RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/13/2006 2:12:05 PM
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D2VW14_20
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I agree that changing the suspension and all does change the bike in a big way, howvever, to the post above, it isnt a debate whether or not we are psuhing the bik ehard enough. A lot of people bought a bike to ride to work, school, starbucks, or on the weekend or just to have fun on the weekend, not all of us bought these to be the next nicky hayden. If it its effects arent being felt on how you ride you r bike, then it doesnt matter, because thats how you ride your bike. Someone who changes their setup who just rides to here and there or how ever they ride, if it isnt effecting the bike how they ride it or isnt causing them problems, WTF does it matter, because thats as hard as they push it and thats that. Not everybody has to "drag a knee" or take it to the track. Its used for what they use it for. So its not a matter of people not pushing the bike hard enough. Not everyone wants to push it to the extreme. Just because some people to, thats their prerogative, just like it is theirs for those who dont. Honestly, their is only one way to find out. I DO agree however it will change how the bike feels, works, but if it isnt enough for the person to notice because they dont bring it to the track, let it be. Thanks all I gots to say. Good Luck
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/13/2006 2:18:40 PM
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abadfish
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you took my track statement the wrong way. I only mentioned the track because its a controlled environment where one can really test the waters in a safe manner.
You don't have to be going balls out to experience the ill effects of suspension. Just braking really hard (e.g. panic stop) is enough. Or even accelerating hard out of the turns in the twisties. YOu don't have to go to the track for these things to happen.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/13/2006 8:00:22 PM
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cksean
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abadfish is right on the money...
all you doing with damping adjuster is changing a oil flow of a fork or shock...has nothing to do with height...
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Sorry to hijack this thread even further...
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ORIGINAL: raptor
ok this is really my last post since it's been taken out of context.
when i said soften the suspesion i meant this one adjustment and only ONE
THE COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENT UNDER THE SEAT IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN HARD AND SOFT MOVE IT TO THE SOFT POSITION A QUARTER OF A TURN IT WILL HELP WHILE SITTING STATIONARY ON THE BIKE, DO NOT ADJUST ANYTHING ELSE, I'VE DONE AND THERE IS NO NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN HANDLING
THE END.
THE END indeed....you really should stop giving advice about suspension. I'm not saying this to be cruel or mean but its really blatantly clear that you don't know what suspension does, nor do you understand how the different adjustments even work.
Let me demonstrate from your earlier posts.....
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let me make this clear by softening the suspesion i dont mean lowering it. so when you sit on the bike and is stantionary the bike lowers itslf under the riders weight.
One of two things (or both) are evident from your statement: 1) You don't understand what compression is or 2) You don't understand what preload is. Either way, it shows you don't have the knowledge to be giving suspension advice!!!!
You are calling this adjustment compression. This is NOT what the compression adjustment does. All the compression adjustment does is adjust the rate at which the shock will compress. No matter what the compression setting is, it does not change how much the shock will compress. It only affect how quickly (or slowly) the shock gets to its fully compressed state. It will in no way affect ride height, nor will it allow the bike to lower itself under the rider's weight.
Preload (if you compare the lowest setting to the highest setting), will allow the bike to lower itself (a little) under the rider's weight (I believe this is what you were really intending to talk about but I could be wrong). As I said before, if you use preload for the purpose of having the bike fall under its own weight, it will affect the bike in such a negative manner that it would be unsafe under aggressive riding.
In any case, PLEASE STOP GIVING SUSPENSION ADVICE until you get more educated about suspension! A lesser informed rider can be serious injured from your misinformed advice. There are proper ways to "lower" a bike and this is NOT one of them!!!!!!!!!!
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I'VE DONE AND THERE IS NO NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN HANDLING
One of two things (or both) are evident here: 1) you don't understand what the suspension is telling you when you are riding or 2) you aren't pushing your bike very hard to realize the effects the change you made is really doiong.
Take your bike to the track. Even a novice track rider can easily feel (and learn) what minor adjusments in suspension will do when riding the bike under hard conditions.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/13/2006 10:32:34 PM
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cksean
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let me give you my final 2 cents...
a scenario perhaps...
It's a beautiful day out...you're dying for a ride...
your buddy calls and invites you to his house...he lives in the suburb and he tells you "it's pretty twisty on the way here so ride your bike here" and you're like "perfect!!!"
so here you are riding your bike...
you've never been on that road so you're taking it nice and slow...just enjoying the sceneries...than you look in the mirror...another RR is riding your tail...and he won't pass you...just keeps on riding your tail...so you MR BIG EGO decides to show him how to ride and ride above your ability(this is very dangerous by the way)...plus this road is not that twisty anyways...WRONG!!! all of sudden here comes TIGHT BLIND RIGHT TURN...speed limit says "20"...you're already going about 50...you're saying NO BIG DEAL...WRONG AGAIN!!! that speed limit is WRONG way tighter for 20...well too late!... so you lean as much as you can but you entered that turn lil too fast and almost crossing the double yellow...but guess what?...that turn got tighter and tighter and next thing you know you have crossed the double yellow and went TOO WIDE...what happens next?...you better wish there isn't a oncoming SUV crossing his double yellow...pretty scary huh...
Bottom line is this...what do you do to turn and go to the direction you want in MC?...YOU LEAN...and what happens when you messes with the geometry of your MC?...you know what happens...what if this was you that took that TIGHT BLIND RIGHT TURN and went lil too wide on a lowered bike...first thing that would come into my mind would be..."would i have avoid that if i hadn't lowered my bike?" if i'm still alive...like i said...this is just my 2 cents...Ride safe guys!!!
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/14/2006 2:06:01 AM
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There is some really dumb stuff in this thread...
I've noticed that most people tend to ignore or don't respond to my real life Emergency Room experience (this relates to D2MEclipseGT_600RR's reply) of the girl that was brought into my ER as a trauma code after being on her 2004 RR...just going for a nice little ride with her boyfriend...nothing serious or hard...I was curious why her engine casing busted open and caused her to wreck...well, she had her bike lowered 3" and hit a large bump in the road, the bump hit the bottom of the bike, cracked open the engine casing, spilled oil all over her rear tire and caused her to go down HARD!
Why do these "it's ok if you're going slow" people ignore this story...do they think something like that couldn't happen to them?
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/14/2006 2:19:50 AM
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dwhite645
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Fretless, I thought you were going to stay out of this topic? lol
I'm trying my hardest to not reply about how unsafe it is to lower a bike...oops, too late.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/14/2006 2:57:16 AM
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Blue Fox
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ORIGINAL: Fretless33
There is some really dumb stuff in this thread...
I've noticed that most people tend to ignore or don't respond to my real life Emergency Room experience (this relates to D2MEclipseGT_600RR's reply) of the girl that was brought into my ER as a trauma code after being on her 2004 RR...just going for a nice little ride with her boyfriend...nothing serious or hard...I was curious why her engine casing busted open and caused her to wreck...well, she had her bike lowered 3" and hit a large bump in the road, the bump hit the bottom of the bike, cracked open the engine casing, spilled oil all over her rear tire and caused her to go down HARD!
Why do these "it's ok if you're going slow" people ignore this story...do they think something like that couldn't happen to them?
People want to learn the hard way I guess. They'll learn once their legs look like a turbocharged cheese grater got a hold of them.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/14/2006 11:55:45 AM
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Fretless33
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ORIGINAL: dwhite645
Fretless, I thought you were going to stay out of this topic? lol
I'm trying my hardest to not reply about how unsafe it is to lower a bike...oops, too late.
LOL!!! 
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/14/2006 6:59:05 PM
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FATHEADS1KRR
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ORIGINAL: cksean
let me give you my final 2 cents...
a scenario perhaps...
It's a beautiful day out...you're dying for a ride...
your buddy calls and invites you to his house...he lives in the suburb and he tells you "it's pretty twisty on the way here so ride your bike here" and you're like "perfect!!!"
so here you are riding your bike...
you've never been on that road so you're taking it nice and slow...just enjoying the sceneries...than you look in the mirror...another RR is riding your tail...and he won't pass you...just keeps on riding your tail...so you MR BIG EGO decides to show him how to ride and ride above your ability(this is very dangerous by the way)...plus this road is not that twisty anyways...WRONG!!! all of sudden here comes TIGHT BLIND RIGHT TURN...speed limit says "20"...you're already going about 50...you're saying NO BIG DEAL...WRONG AGAIN!!! that speed limit is WRONG way tighter for 20...well too late!... so you lean as much as you can but you entered that turn lil too fast and almost crossing the double yellow...but guess what?...that turn got tighter and tighter and next thing you know you have crossed the double yellow and went TOO WIDE...what happens next?...you better wish there isn't a oncoming SUV crossing his double yellow...pretty scary huh...
Bottom line is this...what do you do to turn and go to the direction you want in MC?...YOU LEAN...and what happens when you messes with the geometry of your MC?...you know what happens...what if this was you that took that TIGHT BLIND RIGHT TURN and went lil too wide on a lowered bike...first thing that would come into my mind would be..."would i have avoid that if i hadn't lowered my bike?" if i'm still alive...like i said...this is just my 2 cents...Ride safe guys!!!
Yea, cuz the lowering is what went wrong here !!?? Good story.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/14/2006 7:58:52 PM
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D2VW14_20
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quote:
ORIGINAL: FATHEADS1KRR
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ORIGINAL: cksean
let me give you my final 2 cents...
a scenario perhaps...
It's a beautiful day out...you're dying for a ride...
your buddy calls and invites you to his house...he lives in the suburb and he tells you "it's pretty twisty on the way here so ride your bike here" and you're like "perfect!!!"
so here you are riding your bike...
you've never been on that road so you're taking it nice and slow...just enjoying the sceneries...than you look in the mirror...another RR is riding your tail...and he won't pass you...just keeps on riding your tail...so you MR BIG EGO decides to show him how to ride and ride above your ability(this is very dangerous by the way)...plus this road is not that twisty anyways...WRONG!!! all of sudden here comes TIGHT BLIND RIGHT TURN...speed limit says "20"...you're already going about 50...you're saying NO BIG DEAL...WRONG AGAIN!!! that speed limit is WRONG way tighter for 20...well too late!... so you lean as much as you can but you entered that turn lil too fast and almost crossing the double yellow...but guess what?...that turn got tighter and tighter and next thing you know you have crossed the double yellow and went TOO WIDE...what happens next?...you better wish there isn't a oncoming SUV crossing his double yellow...pretty scary huh...
Bottom line is this...what do you do to turn and go to the direction you want in MC?...YOU LEAN...and what happens when you messes with the geometry of your MC?...you know what happens...what if this was you that took that TIGHT BLIND RIGHT TURN and went lil too wide on a lowered bike...first thing that would come into my mind would be..."would i have avoid that if i hadn't lowered my bike?" if i'm still alive...like i said...this is just my 2 cents...Ride safe guys!!!
Yea, cuz the lowering is what went wrong here !!?? Good story.
I am not ignoring the emrgency situations, I admitted it was wrong, but everyones argue was towardsthe track the track the track. I completely understand everyones arguement on this, it is not a good idea. and 3" is ridiculous, but 1" isnt 3", but yes, its still not a good idea.
And to the quote above. That can happen in any situations, and more often then not that seems more like entry speed or target fixation would be more of your problem than anything. Its not like you are going to completely change your bike and then go out and hit insane twisties, you'll (most people will) learn how it handles and get adjusted to the bike
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/15/2006 11:02:07 AM
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Fretless33
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The more you ride...the better you get, the higher your skill level...the more demands you'll put on the bike. Most people grow at a gradual pace, so you wouldn't even notice anything until the bike starts to respond in a negative way (due to being lowered improperly). If you grow into a bike that's set up wrong, you'll also grow into a rider who has a lot of bad habits from unknowingly compensating for a bike that's not set up right. In essence, the problems would go unnoticed...until something bad happens and I'd bet the bank that not a single rider here is perfect and never tests the limit occasionally...
Look at the big picture people!
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/15/2006 7:35:40 PM
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Again, I agree completely.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/16/2006 5:24:52 PM
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oh just tie some weights to your feet and hang from a pole :) just kidding
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/21/2006 11:55:27 PM
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taiQynchina
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Please, I've ridden 2000 mi over 3 months on a lowered bike. Gone over sidewalks, over speedbumps, through the grass, lean in curves etc. etc. However, I don't do track days so maybe there is a difference there. Bike is an '06 600RR. I hardly think it's that dangerous and I think if someone wanted to lower a bike and it would make that person more comfortable--go for it. I've had zeeeeero problems. Then again maybe I'm just sitting on a ticking time bomb.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 1:23:18 AM
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My bike sets a good 1 1/2 to 2 inches lower than my friends, he is 150 and I'm 220. i've been over every terrain, speed bumps pot holes you name it I have never bottomed out. Put a lowering link on and ride for a while when you build up some confidence raise it back up. ICON has shoes that have very thick soles on them as well you might look into different foot wear until you get the hang of it. I know an old man 58 years old rides an 04 keeps his suspension very soft likes the bike to float and says it feels like a cruzer but looks sexy. he never has problems granted he dosn't do crazy crap just rides normal. Yes the nose dives at a stop and the rear sinks on take off but he has learned to deal with this fact and hasn't been to the emergency room yet, not saying I recomend it just saying softer suspension isn't necesarily gona make a life or death situation but it isn't a height adjustment either. I know a guy that was way too short and had short arms he put hela bars or what ever they are called, they raised the height of the clipons, and he said that it lifted his body up higher and got his feet closer to the ground, don't ask me how but thats what he said. So each to their own do what ya gota do. Every one has a different answer and opinion as you can see.
Jesus this thread got crazy, hell put training wheels on it if it helps you ride safly and comfortably, RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE DUDE.
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