RE: liter bike vs 600
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/13/2006 6:24:34 PM
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zzz11
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az1000rr are you even reading any of this? If you are, then the 'ol reading comprehension is lacking.
No one's arguing about the ability of the bikes given equal riders.... well.. I'm not going to repeat what's already been said, so I'm done.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/13/2006 7:21:57 PM
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Hoplite
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Actually you are both right. The 600 is not better than the 1000, and I doubt many people here have "outgrown" the 600. It comes down to rider ability and I think that is what everyone is saying. AZ is tired of people saying a 600 will eat a 1000 through the twisties, and I see his point. And like pitbull said, there are many out there who claim to need a 1000 because the 600 isn't enough, which is also BS as most can't ride a 600 to its ability and think they are special for twisting the throttle while riding in a straight line. Like I said, I think there is just a miscommunication among posters here, and I agree with pretty much everything that was said.
I will say this though, I have had a couple 600's before I got my 900RR and 1000RR and I find the bigger bike easier to ride on the street. Why? Because of torque difference. The extra push and the power throughout the rev range simply makes it easier to get out of trouble on the street. I didn't buy a 1000 because I felt the 600 was too weak, I bought a 1000 because I find it more confidence inspiring and during street riding it is just more practical IMHO. I am no track star and never will be, but on the street I can push my bike fairly hard, and I find the extra torque helps correct the occasional mistake I make while committed in a turn. With the 1000 I can concentrate more on lean angle, tire feedback, weight distribution, etc. and less on where I am at in the power curve.
Just my thoughts.
< Message edited by Hoplite -- 7/13/2006 7:22:55 PM >
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/13/2006 8:51:23 PM
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This thread makes me laugh. Hayden and Mladdin both admit that the 1000s scare the piss out of them so the idea that us mere mortals "outgrow" a 600 is laughable. Having said that I'll admit that I prefer the 1000 over the 600. It's like fastbike for dummies You have enough torque available that it doesn't matter if you short shift by accident. On a 600 shift points need to be more precise in order to avoid lugging the engine. And handling wise you guys have pretty much hit it on the nose -- it's all in the rider. There's just not enough weight difference between the 600s and 1000's to say the 600 will rule the twisties.
The 600's are more fuel efficient and cost less to insure. They're also less expensive to buy than a 1000. And I honestly believe it takes more skill to ride a 600 fast (and I mean hauling ass fast) than it does to ride a 1000 fast.
Last thing ... I promise Being that I ride a 1kRR (used to be a Busa but it's the same basic song) peeps think that if they stay with me or pass me that they beat my bike. Honestly, a guy at work who rides a Hardly actually thought that his bike compared power wise with my old busa. Truth is I ride because I like to ride. Occasionally I ride very hard and very fast. But I don't race everyone and everywhere. So if you're riding a Ninja 250 and you pass me it ain't because you got more skills or because you got a faster bike -- it's only because I didn't care and was just enjoying being on 2 wheels. And for the record ... I spanked that dudes Hardly (in front of a lot of peeps) for running his mouth ...
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/13/2006 9:55:43 PM
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hwang8
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In my personal opinion, I believe 600 is more than enough. At first, I owned a 600 F4i, and I thought i have "outgrown" it too. Later, after selling that bike, I ended up buying the '03 gixxer, and it was modded to have 180 hp. But I didn't have the skills and enough experience to use all that power, and ended up selling it. I had to learn the hard way by losing a lot of money, and realize how much of a moron I have been. I had a very lucky occasion, and I bought an '05 600RR for a really good deal. I now ride this bike and I believe it has more than enough power for me and I still have a lot to learn.
In the end, all I want to say is, buy the bike that is right for you, but don't expect that you are the "man" just because you have a litre bike and you can beat any 600s out there, whether it is a straight line or a twistie, because it is "YOU" that will make the difference. If you were to race Valentino Rossi, or Nicky hayden, and they had a smaller displacement bike, you may be able to beat them in a straight line, but you can never expect to beat them in track. Of course, that's what they are paid to do, but I am sure you get my point.
Hope you know what is best for you, and good luck finding it, and also ride safe~!
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/13/2006 10:06:07 PM
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PERT1905
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Why do people find it necesarry to talk smack about people they don't know. Who cares what someone rides, who cares how good they are, if they are riding they must be doing becasue they enjoy it. If a person thinks they out-grew a bike, maybe they have in their opinion. SO zzz11 tell me if you're such a good rider why are you wasting your time in forums and not racing pro? SHUT UP AND RIDE!!!!!!!!!
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/13/2006 11:39:20 PM
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zzz11
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Why do people find it necesarry to talk smack about people they don't know. Who cares what someone rides, who cares how good they are, if they are riding they must be doing becasue they enjoy it. If a person thinks they out-grew a bike, maybe they have in their opinion. SO zzz11 tell me if you're such a good rider why are you wasting your time in forums and not racing pro? SHUT UP AND RIDE!!!!!!!!!
lol.. you sound..... "experienced".. let me guess.. you can go really fast in a straight line, also?
you also sound like you probably had too much sugar tonight.. maybe you should stand in the corner for time out, and let the parents get back on the computer for a while.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/14/2006 2:22:17 AM
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AZ1000rr
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Chain I bet shutting up the mouth in person felt good....I sure wish some of our mouths were close enough to actually go for a ride....it is truly amazing how many people really think they are pro riders. I really wish people would show a little respect. I really like the 600rr, but much like you, its simply to much work to ride it fast, and almost as much work to ride it slow. There are a lot of 600's that run out here at firebird raceway, its a small track and needless to say, was never intended for litre bikes, hell they race carts on it too. There are some guys that are so hell bent on beating the litre bikes, that they carry way to much speed into the corner have to break to adjust their line, just to have me blast by them again from apex to exit...i've run into guys from the track out on the street, and they really do believe in their bikes and their abilities, but there is a difference between confidence and cockyness....and my entire point was simple, for once I'd really like to see the 600 riders stop talking smack about how they can dust a 1krr. If they can ride and have had the opportunity (like most 1krr riders have) to ride both bikes, they'd understand what I and other 1krr riders are trying (in a nice way) to say. I guess I could make the point that more clearly...wake up...there is no place that a 600 can beat a 1krr with equal rider skill...there I said, and I really don't wish to offend, but just tired of seeing the same old line...which is better, if the 600's were the best...i doubt seriously that honda (nor any other manufacturer) would spend so much of their racing budget on R&D and racing the series. Truth be told, it is possible with enough practice to ride the 600 to its potential, I really don't see that on the 1krr, it is almost too much bike when pushed to its limits...
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/14/2006 8:53:55 AM
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PERT1905
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zzz, I guess it's easier for you to be a smart ass, then it is for you to answer a simple quesiton. I'm just curious why you feel the need to put people down. Having read some of your other posts it seems like that's your thing, go into a thread and tell people they're stupid and can't ride. You must be one of those people that avoids waving to fellow riders on the street, and have the thought "I can ride better than you". The truth is most people will never get the experience of riding on a track and maybe they don't want to, maybe riding here and there on the weekends is good enough. Don't be upset if you're getting beat in a straight line, you'll apparently catch up in the corners. Oh, and if you're "smart" enough to try and put your knee down on the street you probably won't be around much longer to keep up the exciting insults. Ride Safe
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/14/2006 11:51:05 AM
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zzz11
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<snip> there is no place that a 600 can beat a 1krr with equal rider skill...there I said, and I really don't wish to offend, but just tired of seeing the same old line.. <snip>
az1000 - again, you're not saying anything new. We all (as far as I know) agree with you. If you look at the previous posts in this thread, you'll see the exact same thing mentioned. Given equal riders, there's no contest. We agree :)
But that's not really what this thread is about.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/14/2006 12:12:57 PM
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zzz11
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...<nonsense snipped>...
Jeez.. Don't know why I'm going to waste my time with you, but here goes...
Your first comment here was :
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Why do people find it necesarry to talk smack about people they don't know.
Then you go right into "talk[ing] smack" about me. Excuse me.. Do I know you?
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I'm just curious why you feel the need to put people down.
You seem to be trying to do the same thing in 2 out of your 3 total posts on this board. Hmm..
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You must be one of those people that avoids waving to fellow riders on the street
LOL.. To quote yourself "Why do people find it necesarry to talk smack about people they don't know." Ummm.. Do I know you?
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Oh, and if you're "smart" enough to try and put your knee down on the street you probably won't be around much longer to keep up the exciting insults.
You're making an awful lot of assumptions, all of which are incorrect (translation, you're making yourself look like an ass).
Listen, kid. You must be new to the internet.
The way it works is that people come to public forums and post stuff. The main purpose of this transaction is to expose their post to thousands of other people. Some people will agree and chime in, and other will disagree and chime in.
Now, take a look at what's going on here.
A couple of people are making it publicly known that, as new riders, they've outgrown their 600cc SS bikes in one season or less. Me, along with others, claim that this is ridiculous, so we respond. I'm sure you "sort of" understand how it works, because even though you don't like it, you disagreed with some of our comments and you also responded. *gasp*!!! See how that works?
Let me summarize my point here, incase you still don't get it...
No, I'm not a "pro racer" as you claim. I've just been riding sporbikes long enough (just over 10 years) to know that there's no way that a newbie can "outgrow" a 600ss in a season. I've stated my arguments fairly clearly.
All you've done is whine and cry like a child. If you want to participate in the discussion, then do it intelligently. Don't chime in with your crying/whining/name-calling.
Hope you understand how it all works now. G'luck with the rest of the internet.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/14/2006 1:44:23 PM
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AZ1000rr
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zz...what the hell is a 600ss?..... and you make the same point in almost every thread you post in, making it seem like you are the only twisty rider out there. I to have many years of sport bike riding experience including several years of race experience, so when i say i am sick and tired of 600 riders making light of the 1krr, and saying they can beat it in the twisties, i am basing that on real world riding experience, and you are one of the people I am directly talking to. Your comments like let me guess, you can go fast in a straight line too are just the BS I am referring to....riding a 600 has really given you a napoleon complex, and its been my experience when people talk that kind of trash, their riding skills don't match, you know that cyber tough guy thing. Maybe you are the expection, the Terrell Owens of the sportbike world, if thats the case, than great, but there is always someone better, and a little humility wouldn't kill you. I realize that everyone is proud of the bike they own, and we all talk it up, but there isn't a day that goes by in this forum that someone like yourself says something about how their bike and skill is superior to the others online. I don't know about you, but for me riding is my one passion that is just for me, and it has been for more the twenty years. I welcome all riders, with the exception of squids, to come out and I'd love to ride with you. All of us were newbies at one time or another, and all of us can still improve. This thread was liter bike vs 600; not i've outgrown my 600. And honestly if someone feels that way and has the coin to buy a liter bike, why do you care. Lighten up, and quit telling people that they can only ride straightlines fast, twisties, fast or slow are what are sport is all about, and each of us has our line, knowing our limits is what keeps us up on two wheels.
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RE: liter bike vs 600 - 7/14/2006 1:49:44 PM
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AZ1000rr
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and by the way zz....this all started when i posted a reply to pitbulls comments about how he beats 1krr's with his f4i....go back and re-read them....you will see his comment, and my reply, you just posted in the middle
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