RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000?
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 7/21/2006 4:36:57 PM
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TexasArmadillo
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This forum is full of squids.
You guys do whatever you want. I don't care. I'm leaving this forum for a more mature motorcycling forum.
G-By Yall. I'm never coming back. It's just too sad to listen to all this arrogant ignorance. You own this board.
- TA, over and out.
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 7/21/2006 4:38:07 PM
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MeyekulBayrd
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Bye.
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 7/21/2006 4:53:33 PM
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kiggy74
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ORIGINAL: TexasArmadillo
This forum is full of squids.
You guys do whatever you want. I don't care. I'm leaving this forum for a more mature motorcycling forum.
G-By Yall. I'm never coming back. It's just too sad to listen to all this arrogant ignorance. You own this board.
- TA, over and out.
Don't let the door hit you....
From the beginning this guy's been trying to stir up controversy. I can't find a single post of his that has provide constructive or useful input to any discussion. In fact, he more frequently flames whoever he's speaking with in the thread. If he would like to define that as mature behavior, surpassing the maturity of all his peers on this forum then I'd suggest that this is not the forum for him.
You know what they say about opinions, everyone's got one.
< Message edited by kiggy74 -- 7/21/2006 4:57:26 PM >
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 7/21/2006 5:33:07 PM
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Anomir
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I also got a 06 1000rr as my first street bike. I did do alot of research, talked to alot of owners, and a guy who races.
We went over the pros and cons, and what I could control (such as my throttle, my own idea of ability versus reality etc).
In the end the pro really decided it for me, he recommended the 1000 over the 600, and refused to even talk about anything lesser.
He also let me know that alot of his decision was based on my personality, and the huge healthy respect I have for both the 600 and
the 1000. In the end, he finds the 1000 an easier bike to ride, of course he is a pro, but I went with his recommendation and have been
ecstatic.
I do keep his words and suggestions in the forefront of my mind, I do not take any chances, I understand that I am a road bike beginner, and will be
for a good while. I seek out others that have alot of riding experience for suggestions and tips, and allow them to critique me without taking it personally.
And to finish up my ramble, I personally took a safety course and recommend it, the bikes in the course certainly were nothing close to mine, however the
concepts taught make the class well worth it in my opinion.
Good luck, either way you choose. Just make sure its your decision and not someone elses.
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 7/21/2006 6:19:15 PM
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Evan_CBR
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ORIGINAL: TexasArmadillo
This forum is full of squids.
You guys do whatever you want. I don't care. I'm leaving this forum for a more mature motorcycling forum.
G-By Yall. I'm never coming back. It's just too sad to listen to all this arrogant ignorance. You own this board.
- TA, over and out.
I told you all he needed a long nap. Sleep tight, TEXY. Us Adults can now stay up and talk.
Sorry to jump off topic from the OP,...I do hope that you seriously consider your choice and have a safe riding experience no matter what you get. Let us know how you make out.
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/16/2006 2:16:58 PM
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AZ1000rr
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ORIGINAL: TexasArmadillo
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ORIGINAL: Evan_CBR
I personally think that the CBR1000 is an easy bike to ride...
ROFLMAO!
Un be-F'n-lievable!
Do NOT take advice from someone just out of their own MSF Basic Rider Course. If they didn't learn enough in that class not to buy a Super-Bike like the 1000RR as their first bike, they're not the kind of people to follow.
Be smart. Spend cheap bucks on a cheap used bike under 80hp for your first bike.
texas...why are you still at this; you really act like you know what you are talking about, but quite frankly you do not. The point has been made by MGA, sweet and simple, sportbikes are not beginner bikes....with that said, it doesn't stop most people from buying one anyway....knowing that they are going to, why on earth would you continue to try to lead people to believe that that 1krr is some three headed monster....its not, maybe you just don't get it, but the 1krr is easier to ride than the 600rr....the 600rr is more of a track bike, but even it can be ridden safely.....ITS NOT THE BIKE, ITS THE RIDER....you act like a novice rider is less likely to risk injury if they ride a smaller bike, that is simply not true, you can crash and kill yourself on a rebel, or even a ruckus. The 1krr can be ridden by anyone, provided 1) they don't fear the bike 2) they respect the power and 3) they take their time getting to know the bike and improve there skill. This is the CBR forum, hence most newbies that are on here have either purchased or are considering the purchase of a CBR....just which CBR would you recommend....none are really beginner bikes, but that certianly doesn't mean a beginner shouldn't own one; I really hope that you don't make someone so scared of their bike that they crash; fear causes as many crashes as stupity.....and your hard on for Evan is getting really old....just pisses you off that he is still riding his 1krr without incident doesn't it?; bottom line for any new rider, you should buy a bike that you like and feel comfortable on, you should recognize that if you just got your license, and finished the MSF beginner class, you may be seriously lacking in the skill department and need to spend a lot of time practicing the basic skills you learned, and above all respect your motorcycle, understand that ANY sport bike is probably more capable than the most of the riders that sit on, not just the new ones. Wear you gear, take your time, and welcome to the CBR club!
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/16/2006 3:15:16 PM
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YellowJacket1000RR
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I don't think Mr. Texass Armadillo is still at it. From his profile, it looks like he quit almost a month ago and some guy is trying to fish him up with a Mr. Anti Texas Armadillo login.
Oh well, trolls attract trolls. Some people are just sadists and like to torture others. I just hope they both leave our forum and go someplace else.
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/16/2006 4:30:35 PM
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2006CBR1000RR
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Ok, back on topic.
This is from my experiance and should be taken lightly.
I've been riding for 15+ years and a few weeks ago I bought my first sport bike. I went with a 1000RR. My choice was based off of riding larger and heavier bikes (Harleys). I was used to having lower end torque and wanted that in a sport bike.
With that being said my liter bike has scared the shit out of me a few times already. The bike is much more responsive than anything I've ever rode before and if you do not keep yourself in check you can get into alot of trouble very quickly. My suggestion would be to buy a used bike because even if you don't wreck you will drop it at least once and that sucks with a new bike. Get yourself something to learn on because no matter how many classes you take you will always be learning!! If your not learning your dead!
Experiance and self control are key elements because the road does not forgive and road rash sucks!!
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/16/2006 5:33:34 PM
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2e1000rr
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ok here we go one last time. i bought an 06 1000rr almost two months ago and have put a little over 1k on it safely. this bike can scare the sh*t out of you. but it can also be the best bike ever. i have been racing motocross on quads for three years and have riden a dirtbike once or twice so that may have helped. if you are confident you can handle a 1000 then get it but be careful. despite what everbody says you wont die just because you have a 1000. like what was already said you can die just as easy on a 600. but it is easier to screw up on a 1000. just dont get over confident or stupid. it takes years to be a truly good rider.
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/16/2006 5:42:29 PM
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YellowJacket1000RR
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+1 What 2006CBR1000RR said.
What makes the 1000RR so wicked is the fact that the engine will INSTANTLY match the rpm that you twist the throttle to. It's so powerful that it doesn't care what speed your bike is going at previously, or not going at all. The slightest mis-twist (if that is even a word) can break your rear wheel loose, and that ain't fun. Hell, when I have to sneeze, I pull the clutch in to keep from flipping my bike, it is that harsh. Absolutely unforgiving, it will do what you told it to do, even if you told it accidentally and you didn't mean it. It doesn't care. It's like a pet cat, you can love it, but it doesn't really love you, it can take you, or it can leave you.
If this is my 2 cents, can I have one cent back in change? I feel like I paid too much.
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/16/2006 7:20:14 PM
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zzz11
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with that said, it doesn't stop most people from buying one anyway....knowing that they are going to, why on earth would you continue to try to lead people to believe that that 1krr is some three headed monster
Easy.. To save their lives. What other conceivable reasons can you think of that would make someone try to stop someone else from buying a certain bike? Jealousy???
Tired of hearing this "awwww, don't hurt his feelings.. he really wants one" crap.
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....its not, maybe you just don't get it, but the 1krr is easier to ride than the 600rr....
This is just pure nonsense. I'm only responding to this to alert less informed people not to listen to crap advice like this.
A 1krr can be more comfortable to ride vs. a 600rr to a more EXPERIENCED rider. But is sure as hell isn't easier to ride to a novice (outside of requiring less shifts), and it certainly isn't ANY safer.
A novice can keep a 600rr in the 1k-7k range very easy, allowing a TON more room for error. A 1krr will kick your ass no matter what range you're in.
Hit a bump leaning in a turn and accidentally blimp the throttle too much due to lack of experience? You're on your ass in a 1krr. A 600 might knock you off depending on where you are in the RPMs. A 250 will most likely not even notice it. (Notice this has nothing to do with how "careful" you are, and how much you "respect" the bike, but everything to do with unexpected events playing on your lack of experience).
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ITS NOT THE BIKE, ITS THE RIDER....you act like a novice rider is less likely to risk injury if they ride a smaller bike, that is simply not true
Again.. This is complete nonsense.
When it comes to novices, the rider is important, but it also has a LOT to do with the bike. It's all a matter of having room for error. A 1krr give you very little room for error. A 600SS gives your more room for error, but still not enough for a novice. A 250-500 will give a TON more room for error. All bikes suffer the same inherent dangers from being a motorcycle, but that's not the whole story.
Here's a really simple question for you : You really think that if they gave everyone 600SS bikes, or 1krr bikes at MSF classes, they would all complete with as few incidents as they do now on the little 250's???? If you do I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. How can you possible say "a novice rider is less likely to risk injury if they ride a smaller bike, that is simply not true"???? If you really believe this, then you are clueless and would do everyone a favor to STOP giving them advice now!
Some people will still complete the class (i.e. yes, it can be done, as surviving people on this board have proven), but I'll bet a lot of people will be carried away from the classes in ambulances.
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ORIGINAL: AZ1000rr
The 1krr can be ridden by anyone, provided 1) they don't fear the bike 2) they respect the power and 3) they take their time getting to know the bike and improve there skill.
All those will reduce their chances of being involved in an incident. But you're missing #4 which is : 4) Nothing unexpected happens which requires you to react in such a way as to put you in danger by giving the wrong inputs to the bike due to lack of experience (forgive the run-on - I have little time for editting).
You have control over 1, 2 and 3... but very little control over 4.
In summary..
There's nothing anyone can do to stop someone from buying a bike, but we can sure as heck try our hardest to convince them otherwise, in the interest of their safety. I'm sick of hearing crap from others saying "awww, he wants the bike real bad.. don't hurt his feelings".
If you're serious on the decision you make, here's a pretty good article on why starting big (600+) is bad : http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?t=262785
Also, I tend
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/16/2006 7:54:26 PM
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SirJAG
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ZZZ111,
i understand a lot of what you said. However, i think you could have been just a tad more friendly about saying it. this is a very old argument, and everyone has an opinion. i have personally met and trained people on many bikes including my wife. Some were on 1000cc others 750cc but most were on 600cc. (all sportbike mind you) and none of them have had any messups to date. The thing that i think sets them apart is A LOT OF ONE ON ONE TRAINING and personal attention. When i talk to people i always tell them yes, they could start out on a 1000cc and problebly be just fine, provided that they excersize a little damn self control and dont think they know it all after 1000miles. in my opinion it always come down to maturity. (did i spell that right?) and more often than not, if they ask the question, then they mostly likely have the dicipline to stay with in their limits.
lastly lets all keep it friendly shall we?
(p.s. for thoes that care, i taught my wife, who has never ridden a motorcycle on a new R6. i choose that bike becuase i felt it had the least low end and midrange power of all the 600's and thats where she is dirving 99.9% of the time. and your right ZZZ, for her i was more worried of just mistakenly hitting to much throttle in a turn. For her, yes a 1000cc bike would be totally out of the question.)
james
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/16/2006 9:50:34 PM
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bglover
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In the beginning, assorted dirtbikes from 90cc 4-strokes to 250 2-strokes
First on pavement w/ Honda CB 175, then CB750 on to CBX 6-cyl.
Now 954RR - Even the CBX pales in comparison to sheer acceleration of this bike and I have found
a very healthy sense of respect for this bike is required to pilot it in commuting.
Bottom line is, you can get hurt on any bike - but bikes with liter engines sure can make it easier.
Keep the rpm's below 5k for awhile and good luck !
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RE: ADVICE PLEASE: 600 or 1000? - 8/17/2006 11:03:05 AM
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YellowJacket1000RR
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Every time I sit on my CBR1000RR I'm reminded of what happens to my students when I'm teaching them how to fly radio controlled airplanes. Nobody in our club ever crashed a plane while learning how to fly. They start losing planes a few months after they've solo'd and graduated and gotten just past the anxiety phase of taking off and landing, and are starting to hot-dog their planes around trying to do aerobatics for fun. Hell, I lost my first two planes doing that sh*t myself after I solo'd. They start losing planes when they think they know it all. I don't ever want to let myself think I know all about my literbike as a result.
That's why I don't wreak any more planes, and how I intend to prevent wreaking my nice CBR.
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