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Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/19/2007 8:34:36 PM

pastorofdisaster

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Hi,
I recently bought a 1990 hurricane with 9500 miles. It has been stored for about 3 years and does not run. The previous owner took it to the local Honda shop and they gave him and invoice of what they say needs to be done. I have the invoice. The only substantial thing is rebuilding the carbs. (The other items were things like a $60 oil change.) He said they got it started, but it ran rough due to the carbs.
           It did not come with a battery and I was short on cash, so I made the idiotic mistake of connecting a 2 amp charger to the lead wires to see if it would run. (FEEL FREE TO FLAME ME FOR THAT ONE!!!) When I turned the key on it clicked loudly so I immediately turned it off.
           After I got a battery, all the lights and gauges work but it would not start. All the fuses I can find seem to be fine. If I spray starting fluid in the intake it will start for about 1 second and die. After finding CBRforums I became suspicious of the fuel pump or voltage regulator being blown because the pump does not make a light clicking sound when the key is turned on.
           I disconnected one of the fuel lines coming out of the pump. With the key on, nothing happens. When I press the start button, fuel comes out. I then tested the voltage coming into the fuel pump. With the key on it goes to about 1.5 volts and then to 0. When the start button is pressed the voltage jumps to around 10. (It is inconsistent.) If I connect the battery directly to the fuel pump, it clicks lightly. This leads me to believe that the fuel pump is o.k.
           Next, I bought a regulator off Ebay. I just installed it today and everything is exactly the same. I know that I screwed something up, but I have no idea what!
           Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks!

-daniel

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 7:54:38 AM

renns

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A dead battery will make a clicking sound, sounds to me like you're just not getting enough power to the start the engine.

Buy a battery and then check things.

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 10:02:21 AM

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I have been using a brand new, fully charged battery.

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 10:33:51 AM

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Your hurricane has a fuel pump? But the f2's don't?? Thats wierd. If the carbs need cleaned it may not start at all until you get that done. I would also try changing the plugs.

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 10:51:55 AM

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you are gonna want to get those carbs cleaned, as well as replace the plugs and fuel if you have not already. i let my bike sit too long over the winter and couldnt get it to start. changed the fuel and plugs and she fired right up. also inspect your fuel tank for rust if its been sitting.

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 1:34:52 PM

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Thanks for the replies so far.

The spark plugs are new (I should have mentioned).
Am I correct about expecting to hear the fuel pump when I first turn the key on?
Are there any other sensors or relays that I should look into?

-thanks

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 1:49:12 PM

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Have you tried looking ate all your fuses to see if they are all intact? Including the ones that are located near the battery itself? They should be opposite to your fuel petcock.

Also try running the bike without the pump. I had mine run in gravity feed mode for about a year and it worked well enough.

bryan d

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 2:45:36 PM

rrasco

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the fuel pump should click. are you actually hearing it click or feeling it? i cant hear mine, only if i put my hand on it i feel it click. like bryan said, check your fuses including the main fuse on top of the solenoid. how does it sound when you are trying to turn it over, is it attempting to turn over and just not getting their, or are you merely hearing a loud click? if so, is the click really coming from your fuel pump or is it coming from the solenoid?

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 3:15:05 PM

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While we're on the topic of batteries..

When my bike runs with little battery (not enough to turn over the starter), it makes clicking and the tach rises. Whats that about?

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 3:34:16 PM

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When the starter solenoid dies, the only thing it does is click.

Try jumping the solenoid posts with a screw driver.

Turn the key and bar switch to run, jump the solenoid terminals with a screw driver and see if the starter turns over..

If the starter turns over using this proceedure you have a bad starter solenoid.

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 11:11:37 PM

drakito

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quote:

When my bike runs with little battery (not enough to turn over the starter), it makes clicking and the tach rises. Whats that about?

the alternator puts a higher load on the motor causing the rpm's to rise to accomadate it. Also when the voltage is low the fuel pump will get loud and click because lower voltage causes an increase in current to keep ot still working, which equates to heat and noise. i.e. the pump has to work way harder.
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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/20/2007 11:58:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SIRR1

When the starter solenoid dies, the only thing it does is click.

Try jumping the solenoid posts with a screw driver.

Turn the key and bar switch to run, jump the solenoid terminals with a screw driver and see if the starter turns over..

If the starter turns over using this proceedure you have a bad starter solenoid.

that could also mean the start button wires are corroded.

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/21/2007 9:58:41 PM

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I would definately get the carbs fixed.... these things really don't like getting put away for long periods of time. The last time I stored mine for 2 months ( with sta-bil) it ran the battery out before it started..... I had to bump start it..... which leads to.... if you want to find out if it's a problem with the starting system or something else just take a few minutes ( or half an hour with crap carbs) and try to bump start it.... get on a hill, with the bike in 1st, pull in the clutch, get a running start, dump the clutch and it should turn over...... good luck

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/22/2007 11:28:47 AM

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I've bump-started my bike many times, but a couple of times the battery was COMPLETELY dead, and the bike wouldn't start. And I was on a big hill. I think maybe the fuel pump had no power, and thus wouldn't send fuel to the carbs. Just a thought.

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RE: Newbie mistake, please help! - 2/22/2007 12:41:36 PM

rrasco

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I would definately get the carbs fixed.... these things really don't like getting put away for long periods of time. The last time I stored mine for 2 months ( with sta-bil) it ran the battery out before it started..... I had to bump start it..... which leads to.... if you want to find out if it's a problem with the starting system or something else just take a few minutes ( or half an hour with crap carbs) and try to bump start it.... get on a hill, with the bike in 1st, pull in the clutch, get a running start, dump the clutch and it should turn over...... good luck

just remember to pull the clutch back in quickly once it fires up, if it does fire up that is.

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