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RE: Lean Angle - Scraping Pegs - Help - 11/27/2006 9:15:57 PM
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pixel 6
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Ooh, and on a side note.
Went up to the hills the other day for a spirited ride with about 10 people. I was in about 4th position following a ducati.
We're taking a small blind sided right hand turn that immediately pitches back left shortly there after.
Being that we get snow in our hills there was a bit of gravel in some of the turns.
As I'm following the duc into the right hand turn, he notices a line of gravel mid lane, and decides to stay on the outside of it. We're both coming into the turn a bit hot.
The next thing I see is him square up, brake lights come on... and he lowsides in the right hander before the switchback. He completely lowsides in our lane... slides across the oncoming traffic lane, and puts it into the ditch.
Being only a short distance behind him, I see what he saw after glancing at his crash...
In the oncoming traffics lane, there is a TON of gravel, and he's already gone wide.
Practice in parking lots???
I blip my throttle under braking as I down shift coming into the turn. My tire sticks fine even tho I am already in lean. I see what he was freaked out about and lean my bike a bit past my normal canyon lean angle. I shift my body to the other side of the bike, and finish executing the turn back to the left... never leaving my lane. I then signal to the people behind me that I'm stopping to turn back around. Didn't even raise my heart rate... even tho I had to use up some of my reserve lean angle, while avoiding gravel, and being distracted by a fellow rider crashing.
I don't know how many videos I've seen of a lead rider being followed by a camera rider, where the lead rider crashes, and the camera guy following him pits it imediately after. Sympothy crash? Same bad line? Distracted?
Ill I have to say to sum this up, is that because I praciced in a parking lot to learn how to lean my bike over further... That lead me to hit the track. There I learned to lean it over further... trail brake... rev match... and know what my bike does when the suspension and tires gets upset.
That road lead me to a short Thanks Giving day ride, where I was able to avoid a crash because I took the time to learn my shortfalls. In hindsight? If I had been on this same ride a year ago, I most likely would have pitted my bike into the guy and bike that crashed in front of me.
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RE: Lean Angle - Scraping Pegs - Help - 11/28/2006 2:12:23 PM
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Tahoe SC
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why do parking lot graduates get so upset when someone disagrees with the kneedragging portion?
i posted that everything else is great for noobs but as far as dragging knee...nope...it should come naturally but in a parking lot you have too many hacks just trying to get lower and lower and focusing on dragging the knee...that is what i've commented as being lame...everything else is fine...
kneedragging should come with fluidity, when one is in the 'zone'...which comes only with lots of practice...you can't get into the zone in a parking lot...nor can you practice fluidity...
lots are great for braking drills, and all the other MSF stuff...and that's about it.
FYI, my first knee drag was my first time at the track....and for the most part...dragging knee doesn't have as much to do with speed as most think...
as for your ducati guy...you said you were both coming into a turn hot...and that's why he went down...
just read your post...you got lucky you didn't go down...you downshifted while leaned...why?
see...all that stuff comes from riding, not from practicing in a parking lot...
all your braking, downshifting, etc...should've been done before you entered the turn...he panic'd and stood the bike up...another no no...how do you teach that in the parking lot?
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RE: Lean Angle - Scraping Pegs - Help - 12/8/2006 12:46:51 PM
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Jaybird180
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I think this is a great discussion. Too bad I got in on it late.
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FYI, my first knee drag was my first time at the track....and for the most part...dragging knee doesn't have as much to do with speed as most think...
II still haven't gotten my knee down, even though my speeds and confidence have increased substantially.
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just read your post...you got lucky you didn't go down...you downshifted while leaned
I would recommend against that the next time. Trust me, I just know.
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RE: Lean Angle - Scraping Pegs - Help - 12/11/2006 11:31:35 AM
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Tahoe SC
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jaybird...you haven't gotten your knee down but you did drag your elbow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! muahahhaha
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RE: Lean Angle - Scraping Pegs - Help - 12/11/2006 11:44:39 AM
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Jaybird180
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Naw man, just a toe slider.
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RE: Lean Angle - Scraping Pegs - Help - 12/11/2006 4:49:38 PM
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Tahoe SC
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i meant when you went down...you must've dragged some body parts.
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RE: Lean Angle - Scraping Pegs - Help - 12/11/2006 5:51:52 PM
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Jaybird180
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What do you mean went down? I didn't go down.
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RE: Lean Angle - Scraping Pegs - Help - 12/12/2006 11:10:13 AM
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Tahoe SC
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quote:
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What do you mean went down? I didn't go down.
oh you going to be like that eh mang? or should i say...which time? muahahahhaha....
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