate classes, and the superbike class wouldn't be the top rung on the ladder. I used to race years ago, and in all honesty, many local tracks are not big enough, or banked enough to really race the litre class. The major tracks, however are, and I doubt you'll find very many 600 class riders wanting to go head to head with the liter bikes. For some reason people see to be under the impression that litre bikes don't handle, really you couldn't be more wrong. Straightline bikes would be in the Hayabusa/ZX14 class, and both would probably dust any thing we own in straightline performance, but these bikes are long and top heavy and are not engineered for handling. The true litre superbikes are the 1krr, ZX10r, and the GSXR. I didn't include the yamaha, cuz they don't race the R1. Honda, just like its competition, spends a ton of money engineering the 1krr for the track. The bike is truly made for curves, not straightlines. That being said, on the street, there are very few riders that can run a 600rr or a 1krr to its limit. Road conditions simply don't allow it. This is more detrimental to the 600 than the 1krr, remember you said it yourself, you bike only runs well above 11,000 rpm. My 1krr runs from bottom to top. That means when we both enter a 35 mph curve, you have to keep your rpms up, while i can back off a bit, and blast it through the apex. I will say that the 600 is more flickable, but that doesn't mean the 1krr isn't right on its ass in that category, set the two bikes side by side, look at the sizes, weights, and geometry...then look at the performance numbers and you will see that the main dif between the two bikes is more power, both in torque and hp over a much larger powerband.....
Dont get me wrong, the 600rr is a blast to ride, and when we go through the twisties, the guys i ride with are all neck and neck, neither bike really outperforms the other, but what does not occur is the 600 blowing away the 1krr, unless the 1krr rider doesn't know how to ride, or doesn't have the nerve, it will never happen. I just get tired of hearing that the 600rr, not to mention the f4s and f3s out there really believe that they can just eat a 1krr's lunch in the twisty's. You are truly mistaken.
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