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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 4/30/2007 12:07:31 PM
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Head to the other side, and repeat the process. On the shift side, you will have to adjust the shift linkage. Here's a picture of how mine ended up, post adjustment. The small mark on the shaft indicates the stock location of the linkage arm (the mark lines up with the gap)
WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any position other than the stock location will cause extra wear on your tranny components (e.g. geardogs, shift forks). This can end up being a very costly mod in the end. My buddy did something similar and he ended up spending $800 to get his tranny fixed.
If you...
1. Make sure and retain the stock notch position, and hence the same leverage and gear selection process...I don't see how this could have a problem.
Meaning, if the shifter is the same point to point...just a theoretical example below:
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Also, buddy of your's, aka some unknown rider, of unknown riding and shifting techniques and qualities does not equate to making this a bad mod.
I'm not convinced of one guy doing this...and subsequently (and coincidentally) having to have his tranny replaced.
I'm sure this mod does not make the guys who make rearsets for a living are too happy... ...but that's the beauty of the internet...
SHARING KNOWLEDGE.
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 4/30/2007 12:17:41 PM
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ignore this
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 4/30/2007 12:32:54 PM
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If you...
1. Make sure and retain the stock notch position, and hence the same leverage and gear selection process...I don't see how this could have a problem.
Meaning, if the shifter is the same point to point...just a theoretical example below:
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BMG, we are saying the same thing!!!!
If the dot ("original mark" in the pic above) does not line up with the "slit" in the gearshift arm, you're going to to cause extra wear on tranny parts.
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Also, buddy of your's, aka some unknown rider, of unknown riding and shifting techniques and qualities does not equate to making this a bad mod.
I'm not convinced of one guy doing this...and subsequently (and coincidentally) having to have his tranny replaced.
Whatever 
you can believe me, you cannot. My statement still holds true. This is no different than reading some other post (of people you don't know) and taking their word for it (or not).
< Message edited by abadfish -- 4/30/2007 12:35:24 PM >
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 4/30/2007 1:00:28 PM
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If you...
1. Make sure and retain the stock notch position, and hence the same leverage and gear selection process...I don't see how this could have a problem.
Meaning, if the shifter is the same point to point...just a theoretical example below:
/______\
BMG, we are saying the same thing!!!!
If the dot ("original mark" in the pic above) does not line up with the "slit" in the gearshift arm, you're going to to cause extra wear on tranny parts.
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Also, buddy of your's, aka some unknown rider, of unknown riding and shifting techniques and qualities does not equate to making this a bad mod.
I'm not convinced of one guy doing this...and subsequently (and coincidentally) having to have his tranny replaced.
Whatever
you can believe me, you cannot. My statement still holds true. This is no different than reading some other post (of people you don't know) and taking their word for it (or not).
1. Exactly why I said that you need to retain the stock gear linkage and stock notch.
You can do this by lengthening or modding the shifter bar AFTER you have your pegs where you want them.
I'm going to try it...and will let people know of any problems...
2. Fair enough...
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 4/30/2007 10:53:29 PM
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changing the position of an arm on a lever is not going to effect the work that is done to it as long as the force upon that lever is the same
so in return... if the distance from the lever arm to the shifter is the same they are putting the same amount of effort into the lever which WILL NOT make any difference insdie your gear box
learn your physics before you start a rant
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 4/30/2007 11:07:45 PM
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changing the position of an arm on a lever is not going to effect the work that is done to it as long as the force upon that lever is the same
so in return... if the distance from the lever arm to the shifter is the same they are putting the same amount of effort into the lever which WILL NOT make any difference insdie your gear box
No, that is not right.
The piece with the dot on it (I don't know what its called) needs to move a certain amount. It can only move that amount when the dot is aligned to the slit on the gearshift arm. This is why the service manual explicitly states to make sure the dot and the slit are aligned. Any deviation from that then either the upshift or the downshift will not get the full range of motion that is required and will, thus, cause extra wear on your tranny components.
If what you said was true, then the aftermarket rearset and rearset adapter kits wouldn't come with the longer gearshift rod that they come with.
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learn your physics before you start a rant
Learn your mechanics before you rant
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 1:17:57 AM
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ok...
thats why he moved the lever!!
if he kept it where it was at, the shifter definatly wouldnt move as much as it should.
stop trying to fool proof this thing and talking to ppl like their idiots... if ur smart enough to know how a gear shift lever works... ur not gonna have any problem moving it to where it should be after moving your rearsets
guess u wouldnt happen to know that i custom made all the shift linkage for my Jeep transmission? stop making it sound like rocket science
and disclaimers like which honda provided in the service manual is only there to cover their ass if some retard puts it on ass backwards
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 1:23:56 AM
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How am I trying to fool proof this??????? I merely pointing out something in error that can be costly down the road.
And I never claimed this was rocket science.
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 1:32:33 AM
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Whoa guys simmer down...
JV: abad was just emphasizing the point that bmg had made that you need to have the same pin-slash alignment. If they aren't properly aligned you don't get the same amount of rotation that you would with the stock setup, which is why rearsets include a different size rod, so that the alignment during rotation is the same.
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 1:34:56 AM
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yeh, well said
but i just think its funny cuz he will say im wrong but repeat what i even just stated in different wording
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 1:37:45 AM
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yeh, well said
but i just think its funny cuz he will say im wrong but repeat what i even just stated in different wording
And when have I done that?!?!?!?!??
If I think you're wrong on something, why would I try to make it my own statement.
If you're going to accuse me of something, please show some evidence to support your accusation.
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RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 1:44:31 AM
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No, that is not right.
Any deviation from that then either the upshift or the downshift will not get the full range of motion that is required and will, thus, cause extra wear on your tranny components.
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they are putting the same amount of effort into the lever which WILL NOT make any difference inside your gear box
sorry when i said effort, i meant work/force/movement which ever term u find easier to understand
no lets all stfu and get sum sleep 
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