RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 1:45:16 AM
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13brsxsrr
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Absolutly rediculous! I can't believe the nonsense I've been reading. 2003cbr600rr quote:
oh just tie some weights to your feet and hang from a pole :) just kidding
That's funny! Lowering the bike isn't. I've got a boy of mine that's 5'2" and stunts a stock height Erion 929. He's really good and when you see him on his mini you'd swear he was 10. I'm know there are shorties that ride stock height bikes. I roll with a girl with a 99 ZX-7R that might be 5'1" maybe 95 lbs soaking wet with sprokets in her pocket. STOCK HEIGHT! Why? Because she wants to be like the guys and I respect her for it. Don't get me wrong it's a sight watching her get on this thing but she does. Sportbikes aren't about being comfortable if you haven't noticed yet. If you're not making the bike safer leave it alone. There's a difference between comfort and saftey.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 1:49:34 AM
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13brsxsrr
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NotSoMellowYellow quote:
My bike sets a good 1 1/2 to 2 inches lower than my friends
Point proven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forget bent forks and new suspension. Now you know why your bike handles the way it does.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 9:13:28 AM
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TheX
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These threads are too damn funny. blah blah blah...do what feels right to you. I ride with a lot of RR riders and some of them have their bikes lowered properly (front and rear) and they keep right up with the rest of us.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 9:36:21 AM
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+1 do what you need to do for you and have fun....................
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These threads are too damn funny. blah blah blah...do what feels right to you. I ride with a lot of RR riders and some of them have their bikes lowered properly (front and rear) and they keep right up with the rest of us.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 9:53:30 AM
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Fretless33
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Please, I've ridden 2000 mi over 3 months on a lowered bike. Gone over sidewalks, over speedbumps, through the grass, lean in curves etc. etc. However, I don't do track days so maybe there is a difference there. Bike is an '06 600RR. I hardly think it's that dangerous and I think if someone wanted to lower a bike and it would make that person more comfortable--go for it. I've had zeeeeero problems. Then again maybe I'm just sitting on a ticking time bomb.
It also depends how much the bike is lowered, because the effects of lowering the bike 1 inch will be less noticeable (obviously from all the folks saying "it handles great") than lowering it 3 inches.
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ORIGINAL: NotSoMellowYellow
Put a lowering link on and ride for a while when you build up some confidence raise it back up.
Dude...stop giving out advice! You have once again proven that you don't know what the fug you're doing or talking about...this has got to be some of the worse advice I've seen in a long time!
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 12:11:46 PM
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NotSoMellowYellow
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Dude...stop giving out advice! You have once again proven that you don't know what the fug you're doing or talking about...this has got to be some of the worse advice I've seen in a long time!
Please dude I have seen some crazy sh*t done to bikes and the riders are just fine, I am not so sure what makes you an authority on advice giving but lowering your bike isn't gona kill you. especialy if you are not out showing you ass. You can lower your bike raise it, go back and forth lengthin it, put choper handles on it, put oversided tires on it, you can even wear a funny freakin hat and makup if it makes you feel good on your bike, what ever as long as you don't push the bike past the limits of what you have done to it. Dam some of you need to come off your high horse and get real. Not everyone is out trying to get the best lap time they just wana be comfortable on their bikes and have fun. You need to take precautions in this sport, but if you are carful you can ride for may years without problems, even on a lowered bike, I've seen it done.
Speaking of advice you don't have to try and scare the crap out of somone just because they are doing somthing you wouldn't, let the dude do what he wants as long as safty is first.
...and further more I happen to know a great deal about street riding, track may be not , but street riding I happen to be pretty good at. Yes I know what is next, there is always room to learn, of course but because you have your bike set the way you want dosn't mean thats the only way to have it...Oh my god because somone has been on the track dosn't mean they are the god of bikes. I understand you are experienced but you have now Idea as to how well I ride nor do you have any Idea as to my capabilities. Before you reply to this in you post tell me what is so wrong about my advice, tell me for instance, what the death toll or crash records for lowered bikes are compared to untouched stock bikes or somthing anything other than stop giving my opinion and telling me what I do or don't know. The only real advice or opinion I have seen on this thread is he shud have bought a bike that fit his hight especialy if he is a new rider. Hell if some of you guys had it your way he'd be out on a tricycle in the drivway running around cones and practicing hand signals or some crap.... Well I need to quit drinking coffe but I had to get some of this out.
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These threads are too damn funny. blah blah blah...do what feels right to you. I ride with a lot of RR riders and some of them have their bikes lowered properly (front and rear) and they keep right up with the rest of us.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 12:45:52 PM
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Fretless33
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Speaking of advice you don't have to try and scare the crap out of somone just because they are doing somthing you wouldn't, let the dude do what he wants as long as safty is first.
I don't sugar coat things, especially when it comes to safety! I'm an emergency room nurse in a level one trauma center and I've seen some crazy sheist too...some directly as a result of lowering motorcycles...it scares the crap out of me, so why not pass this experience along?
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...and further more I happen to know a great deal about street riding, track may be not , but street riding I happen to be pretty good at.
I guess I know a little bit about riding too since I started riding dirt when I was 8 years old, got my first street bike in 1984 (but I started street riding earlier) and rode pretty consistently ever since...I put 65,000 miles on my first motorcycle. However, I am new to sport bike riding...I've only been sport biking since 2003 when the 600RR came out...it's a completely different style than cruiser riding...I have no idea why you think I only have track experience unless you're trying to use that as a way to exclude me from giving out "real world" motorcycle advice?
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you have now Idea as to how well I ride nor do you have any Idea as to my capabilities. Before you reply to this in you post tell me what is so wrong about my advice, tell me for instance, what the death toll or crash records for lowered bikes are compared to untouched stock bikes or somthing anything other than stop giving my opinion and telling me what I do or don't know.
So you ask me what's wrong with your advice, but then you limit me to only respond with giving statistics about lowered versus non-lowered motorcycles...I couldn't even begin to think of where to find those statistics, but I'm sure they're out there...am I going to look for them...no...
The problem about throwing on a dog bone, getting confident then raising it back up is the bad habits that will develop as a result of riding on a lowered bike, then trying to adjust again after you raise it up again...stop light confidence might mean a lot to some people, but I would rather learn on a stable motorcycle with a suspension set up properly for my weight and riding style than have both feet flat at a stop...but I guess some have different concepts of safety...aye?
You're right, I have no idea how you ride, but I do know what you write and like I've mentioned before, most of the stuff you write is waaaaaay off and flat out wrong and if you follow the techniques you write, then your style is probably equally wrong...have I made an inaccurate assumption?
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 1:21:10 PM
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 1:46:14 PM
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The problem about throwing on a dog bone, getting confident then raising it back up is the bad habits that will develop as a result of riding on a lowered bike, then trying to adjust again after you raise it up again.
As far a bad habits you will learn, the balance, turning and stoping of a bike are all the same no matter what the height the bike is, you mention books in other post, here is one for you. Look up the dynamics of Motorcycles on the web you will find a book by Vittore Cossalter and a link to wincyclopedia These will both show you that no matter how tall, long short or small the bike is as long as it has only two wheels and steers at the front it will operate the same no mater how many moving parts, gravity g-force and centrifugal force are always present and have the same effect on the bike, the improvements that have been made in these past years are simply ways to better manipulate these factors.
If what you are saying were true then every one that learned how to ride on an older bike that had terrible handleing and steering capabilities has poor skills and every time you get on a lessor or different bike you are ruining you skills and learning bad habbits. If he learns on a lowered bike and then raises it then he must in escence, re-learn how to ride the bike? Well this happens every time you get on a bike that is unfamiliar, you would probably call this getting a feel for the bike, however it is the same thing as re-learning you just have the basic skills mastered so that this "getting used to it" period is very short maybe a few rides or just a few miles.
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You're right, I have no idea how you ride, but I do know what you write and like I've mentioned before, most of the stuff you write is waaaaaay off and flat out wrong and if you follow the techniques you write, then your style is probably equally wrong...have I made an inaccurate assumption
My ability to feel the effects of my bike transform these feelings into technical Jargan and then transform that into writing is not a reliable way to determine my skills, That would be like saying since I can't spell very well I must not be able to drive a car. and if that is true, people who don't know politics shouldn't fly planes. You see I know what I am feeling on the bike, I know what I want the bike to do, I just don't know how to word the questions in technical terms so that you will understand it, and I am sure if you were in the pit at a GP race, even you may even seem less skilled when disscusing technical info.
As you stated above you learned on a street bike, I learned on a Honda Trail 90, 20 years ago. This bike was crapy and had no ability to turn well or do much of anything does this mean that all of the skills I learned are crap as well NO. I was just unable to push that bike to the limits that the RR can go to. YES I re-learned some things on the RR but the basics were all the same and any bad habits were transformed as I got better and rode longer, and they are still improving today.
After all of this BS in my humble opinion I say make your bike fit your needs and wants and as they change you can change your bike with them to keep yourself out of harms way.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 2:16:57 PM
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Dude, I know its frustrating, but your wasting your time ! The lack of any real understanding of how a suspention works makes some guys so scared to mess w/it that they're just going to blather on and on about how it shouldn't be done. (mostly because if they don't get it, the rest of us must not get it either) The Honda gods made their bike that height, so it must not be changed, and they will come up w/all sorts of reasons why. Some of the points are valid, but not to the degree that they are spouting off about. Like the story about the girl who low-sided "because her bike was lowered". Guess its not possible that she was over riding the bike for the conditions, or that even a stock height bike may have had a similar problem, or maybe even that she was just a poor rider !!?? NOOOOOO.... it was caused by lowering a bike that she probable wouldn't even have ridden at stock height. If they had a clue, they would say "Its not the best idea, but can be done" Not all this the sky is gonna fall on you bs.
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 2:29:07 PM
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A quote from Sport Riders about the do's- don'ts of lowering a bike.
"Although lowering sportbikes is more commonly associated with dragracing, the new breed of sporting machinery has sufficient ground clearance to handle some slight lowering for those individuals who feel more comfortable having both feet on the ground at a stop. As long as you remember the limitations of this modification, and get the proper professional technical assistance to set up your bike after being modified, you'll be able to experience nearly all of the exciting performance of today's sportbikes you thought you'd miss out on"
The whole story...http://www.cbrforum.com/m_172601/tm.htm
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 2:40:21 PM
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Fretless33
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ORIGINAL: NotSoMellowYellow
As far a bad habits you will learn, the balance, turning and stoping of a bike are all the same no matter what the height the bike is, you mention books in other post, here is one for you. Look up the dynamics of Motorcycles on the web you will find a book by Vittore Cossalter and a link to wincyclopedia These will both show you that no matter how tall, long short or small the bike is as long as it has only two wheels and steers at the front it will operate the same no mater how many moving parts, gravity g-force and centrifugal force are always present and have the same effect on the bike, the improvements that have been made in these past years are simply ways to better manipulate these factors.
If what you are saying were true then every one that learned how to ride on an older bike that had terrible handleing and steering capabilities has poor skills and every time you get on a lessor or different bike you are ruining you skills and learning bad habbits. If he learns on a lowered bike and then raises it then he must in escence, re-learn how to ride the bike? Well this happens every time you get on a bike that is unfamiliar, you would probably call this getting a feel for the bike, however it is the same thing as re-learning you just have the basic skills mastered so that this "getting used to it" period is very short maybe a few rides or just a few miles.
I see where you’re going with that and I’m sure the book describes it better, but the way that is written right now is unbelievable and inaccurate…altering the suspension changes the dynamics of the motorcycle; for example, dropping the front will make it turn too fast, or dropping the rear will make it turn too slow. Also, in every instance your going to change ground clearance which is a huge issue on a sport bike! Additionally, throwing on a dog bone “screws up the lever ratio of the rear pro-link suspension. The angles on the 'C' piece of the linkage change pretty significantly which affects the pull on the bike and affects how the rear shock responds.” I can’t imagine how every motorcycle will be the same as long as it has two wheels and steers at the front, but that making sense to you again reveals how little you know…
Another thing is it may seem as though I’m being mean and picking on you, but my criticism goes beyond grammar and spelling…I’m judging by the information and content you write; for example:
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1) Getting it over, I feel as if I have to hang off the bike, way off when turning at speed. I hang off to get the weight further over because when the bike leans over it seems to loose traction and get very heavy on the inside. as if it is going to fall and it takes a lot of steering to get it to stand back up. The tires feel as if I am on slime in the back and it is just a mater of minutes before she goes out from under me.
Maybe you were just describing what you suspension issue was making you do, but that’s not why you lean off the bike…even abadfish commented on this, but you were very focused on your suspension being the issue and not your riding style, but you can’t tell someone something when they won’t listen.
Then there was this:
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As far a settings go I tried sport rider mag settings and they work fine on the road until I try to get giggy with it. Let me ask some more anoying questions here. Same question new perspective.
Why would the front tire trail outwards, or fade out from under the bike when in a steep turn too much counter steering? suspension to soft causing the bike to close the forks? Dampining not letting the forks rise back up and forks sink and stay compressed, or oposit staying out too far and to much rake causing the choper syndrome. I know it is probably a combo but
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RE: new 04 cbr 600rr height is too high.... help - 12/22/2006 2:49:40 PM
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Fretless33
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ORIGINAL: FATHEADS1KRR
Like the story about the girl who low-sided "because her bike was lowered". Guess its not possible that she was over riding the bike for the conditions, or that even a stock height bike may have had a similar problem, or maybe even that she was just a poor rider !!?? NOOOOOO.... it was caused by lowering a bike that she probable wouldn't even have ridden at stock height. If they had a clue, they would say "Its not the best idea, but can be done" Not all this the sky is gonna fall on you bs.
I can see you were sleeping in class too aye? LOL
It was a direct result of her bike being lowered! Here...let me describe what happened again (in a nut shell). Her bike was lowered three inches, she was on a leisurely (slow) ride with her boyfriend, she went over a very large bump in the road (these are common in Michigan), the bump hit the bottom of the bike, cracking the oil pan, oil spilled on her rear tire, she lost traction, went down hard and that's when I got the pleasure of meeting her in my emergency room!
Get it now...any questions?
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