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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 1:57:30 PM

mikequinn

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Trust me cooling systems DONT NEED LUB' its just another gimmic.
I've been in the trade for 26+ yrs and never heard such rubbish
The purpose of the seal in the water pump & gland is pre sealed to keep water out of the engine, & oil out of the cooling system
It dosent need lub'
your just wasting money on worthless products

WaterWetter® is a unique wetting agent for cooling systems which reduces coolant temperatures by as much as 30ºF. This liquid product can be used to provide rust and corrosion protection in plain water for racing engines, which provides much better heat transfer properties than glycol-based antifreeze. Or it can be added to new or used antifreeze to improve the heat transfer of ethylene and propylene glycol systems. Designed for modern aluminum, cast iron, copper, brass and bronze systems. Compatible with all antifreezes, including the latest long-life variations.

nothing to do with lubing any parts
I always do my research.
it does exactly the same thing as antifreeze,

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 2:16:35 PM

yipperzz

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here's a good test someone has done with water wetter. you're not wasting that much money. and it's not worthless. i saw another test with water vs. water/water wetter and the WW combo performed a little better than just plain water alone.

http://www.water-cooling.com/articles/waterwetter/waterwetter.php

there are many people who use it w/o any problems. if this product was as useless as you think it is, nobody would be using it.

edit: by perform better i mean, the temps were lower. sorry...

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 2:26:24 PM

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didnt mean to start a fire here...nice find yipperzz. so what is the difference between using engine ice or water wetter?

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 3:47:42 PM

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nice research, looks like you just went to the site and cut and pasted their claims.

i've used it for quite some time now...and i've seen with my own eyes what it has done, the differences between using it alone and using water alone, using coolant, etc. my research somes from personal experience using the stuff and others who have used the stuff.
have you used it at all? i don't think so, because you fear it's a waste of money...

at $7 for a small bottle, and needing only 3-4 capfuls for the bike's cooling system, i'd hardly call that expensive!

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 4:36:34 PM

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Engine Ice is good down to -27 degrees........Water Wetter and water will FREEZE.

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 4:50:27 PM

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If your lowering the runnin temp your accelerating engine wear ,FACT anyone with any mechanical savvy will tell you all engine wear is caused before the engine reaches it's optimal temp' so why lower the temp, thats another myth, what "water wetter" mean is it raises the boiling point. Just like eythol antifreeze, does exactly the same thing
yes i did copy and paste the script, but you said it lubs', lubs what???????? there' s nothing to lub' in the cooling system
next you'll be telling me you put it in the cental heating system of your home to lube the boiler what aload of trash!!!!
and while your at it lub the taps on the basin too hahahahahahahaha,

realisticly they are gimmics just like so called octane booser

distilled water and antifreeze 50/50 will last you longer and you'll have no problems with your cooling system.. oh and it's cheaper toooooooooooooo!!!!

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 4:52:39 PM

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you actually saw inside the water jacket of your cooling system with you own eyes????????
if I could do that I would have made a million by now, in preventative maintanance

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 5:28:55 PM

yipperzz

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mikequinn

distilled water and antifreeze 50/50 will last you longer and you'll have no problems with your cooling system.. oh and it's cheaper toooooooooooooo!!!!

most tracks won't allow you to run with antifreeze. and how cheap are you where you can't afford a 7 dollar bottle that lasts forever? since you've been in the business for that many years, i'm sure you make enough money where you can buy 1 bottle. it's not like octane booster where you throw in a whole bottle and then you have to buy a new one when you're done. you put in a few CAPS in and you're done.

here's an article from a guy with a phd in heat transfer. he addresses your statements about lowering running temps and increasing the boiling point
http://e30m3performance.com/myths/more_myths1/Water_Wetter/water_wetter.htm

everyone can argue all day and i'm sure it won't change your opinion on this. so that's all i have to say... you guys can use whatever you want. it's not my problem. just don't crash in front of me on the track if you're running antifreeze.

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 6:22:39 PM

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quote:

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just don't crash in front of me on the track if you're running antifreeze.

it doesn't matter mang...because you don't need spilled antifreeze to make you crash at the track...LOL...

actually water wetter is like $7 for 12 oz...you use roughly 4 capfuls for the whole cooling sytem...so it can last you a long long time...distilled water is very cheap. so together, much cheaper than coolant.

no you don't run it if you live in freezing climate areas.

i'm not a mechanic, i'm an avid enthusiast...i get my tricks, info, etc. from riders, racers and other DIY people. but i know enough to take great care of my bike...and a 40K, she still runs strong and great...only cooling problem i've had has been attributed to air bubbles and busted cooling fins...

how about i send you the rest of yipperzz bottle to test it out? i don't think you've ever tried it...ever...so why not run it and see what it does for you before you bash it?

i won't tell you what to do to your house or anything of the like...i really couldn't care less...

yes octane booster is a load of crap...i agree with you there.

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 6:39:02 PM

yipperzz

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tahoe SC

quote:

ORIGINAL: yipperzz
just don't crash in front of me on the track if you're running antifreeze.

it doesn't matter mang...because you don't need spilled antifreeze to make you crash at the track...LOL...

actually water wetter is like $7 for 12 oz...you use roughly 4 capfuls for the whole cooling sytem...so it can last you a long long time...distilled water is very cheap. so together, much cheaper than coolant.

no you don't run it if you live in freezing climate areas.

i'm not a mechanic, i'm an avid enthusiast...i get my tricks, info, etc. from riders, racers and other DIY people. but i know enough to take great care of my bike...and a 40K, she still runs strong and great...only cooling problem i've had has been attributed to air bubbles and busted cooling fins...

how about i send you the rest of yipperzz bottle to test it out? i don't think you've ever tried it...ever...so why not run it and see what it does for you before you bash it?

i won't tell you what to do to your house or anything of the like...i really couldn't care less...

yes octane booster is a load of crap...i agree with you there.

you're a bastard...

but yeah. i already crash on my own, so don't give me another reason to crash.

and save me a few cap-fuls for the new bike and i will gladly donate the rest of my bottle to him to try out.

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/24/2006 11:39:29 PM

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so tahoe and yipperzz, you guys only use the water wetter? or do you live in freezing climates and switch to antifreeze in the winter?

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/25/2006 12:32:21 AM

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no, we're in socal, just water and water wetter.

regardless of what you choose to use, just make sure you make and informed decision and be very indifferent with it until you see it for yourself as to what works and what doesn't.

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/25/2006 12:35:56 AM

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if you live in cold temps i wouldn't use what we do. it never gets colder than 65 out here. i've never used engine ice before but if it doesn't freeze, that could be a good alternative. even water/antifreeze/ww can still be cooler than water/antifreeze alone.

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/25/2006 4:45:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tahoe SC

yea water wicks away heat the best but water itself doesn't have the nice lubricating properties that WW provides...so i'd use some water wetter with it as some cheap insurance...or else your seals and sea lions in your system and other stuff that need some lubricating may be hurting later.

seems like we've gone off track here, the whole reason this argument / debate went on was because of this quote saying it was a lube' for the cooling system! and it isn't

each to there own use what you like for me i couldn't care less
i'm only offering my advice & experience,

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RE: Flushing Cooling System...?s - 8/25/2006 9:41:26 AM

rrasco

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quote:

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if you live in cold temps i wouldn't use what we do. it never gets colder than 65 out here. i've never used engine ice before but if it doesn't freeze, that could be a good alternative. even water/antifreeze/ww can still be cooler than water/antifreeze alone.

well, im in south texas, as it normally doesnt get cold very long, when it does, we can get well below freezing, so i guess when that comes around ill put the engine ice in, sounds like water wetter ill be using for now, thanks again guys...all of you.

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