Shifting without clutching
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/8/2006 8:42:41 PM
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angryscientist
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my bike shifts the same way, i kind of wondered if there was anything wrong with upshifting this way...
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/8/2006 11:20:02 PM
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rippn
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It shifted smoothly... probably 'cause it dosen't have a history, of clutchless shifts... make sense???
Gear engagement dogs, shift forks, clutch, crank, bearings, rear hub rubber cushions, chains spockets,cct's everything has to take from a small, to a large increase, in abuse. When it comes time to resell, or trade in... it will cost you cubic $$$$$$$ , If it lasts that long...
Price a gearbox lately??? Just not worth it...IMHO. Clean and free, Ripp'n
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/9/2006 2:09:30 PM
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Nelson
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No problem with clutchless changes up thru the box. Just ease off the throttle slightly at the same time as shifting the gear lever up. Personally, I use the clutch for 1st to 2nd, and 2nd to 3rd. After that I go clutchless. If I'm taking things easy and riding with less acceleration thru the gears I use the clutch to smooth things out.
I wouldn't recommend clutchless changes down thru the box though.
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/9/2006 8:22:25 PM
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sceptre
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Not being a smart a** but it has a clutch for a reason.
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/10/2006 4:23:35 AM
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nikos
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Here's my $.02...
The clutch is designed to take the force off of the transmission when you're shifting. Although shifting can be done without the clutch, I'm thinking more force will be going through the transmission than it was designed to take and it will wear out sooner as well as wear out the syncros faster. How much sooner?? Well, I don't work at Honda, so I haven't tested it, but I figure it's not worth the $$ to find out.
Sidenote: Most newer cars and motorcycles have good enough syncros in the tranmission to be able to be shifted without clutching.
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/10/2006 10:00:46 AM
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telepathboy
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As long as you unload the system (i.e., roll off the throttle slightly) before shifting, it will not harm your transmission in any way, whatsoever. Obviously it's a lot harder to go into a lower gear this way and since you don't want to grind it, its not generally recommended. Think about race bikes with electric shifters. As soon as the racer clicks the shifter, it momentarily cuts the ignition which unloads the systems and allows for a clean shift without the clutch. You are essentially doing the same thing as you roll off the throttle. At high rpms, its a little harder on the gearbox but for crusing around, it won't hurt anything. Motorcycle transmissions don't use synchronizers so you wouldn't have to worry about wearing them out.
Honda's have great gearboxes, there is nothing wrong with your bike. Believe me, if you owned an older suzuki with a clunky gearbox that missed gears and found false nuetrals, you'd realize how good it is to have a smooth, accurate gear box!
< Message edited by telepathboy -- 9/10/2006 10:06:17 AM >
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/21/2006 8:10:15 PM
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SsjChrisKo
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Not even going to reply about the actual topic lol.
It is sad that a majority of the questions asked on this site are from people with a very tiny amount of riding experience....
AGAIN.... READ READ READ.
You are riding a Preformance LITERbike and asking questions like a 8 year old on his first dirtbike...
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/21/2006 9:23:40 PM
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wow I gues that makes me a loser huh... thanks for joining the site we will all bow before you in your mighty motorcycle knowledge
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/21/2006 9:37:04 PM
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nikos
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Wow, do you need to be an a-hole today? Let a guy ask a question, it's not going to cramp your style any.
vpsophmore... I bow at your side while paying homage to the almighty.
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/21/2006 10:53:37 PM
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SsjChrisKo
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Yes vpsophmore i guess that makes you a loser.... and im glad everyone one on this site will bow to my knowledge.... even the riders with tons more than me.... your logical reasoning is matched only by your track skills.
And yes nikos i guess him asking a senseless question isnt going to cramp my so called style.... whatever that is susposed to mean.
BUT i find it quite odd that he would post his senseless question on a FORUM instead of atleast bothering to Google his question.....
Plz come to his side to defend him... writing these posts does take up a few seconds here and there, which help pass the time.
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/21/2006 11:32:05 PM
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angryscientist
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Quit being a dick, this is what forums are for. At least he didn't ask how to change his oil.
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/22/2006 9:58:50 AM
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vpsophmore
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So far you have failed to impress me oh great one... I see that you have 3 posts so far, and if anyone else even bothered to read the other one let me spare you some time: surprise he was a dick in his first post too)
Why did you join this forum if you are so much more experienced than everyone? Did you come here to make everyone's questions seem worthless? Or did you just come here to try to make yourself feel better about how you ride.
Let me give you some advice, we here at the CBRForum respect one another, and if you don't want to play by the rules then you aren't wanted here. I joined this forum because I love riding my bike. I love everything about motorcycles, and I know that there are people in the world who feel the same way. We all congregate on this site, most of us more than once a day, just to see what other questions and experiences our friends have had.
It's no surprise to me that there are people who ride motorcycles to try to compensate for their lack of confidence. It is no surprise to me that people try to make it look like they have way more experience than they actually do. It's no surprise to me that you are coming down on the first two people you reply to like a dick becuase you are the perfect example of the type of people I have just described
Go away or get with it.
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/22/2006 11:03:49 AM
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bobjoezx
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all just need to clam down and yes he is right.. 3 posts.. you dont have any credibiity on this site, nor have you proven your knowledge or riding abilty to anyone, and even if you know all the questions to these posts, you didn't at one time, so let people ask their questions so they can know more about their joy of riding, my advice is.. their is a clutch for a reason, no you dont "need" to use it i guess but why woudn't you, anywayz have a good day to all
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RE: Shifting without clutching - 9/22/2006 11:41:22 AM
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Black
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The 954 should have a constant mesh transmission. I dont know much about their trannies, but if it's a newer sportbike, it will have a constant mesh tranny meaning it is NO PROBLEM upshifting w/o the clutch as long as you are accelerating.
Crusing around, use the clutch.
Drag strip, probably not.
Downshifting, always blip the throttle to rev match. (cornering, coming to a stop)
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