RE: drifting wide on fast corners
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 2:39:21 AM
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bushmasterAR15
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maybe in the apex of the turn you can drop down a gear and hammer it, see if you can get that ass end to powerslide around a bit, then come out of the turn pullin a nice power wheelie.....
jk, sorry i cant help ya on this one, unless you can do that^
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 2:41:58 AM
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bushmasterAR15
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you dont have to tape anything up/remove mirrors etc. to get onto that track??
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 2:49:32 AM
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FadeDude
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NO we don;t, the track is Phakisa MotoGP Freeway, the marshals and track orgs are nice, some of them force you to tape up, some don't. Whats nice is we can use the track anytime that there isn't a race or track school. Its always open, we pay R120 and use it for the whole day. Before youa sk, of the three times on the track, two of them were track schools, one was just messing around with the local guys.
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 3:23:17 AM
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Blue Fox
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Nasty, me nasty??? ROTFLMAO!!!!! Whew, I read it and it seems like you took my little comment a little seriously there man. In fact, you took a lot of peoples comments a little too seriously. You're asking about setting up a CBR for the track. Cool. But you were kind of asking for some sort of retalliation when you mentioned that your Kawasaki is the "slickest" bike. Saying this to "actual" CBR owners on a CBR WEBSITE. But that's just me. Nasty.....LOL!!
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 3:35:23 AM
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FadeDude
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Lol, yeah that was kinda triggered by this. --->> sound kind of arrogant to assume that it's the RR making you go wide ..... <--- suggesting that I made the RR bad cause my bike tracks propperly. Oh well, i'm not really that serious, heh, just answered all your comments. But eh, i've learnerd alot of nothing about the suspension of the RR in this thread.
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 3:43:04 AM
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FadeDude
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It kind of seems that most people know nothing about their suspension (like me). But still like to bitch and moan about everything else that has nothing todo with the question posed.
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 3:58:52 AM
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Fretless33
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Please do critisize, I could do with some critisizm on my form
I meant arrogant because you came off like your form and Ninja are just too good, so it's got to be the RR...that's all. Just like you posting some pictures and asking us to criticize your form like your form's too good and we won't be able comment...come on...admit it...you know you did! By the way, I have the same year RR and I haven't had the "go wide" problem...it simply could have been that you weren't use to her bike...after all, the '03 is the heaviest of all the 600s for that year...compared to your 636, it's a pig!
As far as your form goes, you could loosen up on the bars, get your head down lower and look through the turn more...I would venture to say that if you shifted off the bike more you wouldn't have to use so much lean angle and have more traction available to be quicker out of the turn...other than that, you look pretty good. 
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 3:59:54 AM
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Blue Fox
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People have to vent somehow, LOL!!!!! For the suspension settings, I really can't help. The guy I bought my bike from (at the dealer) races bikes locally, and is about to go national. I would take it to him if I had questions. I've taken my bike to track days (and a race school-California Superbike School) and it's performed remarkabally well. I also rode the schools' ZX-6R racebikes. They both felt about the same to me, but got back onto mine to finish the class because I felt more comfortable on it than on the 6R-but that's a personal preference.
I would try to find a race buddy to get some answers from, or at least have someone check out the bike to make sure nothings loose or mis-adjusted. Sounds like somethings not right from your descriptions.
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 4:02:10 AM
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rubbercement
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someone's a forum noob lacking respect and courtesy
going on a cbr forum and downgrading it for your kawasaki.
come on man, at least have some courtesy, you came for help.. you're not gonna recieve it acting like that.
< Message edited by rubbercement -- 9/27/2006 4:07:54 AM >
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 4:18:10 AM
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FadeDude
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Guys, I never meant to downgrade the RR, can you not see it? Dammit!
I also don't think me or my ninja is too cool. Did I force my wife to rather get a ninja? No? Why not? cause its not my business what she likes. The fact of the matter is that I thought posting a question about an RR drifting wide would be better done on a RR forum than on a zx forum? <--- i dunno, was I stoopid thinking that? I had to compare it to my zx, cause hell that what I ride, and the RR drifts, my zx doens't and never did I say that its the RR thats at fault. I mean, did I come in here saying that "this fcking RR is shit man it drifts all over the place nothong like my super cool zx6r!" <---??? I politely asked a question and gave as much info as possible in order for you guys to better understand what I am experiencing on the bike. wtf?
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 4:21:09 AM
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FadeDude
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quote:
ORIGINAL: rubbercement
someone's a forum noob lacking respect and courtesy
going on a cbr forum and downgrading it for your kawasaki.
come on man, at least have some courtesy, you came for help.. you're not gonna recieve it acting like that.
Dude, wher on earth are you getting this from? Read my first post. I was polite, I was curtious, I asked a question. Where oh where did I downgrade the CBR? Please I would like to see cause if so then my wtin brother might have posted something else and i'm skitso. And i'm acting like what? You guys started hammering me, I responded, so its alright for you to hammer my zx but I cant comment on your comments even? Way to go.
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 4:33:40 AM
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Fretless33
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There's just a lot of gray areas that are difficult to fix or diagnose over a forum...number 1, you haven't even told us your weight...I would assume your wife's bike is set up with the stock settings (if not factory settings are a good place to start)? Did or can you check this...what weight is the sag set up for? Did you adjust this prior to getting on her bike? Did you ever check her bike to see if it was set up right for her? The previous owner could have had the settings all jacked up and if you didn't check then shame on you!
Can you see why this might be difficult to answer...I'm just too damn sarcastic, so it takes me a while to make my point...sorry 
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 4:43:24 AM
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Fretless33
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Here...I dug up some various suspension settings that could be helpful to you and some others I'm sure:
CBR600RR Suspension Settings
Factory Settings (??03-04?? for 165lb rider):
Front standard compression setting: 2 turns out from full hard
Front preload standard position: 14mm (0.6 in) 4th groove from top of fork bolt
Front rebound standard position: 2-1/2 turns out from full hard
Rear standard compression setting: 7 clicks out from full hard
Rear preload standard position: #3
Rear rebound standard position: 1-3/4 turns out from full hard
Sport Rider Magazine (2005):
In March Issue:
Front: Preload: 11 turns out from full stiff; Rebound damping: 1.75 turns out from full stiff; Compression damping; 2.5 turns out from full stiff; Ride height: 5mm fork tube showing
Rear: Preload: Position 3 from full soft; Rebound damping: 2.5 turns out from full stiff; Compression damping: 12 clicks out from full stiff.
In April Issue:
Front: Preload: 7 turns out from full stiff; Rebound damping: 2 turns out from full stiff; Compression damping; 2.5 turns out from full stiff; Ride height: 5mm fork tube showing
Rear: Preload: Position 6 from full soft; Rebound damping: .75 turns out from full stiff; Compression damping: 11 clicks out from full stiff.
RRRacer:
If you set the static sag at about 28mm on the front and 10-12 on the rear you wont go far wrong.
U-235Splitter:
I am 225 lbs without gear on, I have the front preload cranked all the way in and still havve 43 mm of sag on front. However the rear factory pre-load was just fine, if I remember about 36 mm sag the race-tech guy said that thee pro-link rear works better with a bit more sag than other bikes.
Ozjack's Settings (120lb rider)(2003-2004):
Rear shock
Preload- setting 4
Rebound- 1 1/4 turns out from full IN
Compression- 5 clicks out from full IN
Forks
Preload- 4 lines showing(stock) is fine, but will need more if you are heavier(eg 1 line less showing for each 30lbs heavier than 120lbs)
Rebound- 2 turns out from full IN
Compression- 1 1/2 turns out from full IN
Swillmott82 (235lbs)
Try to get the sags set as close to 30mm front and rear as
possible. Set rear compression at about 1/2 turn out, rebound at max or 1/4
turn out. Front damping at about 1/4 turn out on both rebound and
compression.
DaBeachBum (255lbs)
My rear spring is pre loaded at 6 and about a turn out on both rebound/compression. It's perfect.
My front is preloaded all the way and about 1 turn out, too. It's okay but not near what i'd probably get set up for by a pro.
Ozjack's recommended settings for 180lb. rider (2005)
Set the preload properly for starters, should be setting 5 at the rear shock, front forks standard should be just about right for your weight judging by the stiffness of my mates 05.
Add a full turn of compression on the forks, and 1/2 a turn of rebound.
Rear shock would probably need 3/4 turn more rebound, and maybe 1/2 turn compression.
Ozjack helping and yelling at other people about suspension setups
http://www.cbr600rr.com/forum/index.php/topic,11226.0.html
MCN Magazine (2003-2004)
10 stone (140lb) rider
Front Preload = flush with 4th ring from top
Front Comp. = 1 turn from fully in
Front Rebound = 1 1/2 turns from fully in
Rear Preload = Position 3
Rear Comp. = 2 1/2 turns from fully in
Rear Rebound = 1 turn from fully in
14 stone (203lb) rider
Front Preload = flush with 3rd ring from top
Front Comp. = 3/4 turn from fully in
Front Rebound = 1 3/4 turns from fully in
Rear Preload = Position 3
Rear Comp. = 2 turns from fully in
Rear Rebound = 1 1/4 turns from fully in
Standard Settings should be
Front Preload = flush with 4th ring from top
Front Comp. = 2 turn from fully in
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 8:24:15 AM
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woodyracing
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woodyracing, dude, what does your bike put out in the way of HP running all stock? I dunno, I just know with a shit load of mods and full pipes I have read of one doing 104HP (real horsepower(corrected))<---Wow, almost beats my stock 112HP, but thats a discussion for another time, we are supposed to be figuring out whats up with my wifes CBR's suspension.
that would be a valid point if I had been the one bragging about my bike, something I've never done because I ride an 02 F4i (good bike but doesn't have great HP numbers)
you were the one bragging about having the best 600 out there blah blah blah its not
having ridden a ZX-6 I can tell you that handling is relative, my F4i stock wasn't set up worth crap to take the corners but after some adjustments and setting it up for me it handles better than any bike I've ridden so if her RR isn't turning like you want it to its because you didn't take the time to set it up properly, not because the bikes doing anything wrong. Sportbikes are made of compromises, they have to be both built to race and comfortable enough to tolerate on the street and by the same token they have to be approximately set up for a wide range of riders so the stock settings won't work for everybody, and unless you and your wife are the same weight/height setting it up for you won't help her at all, so why don't you focus on making sure it works well for her and not you, its obvious she doesn't have much less tracktime than you do
also if it was your 3rd trackday, I would say you just haven't gotten used to adapting to different bikes/setup rather than the bike not working right
just some things to think about
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RE: drifting wide on fast corners - 9/27/2006 9:12:16 AM
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Doodie
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You know.... I would'nt mess with the shocks or springs at all. I've been messing with my bike for a while now and one of the best mods I have done is lowering the front end. It's really simple you just loosen the triple tree's and fork clamps and slide them down teh fork shafts. I wouldn't lower it much. If you decide to do this, once you start you will notice tiny rings around the upper forks. I would'nt drop it lower than 1 maybe 2 rings. Also the clip on's have a retaining ring inside their clamp. You will have to remove that ring to slide the clip on's with the triple tree's. GIVE THIS A TRY........ It's absolutly the best handling change I've made.
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