RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/21/2006 3:21:29 PM
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Mine was the 87-88 type, but I thought the title stated 89 - doesn't matter it was the original hurricane with the 140 rear tire.
thanks, Pat
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/21/2006 3:55:28 PM
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skruvis
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Yes your right, they where definitly competetive during the first years. My old CBR is although fast enough to envy many sport bike riders. Maybe, just maybe, I'll take it to Gelleråsen this sunday where Bike magazine subscribes are allowed to use the track. Havn't decided finally yet, but with the suspension retuned today, which was a great improvement and took away the understeer at corner entrance, I might change plans and take the thrusty old Honda. It's no competition anyway, just for pleasure (I almost beleived that myself...)
Hehe.. I got a friend with an YZFR1000 Thunderace -98 and he has problem trying to outrun me in the topspeed.. and that is strange I can´t get over 265km/h.
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No Blackbird in U.S. after 2003.
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www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/press/1999/1999press.html
The CBR1000F 1999 press material..
www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/press/1999/1999_CBR1000F.PDF
The Blackbird was from 1997 - And still going strong.
Ok... strange behaving by Honda I think.
www.hondamc.com/homc/templates/Model____2783.aspx
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/21/2006 5:27:25 PM
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"Hehe.. I got a friend with an YZFR1000 Thunderace -98 and he has problem trying to outrun me in the topspeed.. and that is strange I can´t get over 265km/h."
There is almost always a faster gear to activate....BTW, the old CBR should indicate about 280 km/h top speed, that would be a real speed at 255 km/h according to my GPS. The missing 15 km/h on your bike could be caused by a slipping clutch.
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/21/2006 6:40:09 PM
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"Hehe.. I got a friend with an YZFR1000 Thunderace -98 and he has problem trying to outrun me in the topspeed.. and that is strange I can´t get over 265km/h."
There is almost always a faster gear to activate....BTW, the old CBR should indicate about 280 km/h top speed, that would be a real speed at 255 km/h according to my GPS. The missing 15 km/h on your bike could be caused by a slipping clutch.
Yeaa.. the clutch .. he is doing 265km/h@10500rpm .. slipping clutch then?
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/22/2006 3:31:17 AM
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"Hehe.. I got a friend with an YZFR1000 Thunderace -98 and he has problem trying to outrun me in the topspeed.. and that is strange I can´t get over 265km/h."
There is almost always a faster gear to activate....BTW, the old CBR should indicate about 280 km/h top speed, that would be a real speed at 255 km/h according to my GPS. The missing 15 km/h on your bike could be caused by a slipping clutch.
Yeaa.. the clutch .. he is doing 265km/h@10500rpm .. slipping clutch then?
If the reading is 265@10500 on the gauges it could be that the clutchs slips but I can not say for sure, some work has to be done first. The wind resistance is very high at those speeds, so a weak clutch could be slipping. My bike shows 280 km/h on the speedo when it runs 255 km/h according to GPS. It would go a few km's faster since it was still increasing speed slowly, but I had to slow down due to bumps on the road.
To be able to tell more for sure about your bike, the following is needed:
- Speed reading calibrated by GPS, or if you can estimate the misreading some other way.
- Be sure that the rpm gauge reads correct. Even cheap digital engine diagnose instruments, like Biltema stuff, often has a built in rpm meter which normally is quite accurate since it just count pulses and not converts from pulses to a analogue reading like the stock meter. I beleive that the CBR rpm gauge reading is fairly OK, so you can probably skip the calibration if you have the same impression about your rpm gauge. To be real sure, you need to calibrate.
- The gearing, does it has stock 17/43 gearing (I belive that is was it should be on your bike) or something else?
- The rear tyre dimension and profile
After getting the data above, you can calculate what the top speed with your gearing and tyres should be at 10500 rpm and compare with the calibrated achieved top speed and see if there was a clutch slip. Trips from Australia posted a very useful Excel based gear/speed calculator in another thread earlier. See http://www.cbrforum.com/m_56038/tm.htm
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/22/2006 4:17:00 AM
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Hmm the rear tyre on the bike is a 160/60-17 and according to the calculater the topspeed should be 262km/h.. if I change the rear tyre to the correct one 140/80-17 the calculater shows that the topspeed should be 275km/h..
But I have some problem with slipping clutch, if I run the engine with shell advance the clutch slipps when the engine is warm, but if I run the engine with SBK racing the clutch slipps when it´s cold but not when it´s warm (maybe there is the problem in very high speeds it´s hard to feel the slipping perhaps?) .. but I have changed the springs to heavier and are going to go over to a semi-syntetic oil Bel-Ray EXP 20w/50 the other 2 I tryed is full syntetic oils... i´ll check the clutch visualy this afteroon i think and change the oil to Bel-Ray (it´s time for the oil change anyway)..
Front sprocket: 17
Rear sprocket: 43
Rear tyre: 160/60-17
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/22/2006 4:57:58 AM
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Hello
When I compare my behaviour on the bike now compared to what I did 10 years ago it´s a big difference.
Now I don´t even dare to test the top speed, 10 years ago I did it almost every day.
What I´m saying is that the diference could be to you as a person not necessarily the bike.
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/22/2006 7:41:13 AM
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Hmm the rear tyre on the bike is a 160/60-17 and according to the calculater the topspeed should be 262km/h.. if I change the rear tyre to the correct one 140/80-17 the calculater shows that the topspeed should be 275km/h..
But I have some problem with slipping clutch, if I run the engine with shell advance the clutch slipps when the engine is warm, but if I run the engine with SBK racing the clutch slipps when it´s cold but not when it´s warm (maybe there is the problem in very high speeds it´s hard to feel the slipping perhaps?) .. but I have changed the springs to heavier and are going to go over to a semi-syntetic oil Bel-Ray EXP 20w/50 the other 2 I tryed is full syntetic oils... i´ll check the clutch visualy this afteroon i think and change the oil to Bel-Ray (it´s time for the oil change anyway)..
Front sprocket: 17
Rear sprocket: 43
Rear tyre: 160/60-17
It sounds then as it perhaps is time to replace clutch plates since you already have changed springs without full effect. If the problem remains with the new oil, which I think it will do, you can use the same oil agin after change of clutch plates if that will be done. I had problems to with the clutch to earlier and changed friction plates and springs to harder ones. I then also used Motul 300V full synthetic which is known to be gentle to wet clutches. The oil is overkill, so I now use Biltema full Synthetic Morotcycle Race oil 15W-40 when I have to pour in some more. My bike takes about 1 liter oil in 4000 km's, not a real problem but no need to waste oil for $ 25 per liter either. The Biltema I use cost less than $ 10/liter and works very well on the CBR, no slips and easy to switch gears. Bikes can be very sensitive to oil type/brand if the clutch is weak though. When you check the cluch, measure the thickness of friction plates, If I remember right they should be between 3.75 to 3.90 mm's and the service limit is 3.3 mm. Maybe it help to sand any hard glasing off gently if they are within service limit 3.3 mm, which I think they are. Mine was within new limits, I changed them anyway since I had the new friction plates at home bought from Addemoto. I use standard plates, not the Kevlar type.
Be careful when riding at high speeds, 250 km/h is perhaps more than enough on this heavy bike, and one also has to consider that the braking distance will be far longer than required at some occations.
No problem to understand your english, if you where using your native language- Skånska, I would have to hire a proffessional translator  and my own spelling includes many mistakes.
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/22/2006 8:32:23 AM
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skruvis
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Hmm the rear tyre on the bike is a 160/60-17 and according to the calculater the topspeed should be 262km/h.. if I change the rear tyre to the correct one 140/80-17 the calculater shows that the topspeed should be 275km/h..
But I have some problem with slipping clutch, if I run the engine with shell advance the clutch slipps when the engine is warm, but if I run the engine with SBK racing the clutch slipps when it´s cold but not when it´s warm (maybe there is the problem in very high speeds it´s hard to feel the 1. slipping perhaps?) .. but I have changed the springs to heavier and are going to go over to a semi-syntetic oil Bel-Ray EXP 20w/50 the other 2 I tryed is full syntetic oils... i´ll check the clutch visualy this afteroon i think and change the oil to Bel-Ray (it´s time for the oil change anyway)..
Front sprocket: 17
Rear sprocket: 43
Rear tyre: 160/60-17
1. It sounds then as it perhaps is time to replace clutch plates since you already have changed springs without full effect. If the problem remains with the new oil, which I think it will do, you can use the same oil agin after change of clutch plates if that will be done. I had problems to with the clutch to earlier and changed friction plates and springs to harder ones. I then also used Motul 300V full synthetic which is known to be gentle to wet clutches. The oil is overkill, so I now use Biltema full Synthetic Morotcycle Race oil 15W-40 when I have to pour in some more. My bike takes about 1 liter oil in 4000 km's, not a real problem but no need to waste oil for $ 25 per liter either. The Biltema I use cost less than $ 10/liter and works very well on the CBR, no slips and easy to switch gears. Bikes can be very sensitive to oil type/brand if the clutch is weak though. When you check the cluch, measure the thickness of friction plates, If I remember right they should be between 3.75 to 3.90 mm's and the service limit is 3.3 mm. Maybe it help to sand any hard glasing off gently if they are within service limit 3.3 mm, which I think they are. Mine was within new limits, I changed them anyway since I had the new friction plates at home bought from Addemoto. I use standard plates, not the Kevlar type.
2. Be careful when riding at high speeds, 250 km/h is perhaps more than enough on this heavy bike, and one also has to consider that the braking distance will be far longer than required at some occations.
3. No problem to understand your english, if you where using your native language- Skånska, I would have to hire a proffessional translator and my own spelling includes many mistakes.
1. I check the plates.. I bought my Bel-Ray oil from addemoto for 325skr/4Litres..
2. The problem i sences is probaly related to wrong tire size (160/60 is NOT the right size for this bike.).. to get the bike stable i have to put in 3.1bar to the rear tire and ~2.7bar in the front tire (im little heavy. 95-100kg). little unstability around 250-255.. I missed the tirepressure i think it was in 2004 and drove (tryed) the bike with following pressures - rear 1.5bar - Front 1bar.. and guys that is an adventure trying to reach highspeeds, trust me...
3. lol..
Edit. The inner friction plate is ~3.5mm thick and all other is 3.7-3.8mm thick and the service limits for them all is 3.1mm.. i noticed that steelplates are ~2mm thick all of them.
Edit2: Sydney?
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RE: 89 hurricane vs 96 cbr1000 - 7/22/2006 9:20:31 AM
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Hello
When I compare my behaviour on the bike now compared to what I did 10 years ago it´s a big difference.
Now I don´t even dare to test the top speed, 10 years ago I did it almost every day.
What I´m saying is that the diference could be to you as a person not necessarily the bike.
That's certainly a possibility. After 7 years I was a little rusty, but the bike definitely feels different. I need to check tire pressures before I ride it again. Also, this bike has the "gun fighter and the lady" corbin seat which is much more comfortable than the stock seat on my 88, but I sit a little lower as well which might add to the different steering feeling. The "power race" tires seem to be excellent all around. They don't take much to get warmed up, are not affected by pavement grooves and seem good in the rain. I'm sure they will wear off quickly since most of my riding is in a straight line (Central Illinois = flat) and I'll look for more appropriate tires then.
One thing I like about the cbr is that it's comfortable and will zoom along at 125mph (200kph) feeling like I'm going 55. The FZR1000's I've tried out are powerful and look great, but were less than practical for long distance riding. Bikes like the GSXR1100 have a great engine, but at 45 yrs old the more upright riding position is more comfortable (seems to be same riding position as the older bmw R bikes).
Thanks for all the input
Pat
PS: I probably will make at least one top speed run when I get the chain and sprockets changed, but it doesn't seem to be as big a priority in my life anymore. Though, if my life insurance didn't prohibit and I had the money, I'd love to go back to road racing a GS500E (twins class was blast)
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