RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/9/2006 11:37:25 AM
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Fretless33
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Lowering and and un-professional tuning of the suspension to compensate for stop sign confidence can be a dangerous route to take. I would rather drop the bike at a stop sign than crash at 40mph around a corner because the rear tire lost traction due to poor suspension adjustments.
+1 BRAVO!!!!
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ORIGINAL: PatsCBR
Im not going to argue either but you have to do whats right for "YOU" and now he has options from both sides..............
When the stakes are as high as they can be on a motorcycle, what's right for "YOU" should be the safest and most correct way to do something!
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/9/2006 8:27:52 PM
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raptor
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it's completly safe to soften the suspension the bike will drop by 1/2 inch
try it, go out and enjoy your bike
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/9/2006 9:04:26 PM
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abadfish
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it's completly safe to soften the suspension the bike will drop by 1/2 inch
Apparently, you don't understand what suspension is for!!!! That has got to be some of the worst advice you can possibly give.  
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/9/2006 10:53:35 PM
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PatsCBR
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So you saying when lowered YOu still cant be a safe rider?? Not everybody are pro riders and just because were not doenst mean we cant have just as much SAFE fun riding a motorcycle like everybody else.............................
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ORIGINAL: Blue Fox
Lowering and and un-professional tuning of the suspension to compensate for stop sign confidence can be a dangerous route to take. I would rather drop the bike at a stop sign than crash at 40mph around a corner because the rear tire lost traction due to poor suspension adjustments.
+1 BRAVO!!!!
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ORIGINAL: PatsCBR
Im not going to argue either but you have to do whats right for "YOU" and now he has options from both sides..............
When the stakes are as high as they can be on a motorcycle, what's right for "YOU" should be the safest and most correct way to do something!
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/10/2006 12:30:09 AM
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raptor
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let me make this clear by softening the suspesion i dont mean lowering it. so when you sit on the bike and is stantionary the bike lowers itslf under the riders weight.
and it makes no difference while it's motion.
in the same sense a heavy rider could stiffen the suspension for the same reason
spiritbreaker just wants to feel safer while stationary
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/10/2006 1:37:12 AM
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abadfish
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let me make this clear by softening the suspesion i dont mean lowering it. so when you sit on the bike and is stantionary the bike lowers itslf under the riders weight.
and it makes no difference while it's motion.
in the same sense a heavy rider could stiffen the suspension for the same reason
You are incorrect in your assessment that it makes no difference while the bike is in motion!!! The whole point of suspension is to stabilize while the bike is IN MOTION. If you adjust it so soft that it lowers under its own weight (and the riders), I (and many racers and suspension experts) guarantee you it will not perform as it should when you ride aggressively. It will be so unstable when you brake hard coming into turns and when you accelerate out of them.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/10/2006 11:44:44 AM
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+1
if your suspension is too soft you could bottom out under hard braking...and you'll feel unstable when your suspension is TOO SOFT...this is very important under high speed...
Front Fork spring "pre-load" measured amount, required to achieve proper "Sag"
0 - 3/8": Spring rate "TOO STIFF" for rider/bike combined weight
1/2 - 1": Spring rate "CORRECT" for rider/bike combined weight
>1 1/4": Spring rate "TOO SOFT" for rider/bike combined weight
Rear Shock spring "pre-load" measured amount, required to achieve proper "Sag"
0 - 1/8": Spring rate "TOO STIFF" for rider/bike combined weight
1/4 - 3/4": Spring rate "CORRECT" for rider/bike combined weight
>1": Spring rate "TOO SOFT" for rider/bike combined weight
this is the measurement to tune your suspension...do it if you haven't already...you'll thank me...
like i said before...you adjust the preload to your weight...not just because you wanna lower the bike...
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let me make this clear by softening the suspesion i dont mean lowering it. so when you sit on the bike and is stantionary the bike lowers itslf under the riders weight.
and it makes no difference while it's motion.
in the same sense a heavy rider could stiffen the suspension for the same reason
You are incorrect in your assessment that it makes no difference while the bike is in motion!!! The whole point of suspension is to stabilize while the bike is IN MOTION. If you adjust it so soft that it lowers under its own weight (and the riders), I (and many racers and suspension experts) guarantee you it will not perform as it should when you ride aggressively. It will be so unstable when you brake hard coming into turns and when you accelerate out of them.
< Message edited by cksean -- 12/10/2006 11:48:52 AM >
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/12/2006 10:42:14 AM
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Fretless33
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So you saying when lowered YOu still cant be a safe rider?? Not everybody are pro riders and just because were not doenst mean we cant have just as much SAFE fun riding a motorcycle like everybody else...
Being a safe rider won't compensate for the handling and ground clearance issues one will create by drastically lowering or "tinkering" with their suspension...experience has nothing to do with it (other than knowing not to do it).
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/12/2006 12:00:24 PM
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There are pros n cons for lowering, but don't let these guys tell you whats right for your bike and you. Does it hurt handling ? YES. Does it hurt it to the point that its not worth doing ? Thats up to you. The link isn't that expensive or hard to install. Try it out n see what YOU think. My 06 is lowered 3" in the rear 1.5" front and handles great, no problems w/clearance.... and i have twistied it on every road i can find. Tire is scrubbed to withing 1/4" of the edge w/o so much as a peg scrape. The rr's are VERY tall and can be lowered some w/out the sky falling. It's funny cuz most of the guys who will tell you not to do it HAVE NEVER DONE IT !! Kind of like asking a gay guy for advice about women...... they have an opinion, but no real experience to back it up. It can be done safely, but weather or not its good is up to you.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/12/2006 7:25:25 PM
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Blue Fox
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It's funny cuz most of the guys who will tell you not to do it HAVE NEVER DONE IT !! Kind of like asking a gay guy for advice about women...... they have an opinion, but no real experience to back it up. It can be done safely, but weather or not its good is up to you.
You don't need to "DO IT" to understand that there are more negative effects than positive when you toy with suspension adjustments and lower the ride height.
But the original question was what he could do to help with the seat height to be able to put his feet flat on the road. Lowering and extreme suspension adjustments STRICTLY for the purpose of having two flat feet at a stop sign or stop light is NEVER a good idea, and I'm pretty sure all of us can agree on that to some degree.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/12/2006 7:45:36 PM
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cksean
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oh...gosh...not again!!!
if you wanna do it...do it...
if you're a noob worried about tippie toeing...you couldn't tell the difference anyways...
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/12/2006 11:32:13 PM
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PatsCBR
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+1 !!!
Do what you feell you need to do for you...........I know I did and couldnt be more happy and NOBODY can tell me different!!!!
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ORIGINAL: FATHEADS1KRR
There are pros n cons for lowering, but don't let these guys tell you whats right for your bike and you. Does it hurt handling ? YES. Does it hurt it to the point that its not worth doing ? Thats up to you. The link isn't that expensive or hard to install. Try it out n see what YOU think. My 06 is lowered 3" in the rear 1.5" front and handles great, no problems w/clearance.... and i have twistied it on every road i can find. Tire is scrubbed to withing 1/4" of the edge w/o so much as a peg scrape. The rr's are VERY tall and can be lowered some w/out the sky falling. It's funny cuz most of the guys who will tell you not to do it HAVE NEVER DONE IT !! Kind of like asking a gay guy for advice about women...... they have an opinion, but no real experience to back it up. It can be done safely, but weather or not its good is up to you.
< Message edited by PatsCBR -- 12/12/2006 11:39:50 PM >
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/13/2006 3:52:27 AM
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raptor
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ok this is really my last post since it's been taken out of context.
when i said soften the suspesion i meant this one adjustment and only ONE
THE COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENT UNDER THE SEAT IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN HARD AND SOFT MOVE IT TO THE SOFT POSITION A QUARTER OF A TURN IT WILL HELP WHILE SITTING STATIONARY ON THE BIKE, DO NOT ADJUST ANYTHING ELSE, I'VE DONE AND THERE IS NO NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN HANDLING
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/13/2006 10:27:04 AM
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I wouldn't dissagree that you don't need to do it to understand the pros n cons of it, but your WAY off w/how big of a diff lowering the bike makes. It does change it, but unless your tracking it, i very seriously doubt the clearance is even going to be an issue, esp if he drops it an inch or two. No, lowering it JUST to be flat footed doesn't seem like good justification, but the xtra confidence it gives you can make a world of difference. The way your stating it, ANY tinkering w/suspention is a bad idea, and that just silly. So, if a guy who is 50-75 lbs heavier gets on a rr and it squats, the handling of the bike is turned to complete s@#t ? The experiance issue wasn't meant to say you don't know what your talking about.... what i've found tho is that guys who have tried it don't get all excited, telling e/one that it ruins the bike. They say what i said, pros n cons..... not right for everyone, and damn sure not tright for the track, but in a "melding w/the machine" point of view, it has its value. Everyone is different, and expects different things out of their time on a bike, don't make me sing the different strokes theme song man..... it'll get stuck in my head for a week.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/13/2006 12:27:21 PM
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abadfish
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Sorry to hijack this thread even further...
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ok this is really my last post since it's been taken out of context.
when i said soften the suspesion i meant this one adjustment and only ONE
THE COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENT UNDER THE SEAT IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN HARD AND SOFT MOVE IT TO THE SOFT POSITION A QUARTER OF A TURN IT WILL HELP WHILE SITTING STATIONARY ON THE BIKE, DO NOT ADJUST ANYTHING ELSE, I'VE DONE AND THERE IS NO NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN HANDLING
THE END.
THE END indeed....you really should stop giving advice about suspension. I'm not saying this to be cruel or mean but its really blatantly clear that you don't know what suspension does, nor do you understand how the different adjustments even work.
Let me demonstrate from your earlier posts.....
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ORIGINAL: raptor
let me make this clear by softening the suspesion i dont mean lowering it. so when you sit on the bike and is stantionary the bike lowers itslf under the riders weight.
One of two things (or both) are evident from your statement: 1) You don't understand what compression is or 2) You don't understand what preload is. Either way, it shows you don't have the knowledge to be giving suspension advice!!!!
You are calling this adjustment compression. This is NOT what the compression adjustment does. All the compression adjustment does is adjust the rate at which the shock will compress. No matter what the compression setting is, it does not change how much the shock will compress. It only affect how quickly (or slowly) the shock gets to its fully compressed state. It will in no way affect ride height, nor will it allow the bike to lower itself under the rider's weight.
Preload (if you compare the lowest setting to the highest setting), will allow the bike to lower itself (a little) under the rider's weight (I believe this is what you were really intending to talk about but I could be wrong). As I said before, if you use preload for the purpose of having the bike fall under its own weight, it will affect the bike in such a negative manner that it would be unsafe under aggressive riding.
In any case, PLEASE STOP GIVING SUSPENSION ADVICE until you get more educated about suspension! A lesser informed rider can be serious injured from your misinformed advice. There are proper ways to "lower" a bike and this is NOT one of them!!!!!!!!!!
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I'VE DONE AND THERE IS NO NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN HANDLING
One of two things (or both) are evident here: 1) you don't understand what the suspension is telling you when you are riding or 2) you aren't pushing your bike very hard to realize the effects the change you made is really doiong.
Take your bike to the track. Even a novice track rider can easily feel (and learn) what minor adjusments in suspension will do when riding the bike under hard conditions.
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