RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive rearsets...
Login  | |
|
RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 2:18:26 AM
|
|
|
JVracer04
Posts: 184
Joined: 1/2/2006
From: Houston, TX
Status: offline
|
no sh!t... which is why uve been saying the same thing i have for the past 5 posts yet saying im wrong
i think u.. the dot... and the slash should get a room 
_____________________________
MySpace
''''03 CBR 600F4i
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 2:41:48 AM
|
|
|
abadfish
Posts: 771
Joined: 6/26/2005
Status: offline
|
If I've been saying the same thing as you, why are you telling me I'm wrong. 
Yes, the dot, the slash, and I should get a room. whatever.
_____________________________
'05 600RR Purple/Black
 
|
|
|
|
|
RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 11:05:34 AM
|
|
|
jjbtao
Posts: 202
Joined: 7/10/2006
Status: offline
|
Wow... just read all of this. Quite the development. Here's my take on it:
The shift lever itself is a floating element. Its position and range of motion are determined by the linkage that connects to the shaft that goes into the tranny, not the other way around. If there were limits on the lever's travel, i.e., specific endpoints for the travel on the shifter itself, it makes total sense that by moving the shift lever you're going to affect the amount of rotation that occurs on the shaft itself.
This, however, is not the case. When I originally did this mod, I thought about all of this. Therefore, I tested it. I looked at precisely how much the shaft rotated each way in both positions and determined that it is the same, regardless of lever position, since again, the lever's center and end positions are determined by the position of the shaft, not vice versa.(obviously when shifting, the lever controls the rotation of the shaft, but at the end of the range of motion it is the shaft that hits the enpoint first, not the lever--If you don't believe it, go pull the linkage off yours and watch the lever fall limp. I hope this all makes sense!)
I understand the manufacturer warning against things like this, just like they warn against removing factory signals or undertails. Manufacturers don't like consumers screwing with their products.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 12:19:19 PM
|
|
|
Tahoe SC
Posts: 5795
Joined: 8/24/2005
Status: offline
|
no sense in educating those who refuse to learn abad...
if you are all speaking on the same terms the stop insulting one another and hug.
as far as my take on this...is...mess with it yourself and you'll know. there shouldn't be much tension at the spindle end and should resemble as close to 90 degrees as possible for maximum (easiest) shifting.
ride around with your foot resting on the shift lever, giving it just enough tension so as to be more than if there was no load on it, but right before it shifts...and see what happens to the tranny after some time. this would = badly adjusted shift rod (only if the spindle had too much tension on it).
i run gp style without the cover so i don't give a rat's ass about lining the schiznit up...and it has nothing to do with standard manufacturer's warnings, etc...as abad said, that's why if you buy aftermarket rearsets and rearset adaptors, it comes with a longer shift rod to allow you to remain within manufacturer's specs...
< Message edited by Tahoe SC -- 5/1/2007 12:20:22 PM >
_____________________________
Admit it...you love my siggy...
"Let the ignorance die with the ignorant" - Tahoe SC
|
|
|
|
|
RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 12:52:33 PM
|
|
|
JVracer04
Posts: 184
Joined: 1/2/2006
From: Houston, TX
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: abadfish
If I've been saying the same thing as you, why are you telling me I'm wrong.
Yes, the dot, the slash, and I should get a room. whatever.
no u havent been... u have the same idea yet u claim "the dot" and the "slash" have to be ligned up in order to achieve the correct force on the spindle
plain and simple... if u move ur rearset lever(not the peg) up and back 1"
...then ur gonna have to move the lever arm on the spinle up and back 1"
which jjbtao just said
and sorry, i cant take anyone seriously who writes in purple font
_____________________________
MySpace
''''03 CBR 600F4i
|
|
|
|
|
RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/1/2007 6:52:24 PM
|
|
|
jjbtao
Posts: 202
Joined: 7/10/2006
Status: offline
|
ahhh, so after re-reading all of this, I think I've made sense of the confusion. The manufacturer warns against misaligning the linkage. I'm certain there's one reason for this:
If you were to leave the rearsets in their original position and misalign the linkage, then yes, there would not be enough range of motion (one way or another) in the lever to allow proper shifting. This would likely (in a best-case scenario) cause binding in one direction (as if your toe was resting on the shifter, like Tahoe's example) and an incomplete engagement in the other direction (like a never-ending missed shift, ready to pop out of gear). Either of these would be bad, for certain. In a worst-case scenario, one I believe is even more likely, your shift lever will end up in an entirely unusable position, or perhaps one that isn't even mountable.
However, doing this sort of mod throws all that out the window.
When you remove everything, do the modification to the rearset that I did, be smart about it and be sure that nothing binds and the full range of motion is accomplished, there's really nothing to worry about. No unusual stress is created whatsoever. Shift up, shift down, the spindle is happy.
I appreciate the warning that was brought up just as I appreciated Tahoe's concerns about the strength of it early on. It's nice to know we're all looking out for eachother in the quest for knowledge and understanding.
I also appreciate Tahoe's latest comment, "mess with it yourself and you'll know." That's a rule to live by.
< Message edited by jjbtao -- 5/1/2007 6:55:37 PM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/2/2007 11:10:28 AM
|
|
|
Tahoe SC
Posts: 5795
Joined: 8/24/2005
Status: offline
|
yes i remember my concerns regarding the strength of the set up. i think as long as it's cranked tight and loctite on or whatever, unless bish was doing motocross jumps or weighed like a ton...should be ok.
personally, aside from aligning the line and the dot, i've noticed that i get best shifting force when the linkage forms as close to 90 degrees as possible (but hard to do since as you adjust the shifter itself, the spindle gets pulled or pushed one way and then it's all off again, blah blah blah). i would attach at the spindle side last and try to get as close as possible...but now i've gone reverse shift so nothing lines up! i just make sure that there isn't any tension on the spindle at all.
now everyone go mess with it yourself...
and let's GROUP HUG AND KISS AND MAKE UP***
***make up S3x optional
< Message edited by Tahoe SC -- 5/2/2007 11:11:07 AM >
_____________________________
Admit it...you love my siggy...
"Let the ignorance die with the ignorant" - Tahoe SC
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RE: F4i Rearset Lift: Alternative to silly-expensive re... - 5/2/2007 6:56:17 PM
|
|
|
JVracer04
Posts: 184
Joined: 1/2/2006
From: Houston, TX
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Tahoe SC
yes i remember my concerns regarding the strength of the set up. i think as long as it's cranked tight and loctite on or whatever, unless bish was doing motocross jumps or weighed like a ton...should be ok.
personally, aside from aligning the line and the dot, i've noticed that i get best shifting force when the linkage forms as close to 90 degrees as possible (but hard to do since as you adjust the shifter itself, the spindle gets pulled or pushed one way and then it's all off again, blah blah blah). i would attach at the spindle side last and try to get as close as possible...but now i've gone reverse shift so nothing lines up! i just make sure that there isn't any tension on the spindle at all.
now everyone go mess with it yourself...
and let's GROUP HUG AND KISS AND MAKE UP***
***make up S3x optional
hey how much did u get the GP shift kit for? and does it take a while to get used to?
_____________________________
MySpace
''''03 CBR 600F4i
|
|
|
|
|
Printable Version
