RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider?
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/4/2006 7:44:32 PM
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ejohn
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you know it really just depends on the rider some can a some can't. probably the best would be to start on a smaller bike and cheaper too, so if you crash it. the f4i can rev pretty dam fast. also it is a good idea to practice stopping fast. play like someone has cut in front of you and you have to stop fast. get use to it because it happens.
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/4/2006 9:29:40 PM
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five0addict
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the f4i is my first STREET bike, so i caught on pretty quick with it being so nice and light. not even a month yet and i got over 800 miles, yikes!
if its your straight up first motorcycle, ehh that would be kinda scary. i know i wouldnt want something real nice clean and expensive to learn on. thats also why the only wheelies i do are in my sleep 
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/11/2006 11:46:18 PM
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ikhoudvanu199
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hey guys, love all the comments...i just have a few things to say about all of it...i agree that mayb a smaller bike would b better for a beginner such as myself...but i rly need a bike that i can start off on and keep for a while, and most ppl ive talked to have told me that i will quickly get tired of a 250...and believe me, i kno that a 600 will have way too much power for me to handle if i try to use all of it...but i do have the sense to not open up on it until i am completely comfortable and have plenty of experience...but im still young, and cant afford to buy a little bike, then another one in a year or two...so, ya...
again, thanks for all past and future words of wisdom...
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/12/2006 3:35:29 PM
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mikem317
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Get a small bike.
Most new riders that get a small machine, like an EX250 or EX500 can sell them for close to what they paid for them a year later. Don't underestimate the market.
There's plenty of riders that have started on 600cc machines. They're simply not as forgiving compared to their smaller-engined counterparts.
Also, since your a new, young rider, you may want to consider getting some insurance quotes.
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/12/2006 6:18:21 PM
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I love it.....
"get an older F4i, cause it doesn't have the banana seat"
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/12/2006 8:35:55 PM
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f4i or RR, don't kid yerself, older F model fer sure, been ridin an older f2 got my bearings finally for an RR
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/12/2006 9:36:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: ikhoudvanu199
most ppl ive talked to have told me that i will quickly get tired of a 250...
Ask them if they have ever owned/ridden one. Because most that tell you that are talking out of their asses. Seriously look at what the 250/500's are selling for used vs. new. You are not going to lose money if you keep it in good condition and sell smart.
If you know a 600 will have too much power, then you are halfway there. The other half is pulling the trigger and getting a EX500 or EX250. at woot mentioned above. It has nothing to do with what you consciously decide as far as inputs go. The bike is what it is. It will do what it was designed to do. That is NOT be forgiving.
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/13/2006 4:09:01 PM
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After the MSF, never rode a bike before, I rode my buddies 1000RR a few times, then bought my F4i. It wasn't the power that scared me it was the brakes and the physical size of the bike. Now my bike feels like a BMX bicycle, but compared to the 125cc bikes in the MSF when I learned it seemed big. Honestly, I felt just as comfortable on the big RR as with my F4i, they both have way too much power for a beginner and if your head isn't in the right place when you ride they both will F*** you up.
I agree that a smaller bike is a better choice than a 600 for your first bike, but to me the most important thing is your ability to not panic and control the urge to push the envelope, I guess maturity is the word I am looking for. I say get the F4i if most of you use will be basic commuting, if you have the luxury of nice curvy roads then get the RR. Either way be careful and even a little paranoid and you'll be fine.
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/28/2006 12:05:55 AM
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my f4i was my first street bike. ive been on it 7 months/ 10k miles. very easy to learn on, not to much power but enough power. and if its not fast enough add sprockets cheap! (-1, +3 for me ). but my f4i is about to fall into stunt mode when it gets colder.
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/28/2006 12:22:01 AM
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stephygee
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ORIGINAL: ikhoudvanu199
most ppl ive talked to have told me that i will quickly get tired of a 250...and believe me, i kno that a 600 will have way too much power for me to handle if i try to use all of it...but i do have the sense to not open up on it until i am completely comfortable and have plenty of experience...but im still young, and cant afford to buy a little bike, then another one in a year or two...so, ya...
Gotta agree with you there...and with the poster who said you can kill yourself just as quickly on a 250 as a 600. I've had two 250s (CBR 250RR [Japan] 2-stroke] and a Virago 250. Within two months of ownership, I was practically doing circus tricks on them. With the 250RR, I got lucky and traded up to a GSXR 400RR, and with the Virago, I ditched it on FleaBay for -$100 what I paid. The Virago I bought to teach my Mom how to ride on, but the CBR was for my pleasure .
When I had the Virago, it did fine on the freeway and such...but I quickly outgrew it. The F4i was my first "big" bike and I've pulled a few boneheaded moves on it and all I have to say is it's the most forgiving bike I've ever ridden. But that's just me.
I have a friends that has the Ninja 250 and she experienced the same phenomenon...wanting a bigger bike within a few months. Keep in mind, she's a seriously newbie rider and says this.
I'm a believer in starting small as well, but personal experience makes me agree that you'll outgrow the bike in a few months, and you can kill yourself on a 250 just as quickly as a 600. I highly recommend you take the basic MSF course in any case, and after a few months of riding, take the advanced course.
Good luck.
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RE: compare RR and F4i for new rider? - 8/28/2006 3:13:45 AM
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charlos
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I'd elect for the F4i over ther rr for a first bike.
but what's even better is an older CBR or a 250/500. It seems like it'd be boring, or not as fast, or just not as cool to roll up to the local bike night on that antiquated looking ninja 250, or a rashed up F2, but forget what people think.
You're gonna drop the bike. It's gonna cost you money to make your brand new F4i look brand new again. A 93 F2 could just be puttied, sanded, and rattlecanned for $50 bucks (unless you're lucky enough to find one with good condition OEM graphics), and it's gonna look as good as when you bought it. It's also gonna maintain it's market price much better than a new bike--the second you drive off the lot, it's going to cost you at least 1000 bucks. The second you drop it, it'll cost you even more. It just doesn't make financial sense. I bought my F2 for 1400 bucks. Threw a couple hundred at it and sold it for 1700 bucks. People are always looking for cheap starter bikes.
So a used F4i, maybe even with krylon sponsored graphics might be up your alley...I just got my F4i a couple of weeks ago. I was on that rashed up high mileage F2, which was fast enough, honestly--now i'm doing triple digits on this thing without even realizing it (and i'm not someone who likes to ride at 100 mph). There are times where i'm a little sloppy on the throttle or with the clutch, or with the brakes, and the F4i lets me know. The F2 just sort of hinted at it. It's not just a matter of self control.
There are a lot of guys here who i'm sure started on the F4i, and it's a better bike to start on than say, a R6, and i'm sure they all think the F4i is a great starter bike. It is a great starter bike. But there are better starter bikes. Also, anyone who says that you're gonna outgrow a 250/500/old 600 probably couldn't ride one of those bikes to close to 25% of their potential. remember that the bike will always be faster than you.
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