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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/17/2006 10:53:02 PM
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ikhoudvanu199
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haha, ya, my friend let me sit on his kawasaki GSX-R and just sitting on it for a minute made my ass hurt...plus his gf riding on that 4 inch by 4 inch piece of "foam" on the tail aint too comfy for her either
Wow! Where can I find such a bike?
haha...ok, lets pretend i never said that...i meant suzuki...honest...o well, its not a honda, wats it matter? lol
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/18/2006 10:43:48 AM
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rrasco
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cause responsiblity and experience are two very different things. and the throttle response on an F4i should have never been comapred to that of a 50cc scooter. you are comparing walking up a hill and climbing mount everest.
Oh come on....are you saying that I can't sustain 30 or 40 mph on the F4i? Then I might as well not get any bike if I'm that crap. Can't I change gear and just cruise at 30 or 40 mph on this bike or am I forced to go up to 14k revs in every gear?? I've driven a Bentley Arnage 6 litre beast (company car) wich has the highest torque of any car on this planet...and I drove it just fine, never really going over 40 mph. It'll do 0-60 in 6 seconds I think and up to about 160 mph...doesn't mean you're forced to do it. 
what are you talking about? sustain 30 or 40 mph on F4i, of course you can, i never said anything of the sort. however when someone compares a 50cc scooter to a 600cc sportbike they are apples and oranges. lack of riding experience is far different from you driving a more powerful car, and i am assuming you have driven a car before, so it was not your first time behind a wheel. we are discussing someone who has never ridden a bike before thinking of getting an F4i as a first bike, so your conclusions dont make sense and are completely unrelated.
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/18/2006 11:12:01 AM
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it sounds like an older model f4i would be a good starter bike?
NO!
The only thing different is the price you pay. The power is the same. The danger is the same.
You can control your speed, you can control how fast you brake, but for some reason you can't control the oil on the ground, the puddle from the neighbors sprinklers, the cat that runs out in front of you, grandma who is half blind, or mom with the cell phone. You can't control those, but with experience you can control your reactions to them. Your natural, untrained reactions on a F4i are going to have MUCH more severe consequences than on a 250/500 starter bike. It's a hell of a lot harder to spin up the rear, tank slap, or lock the front on a starter bike.
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/18/2006 8:44:28 PM
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Jordan23
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oh alright...i appreciate all the input you guy shave given me...it has really made me reevaluate what bike i want to get...actually i know someone who owns a f4i and they said that they would let me ride it in a parking lot...i'll let you guys know how that goes...
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/19/2006 12:18:29 AM
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i learned on a suzuki SV 650 S. Rode that thing for 2 hours straight in a parking lot....i think everyone knows how exciting it feels to take your first ride on a streetbike....And then i got on my F4i...WOW do i love it!
Please if you get an F4i, go used...let me say it again....USED!! You have almost a guarantee of dropping or crashing it, i know that sounds harsh, but its reality...ask pretty much everyone on this board. I crashed my 04 about 2 months ago...sure it was nothing i could have done technically, due to a pit of gravel under my rear tire... BUT, experience would and now does effect my riding (not that im experienced) ...Maybe i wouldnt have taken that turn as careless as i did and maybe i would have been leary of something on the road, but it sure made me feel better, well maybe a little better, that i had rashed up a used bike even though it "was" in perfect condition. I would have hated the $1400 downgrade in my wallet a hell of alot more if it was a brand new bike and i was still making dealer payments on it.
PS...That guy who has the SV that i learned on also crashed 2 weeks before me, and has dropped his bike 2 times...and its a 2006!
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/19/2006 8:46:38 AM
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Jordan23
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yea i know...thats one thing that i already know...i am going to buy used for the reasons that i'm going to drop it, i dont have enough money to buy a brand new one, and insurance is a lot higher on new ones
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/19/2006 10:08:16 AM
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i learned on a suzuki SV 650 S. Rode that thing for 2 hours straight in a parking lot....i think everyone knows how exciting it feels to take your first ride on a streetbike....And then i got on my F4i...WOW do i love it!
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PS...That guy who has the SV that i learned on also crashed 2 weeks before me, and has dropped his bike 2 times...and its a 2006!
What do you think of the SV as a traininig machine?
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/19/2006 2:55:17 PM
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Leveltwo
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What do you think of the SV as a traininig machine?
It was a great bike to start on, I do have to thank my friend for letting me take his bike out while he was at work...i guess he knew that i wouldnt try to do anything stupid with it... not too many people will trust their bike with someone else.
If i had enough money, i would go buy an SV, keep it for a year, then go to an f4i (but i dont so that is why im learning on my 04 f4i. the SV650 is a v-twin, so its more forgiving than a f4i, due to its lack of power in higher rpms.
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/19/2006 7:45:58 PM
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Jordan23
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What do you think of the SV as a traininig machine?
It was a great bike to start on, I do have to thank my friend for letting me take his bike out while he was at work...i guess he knew that i wouldnt try to do anything stupid with it... not too many people will trust their bike with someone else.
If i had enough money, i would go buy an SV, keep it for a year, then go to an f4i (but i dont so that is why im learning on my 04 f4i. the SV650 is a v-twin, quote:
so its more forgiving than a f4i, due to its lack of power in higher rpms.
So what if I were to keep my RPMs below 7k...i heard the f4i was really forgiving when under that amount
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/20/2006 5:59:16 AM
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I recently bought a F4i as a first bike. ive loved the bike since it came out, i still remember flipping thru the pages of my dads cycle world when the F4i was introduced and falling in love.
As far as riding exerience i have some, however limited in terms of sport bikes. Ive always riden dirtbikes and quads and the past year ive messed around on my brothers hawk GT (father had a V65 magna till he shattered his leg in an accident, we're a honda family as far as bikes go) riding 50 miles at a time here and there. before the f4i i probly had around 300 miles of on road motorcycle experience.
i love my bike, its everything i hoped it would be. however it has caught me off guard a few times, never did anything terribly wrong but rider error is ever present. Sometimes im not to smooth with off-on throttle in traffic and things can get hairy real quick if your not giving the bike your undivided attention. ive been cut off and overreacted, swerving a little to much into the next lane, luckily no oen was there. a few times when im taking off the front end will pull up a bit, nothing crazy or uncontrollable but unexpected nonetheless, the fact that i bought the bike minus a tooth in the front and plus 2 teeth in the back doesnt help matters.
as far as handling the only thing i find dangerous is how deceivingly good the bike makes you feel. the bike handles great, problem is, i find myself in turns going faster than i should, quickly aproaching the limit at which i find myself comfortable. It wants to lean way over, even when you probly shouldnt.
as far as brakes, their is absolutly nothing wrong with them. even for a noobie with elss experience than me, the brakes arnt graby at all, very smooth very modulatable; even in panic stops, even when ive grabbed more brake than i should have, ive never been in a situation where the brakes have completely locked up and/or ive lost control.
drivetrain wise the clutch is very smooth, very linear in its action. the tranny hasnt given me much backtalk, its a little notchy in 1-3rd, and once while downshiting from 6th to 5th and trying to match rev's it let out a horrible clunk and the motor spun freely for a second with the clutch engaged. i thought i dropped 5th gear, but shifting out and back into 5th all was normal. i figure it was a fluke with the gears not meshing correctly, hasnt happened since. motor wise, its a very powerful bike, id have to agree its too powerful for a first bike. theres times, like i said, that i've pulled the front end up without trying(tho aformentioned gears do play a large factor) even on a stock bike im sure you could easily pull it up if your not paying attention to what your right hands doing. its a 600 so it is farily peaky, ive stalled it my fair share of times, being used to a 647cc v-twin it just doesnt have the torque where you need it for day to day stop and go traffic. below around 7000rpm the bike is fairly tame as far as outright power, it'll get up and go, but not rediculously so. 7000-10000rpm is where it starts getting a little crazy, its here when the bikes starts moving faster than your thinking. 10000-14000 rpm is pretty much no mans land, theirs really no sensible reason to take your bike to such rpm on the street. the bike is very fast at sub 5 digit rpm numbers, if you take it over 10000rpm your either a. trying to impress someone, b. racing, c. just making noise, or d. all of the above. none of which are a very smart thing to do while your learning to ride motorcycles. nor are they very smart things to do in general. throttle response i've found to be a bit jerky as well. esp at lower rpm when going off to on throttle. you have be smooth or the bike will buck. tightening up some excess slack in the chain and tightening up the throttle cable tension a bit helped a good amount, but the FI is just a bit touchy when first getting on the gas. something you have to be careful with in tight traffic, when your leaned over, an
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/20/2006 8:17:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: Leveltwo
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What do you think of the SV as a traininig machine?
It was a great bike to start on, I do have to thank my friend for letting me take his bike out while he was at work...i guess he knew that i wouldnt try to do anything stupid with it... not too many people will trust their bike with someone else.
If i had enough money, i would go buy an SV, keep it for a year, then go to an f4i (but i dont so that is why im learning on my 04 f4i. the SV650 is a v-twin, quote:
so its more forgiving than a f4i, due to its lack of power in higher rpms.
So what if I were to keep my RPMs below 7k...i heard the f4i was really forgiving when under that amount
I had the same thought when I picked up my F4I. On the way home from the dealership, I brought it up past 7k WAY more easily than expected. I heard the whine of the Intake, and I was hooked. It got even worse after I threw my Yosh pipe on.
Much like anything else that is good, it is addicting, and dangerous if you don't practice moderation.
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/21/2006 2:13:47 PM
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but the f4i doesn't have much torque, so you end up revving it up high just to get started. I still stall out every once in a while because I expect the bike to go when I drop the clutch in.
Sounds like you need more time to learn how the engine/clutch behave on the F4i. I pull away from stop lights at 1500 rpm all the time during my commute... all it takes is slight crack of the throttle as I ease the clutch out. Typically though, I blip the throttle and leave at 2000-2250rpm.
There is no need to rev it up to get started but... basically the F4i will launch at *any* RPM you choose... skill and technique determine if you'll stall or point the front wheel at the stars.
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RE: People who got f4i as first bike - 9/21/2006 3:57:27 PM
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JaSoN
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but the f4i doesn't have much torque, so you end up revving it up high just to get started. I still stall out every once in a while because I expect the bike to go when I drop the clutch in.
Sounds like you need more time to learn how the engine/clutch behave on the F4i. I pull away from stop lights at 1500 rpm all the time during my commute... all it takes is slight crack of the throttle as I ease the clutch out. Typically though, I blip the throttle and leave at 2000-2250rpm.
There is no need to rev it up to get started but... basically the F4i will launch at *any* RPM you choose... skill and technique determine if you'll stall or point the front wheel at the stars.
the bike is very easy to take off ithout having to rev it to the moon. i typically pull away at around 2000rpm from lights. only time i usually stall it is when im trying to pull away in a hurry and get a little over ambitious with the clutch without my throttle hand cooperating.
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