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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/16/2007 4:04:09 AM

Ferlev

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Thx Guys,

I just ordered a new CCT. In Denmark this thing costs 185$.. So better hope it helps :)

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/21/2007 2:41:36 PM

yas001

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where do you see the part list? I just spoke to one dealer today, he couldn’t get the CCT. I'll have to find one myself or get it directly from Honda?!

Ferlev,

I have not replied you. I found the list of parts at http://hondapartsdirect.reachlocal.net/default.asp

Collector,
How can I clean the tensioner? Tensioner should be removed from the engine?

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/24/2007 5:15:15 PM

Ferlev

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Hi All,

Here is the latest update on my project. I got the new CCT the other day, so with nice weather and spring in the air, I want to install it this weekend!

I’m still not sure on how the cam’s and everything should line up, here is a few picture and I’ll explain below. BTW, I “only” had to pay 160$ for the CCT. I see on Hondapartsdirect.com it’s only 129$.. But it’s ok :)

This is the crankshaft hole cap. It was pretty hard to remove, but finaly came off. You see the marks on it from the hex slottet wrench..

Old and new CCT, not much difference.. I will measure it and compare later..

So this is the mark line-up exactly as the manual said. Can anyone confirm this is right?

This is where my problem starts. Somehow I got the two cams mixed up. I know the front end cam is the exhaust cam right? So this should be the one marked with EX, and the other one for intake is marked IN right? Just to be 100% sure :)

Now for the cam alignment, I don’t’ get what the manual states on page 8-6.
It says “Align the “IN” marks on the intake cam sprocket and “EX” mark on the exhaust cam sprocket with the cylinder head upper surface.
The fourth and last picture on that page shows two hands adjusting the cams in the right position. What I don’t see is what side this picture is being seen from? What is front?
The EX and IN mark are on both my cams?

Is the abowe picutre wrong? Maybe I’m a little dumb here, but I don’t want to do this wrong :)
Thanks again guys :))

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/24/2007 5:28:53 PM

waz57

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My 92 has 94,000 on her and with a fresh belly of oil in her she has a light tick and once warm you can hardly hear the C/C, but I beleieve mine had a reasonably care for life before me now its just gets pampered.

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/24/2007 7:07:16 PM

collector

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Ok Ferlev. You have the cams in the correct position and from the photo I can see that tou have the crank in the right place as well. Now ensure that the cam markings are facing upwards, ei in and ex. The front that you are asking about is the exhaust side. Also if you look at your cam chain you should notice that one of the links will have a white timing mark on it. Now remeber, your engine turns anticlockwise. When you place the cam chain over the cam ensure that the marks are facing upwards when the chain is taught before you tighten down the cap bolts. When you turn the crank anticlockwise ensure that the marks come back to the top position before moving on. Good luck.

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/25/2007 3:16:22 AM

Ferlev

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C Thanks... How about this "Molybdenum disulfide grease" the manual says you have to apply? I don't have this, is it a must?

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/25/2007 4:32:54 AM

collector

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You can use vaselene instead. It will work as good.

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/25/2007 11:09:00 PM

cycleslim

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Ferlev, looks like you are making progress, This suggestion may help you in indentifying the front of the motor from the pics in the manual.
Look for the 2 screw bosses that are at the front of the clynder head cover (you will be looking at this from the seated position on the bike). The manual shows both views from the left and right side of the motor.
Just pulled my manual out and took a look at the last picture on page 8-6, That view would be from the left side of the motor. The "EX" mark is in the guys right hand. You can see the 2 screw bosses in that pic. Collector is right - after you get the cams and tensioner in rotate the crankshaft SLOWLY and make sure the cams line up when you put the crank back to the "t" mark. The 3rd pic down on page 8-7 is from the LEFT side of the motor (again as you are sitting on the bike). Hope this helps, cycleslim

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/26/2007 4:15:22 PM

Ferlev

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Guys thanks!

I got the cams in place and aligned the marks as good as possible. I would like to hear you’re opinion on how you think my marks line up.
The first set of photos is from the mounting, the next set is after turning the engine several times.

I might think I have the inlet cam one tooth wrong? (DAMN!?)

I tried to align the marks as well as possible, but then the T-mark doesn’t align any more? Is there something wrong with the “Ignition pulse generator”??

One last thing, I bought a new cylinder head cover gasket. The manual says I should use liquid sealant as well, is this necessary? What is the easiest way to assemble this? Should the gasket be placed on the cylinder head cover or on the cylinder head?

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/26/2007 5:52:05 PM

Motor_Fan

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hy
yes by your photos looks like one of the cams is one tooth behind or forward depends on how you look at it. I have to adjust my valves prety soon and that's gonna be the first time i take the cil head cover off. One thingh thou... by your pictures it looks like your cam chain is a bit to stretched (does not sit evenly on the cam gears) Can someone else confirm this?! As I said i'm not sure of what I'm sayng as I still didn't see my CC. So please don't worry untill enyone else comments something about this... Whats the mileage on your bike? One way to check any chain if its out of spec is to cover the entire gear with the chain (put the chain seating on all of the gears teeth) and pull it outwards (away from the gear's center) from the oposite side of where it starts/ends on the gear. I shoul not have any play/ slack!
I hope I'm wrong but if your chain is close to the end of his life then the tensioner will get worn out a lot faster!
Best regards

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/26/2007 8:57:49 PM

cycleslim

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Ferlev, from your pics it looks as though you have installed it correctly. I would assemble the camshaft holders, this will make sure the cams do not move in the journals (no free play). That is where I suspect you may be getting the little bit of a misalignment. Looks like the cam chain in not fully seated on the cam sprockets. MAKE SURE you use an assembly lube or vaseline on the cam journals as you don't want to dry start these. The liquid sealant is for just around the cam notches on the cylinder head, you only need a little bit. I would mount the gasket on the cover first then put the cover on the engine.
By the way take the chain off of the cam sprockets before you install the camshaft holders. Pay close attention to the tightening sequence and the torqe spec for the camshaft holders too. good luck, cycleslim

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/27/2007 5:15:24 AM

Trips

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My Alignment marks didnt quite lineup with the case either. If I moved another tooth it would go to far the other way.

Either myself (and the mechanic after me) has got it installed wrong or its just the way it is.

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/27/2007 2:36:29 PM

Ferlev

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Hi all,

Thanks for the replies.

Motor_Fan, I know what you mean when you say the CC looks a little weird. Not sure how to say in English, but the chain isn’t symmetric like the drive chain, if you look at the pictures you can see the “tooth” side is different. I guess you need to see it to understand. I will check the chain to see if it’s worn.

Cycleslim, The install was acutaly easier than I expected. Without the camshaft holdes and the exhaust cam in place first and pressing the CCT it all “snaps” or “smacks” in place. You don’t want you’re fingers in the way! I believe this is right. I used Vaseline and think it’s all right.

Trips, Do you know what happens IF I’m one tooth wrong?

I will go to my garage now and disassemble the whole thing again and move it one tooth. Then check the marks again and see if it’s any better. I will keep you updated J

Thanks for you’re input..!

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/27/2007 4:00:04 PM

Ferlev

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Hehe.. That was easy :)

I moved it one tooth. Looks like a perfect fit now! I'm happy with it! I only removed the inlet camshaft holders and it worked fine.. I also filled the new CCT with new clean oil and installed the sparkplugs :))
Now I only need some of this liquid seal and new exhaust gaskets, them I'm ready!!

(The picture is taken from a slight angle, but comparing to the exhaust cam picture above, it looks nice...

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RE: Cam Chain Tensioner - again - 3/27/2007 4:41:32 PM

collector

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Nice job ferlev. Glad to see that you got it sussed. Its not easy to interpret what someone is trying to put across and you've done a great job. Good luck when you go to fire it up, just remember, keep the cutoff swicth on to give the oil a chance to get up to the head before you fire her up for real. Let us know how it goes..

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