RE: Shifting into First..
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/15/2007 12:37:22 PM
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DDCavi
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Ive owned 5 spd tuner car. It would not allow the car to be put into first until STOPPED. Also im not talking about pulling in the clutch and stopping then going down 4 gears. 
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/15/2007 6:51:48 PM
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KidCr3nshaw
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I have no idea about a Cavalier - but if it was a real tuner, then you've got an aftermarket transmission, clutch and shift kit... right?
I guarantee I could get that car into first before stopping. I don't know what else to tell you, man. If I can romp a 99 Corolla 5-speed like it was an Evo - I fail to believe that a tuned up Cavalier wouldn't do the same.
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/15/2007 6:53:43 PM
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KidCr3nshaw
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Gerhard - I have heard of it happening, once or twice it's actually happened on my bike. I chalk it up to rider error not getting a solid shift into second. I know that was the case with my bike since the clutch, transmission and shift linkage is all still fine.
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/16/2007 3:59:01 PM
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DDCavi
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ORIGINAL: KidCr3nshaw
I have no idea about a Cavalier - but if it was a real tuner, then you've got an aftermarket transmission, clutch and shift kit... right?
I guarantee I could get that car into first before stopping. I don't know what else to tell you, man. If I can romp a 99 Corolla 5-speed like it was an Evo - I fail to believe that a tuned up Cavalier wouldn't do the same.
The syncros will not let the car into first until stopped or very close... Id bet you the car that you couldnt if I still had it. BTW if your such an amazing driver why arent you running tracks? Oh thats right, just another forum know-it-all.
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/16/2007 8:00:53 PM
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KidCr3nshaw
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Come on man - I've done my best to not be an ass. No one ever said I was such a great driver.
Again, I reiterate - I have no idea about a Cavalier (), but if that's the case (synchros), then there you have it. Can you not disable it? Certainly someone who had such a sweet ride with all the aftermarket goodies, you'd be aware of an override or a method of disabling... right? Ir is that just a $2000 paint job with a carbon fiber hood and some hood pins. I mean, come on man - we're not talking about onboard electronics preventing a car from downshifting...
We're talking about the ability to do so safely within the limits of your bike/cars mechanics. In that respect, yeah - I'd bang it down in first everytime. Disable that shit and you'd be fine. Maybe I could do it for you, haha.
Oh yeah - and I'm sure I could hand you your ass in a rear wheel drive V-8 if it's under 3,500lbs. If we're talking bikes, yeah - I'm getting there. I'll be at Heartland Park Topeka Raceway at least 2 times this summer - open up your bike and shut your mouth - we'll let the track times decide. I'm done.
Any vehicle can be downshifted, safely, within the vehicles mechanical limits, into first waaaayyyy before stopping. I know my F3 can be downshifted into first by blipping at about 6-7K RPM's.
Period - full stop.
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/17/2007 8:41:36 PM
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Fatboy
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Haha, this thread is great, some real wisdom here. Aftermarket tranny's for cavaliers, shift kits for manual transmissions, driving corollas like evos....
You mentioned people having slow upshifts, do you go clutchless?
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/18/2007 3:44:26 AM
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KidCr3nshaw
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I see, you like to be a smartass too, eh?
Again, I know nothing about Cavaliers, but being what, a 2.3L 4cyl. or a 2.8L or 3.0L 6cyl. ... surely there are aftermarket transmissions... are there not? And yeah - any manual transmission can have a short throw shift kit to reduce... well, stick travel. You know, that thing that slows down your overall times... ? Oh and, yes. I romped the hell out of that damn Corolla!
I tried the clutchless upshift thing when I found out I could, but unless I'm going fast, in a straight line, and banging through all the gears - I use my clutch.
Also - let it be known I wasn't pointing out anyone's slow upshifts dickhead - someone asked, I responded with a few assumptions of my own (like the likelyhood that the rider asking probably missed second a fair amount given his description of what happens).
So, for the second time, I've done my best not to be an ass and actually offer some advice to some that are asking for it.
Yes, you can downshift before stopping (way before stopping), without hurting anything. Yes, surely there are aftermarket transmissions (then again, it is a Cavalier...). You can buy shift kits for both manual and automatic transmissions and yes, I'll drive a Corolla like I stole it.
Hey, if it's education you guys want, I'm here all week.
Douchebags.
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/18/2007 5:42:08 AM
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Fatboy
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Hahaha, I wasn't attacking you man, but when you say "I've done my best not to be an ass" and call me a "dickhead" and a "doucebag", I wonder exactly wtf you are saying. Be an Internet badass, or a straight up guy offering solid information. These forums are for learning, not talking shit. You want to badmouth people, go to sportbikez.net or something.
"Shift Kits" are for automatics, they up the line pressure to make the shifts quicker and more solid (but i'm sure you know what they do). Short thows for a manual are another deal, haven't seen a short throw auto-shifter : ). And Cavaliers are incredibly slow , my Exploder is faster. If you've got the money to find/pay for an aftermarket tranny for a Cavi, you should buy a better car, as even a Z24 has limited mods, and it will still be slow after dumping boat loads of cash into it. If you want to go fast for cheap, buy a bike, get an economy car for when it rains. Instead of throwin thousands into my daily driver, I bought the bike b/c I love riding and I like reliability, and I know what "fast" is. And after having losing three friends by the time I turned 21 to speed/alcohol/stupidity, I understand driving fast on public roads, regardless of other drivers, is absolutley dumb. I'll save my speed for track days...
I've found clutchless upshifting is damn near seamless, it's not about speed, and from others I have been told it does not damage our trannys when done right. My question was about my CBR, I sometimes misshift into neutral from 1st when I don't use the clutch. I'm a novice rider, and my bike is in pieces right now b/c I'm rebuilding, but I'm asking if I need to adjust my shift lever/technique to go clutchless from first to second.
So please educate me... I'm hear to learn
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/18/2007 10:03:02 AM
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KidCr3nshaw
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Dude - I'm not hear to talk shit. I tried to avoid that, I went on the defensive, yes.
Anyway, the clutchless thing, yeah I agree. When you do it right, the only word to describe it is seamless. No hesitation. Just bam and go. But... to me, the only time I would use it is in a drag scenario.
The parkways I ride, I don't ever need to get out of second, I stay in the powerband at about 45-50MPH. So in that respect, there's no real reason for me to bang clutchless.
My experience with clutchless upshifts... it's a commitment-style of riding. You have to decide to do it, and don't hesitate. You can't do it and be tootling around either. You gotta be ridin' dat shiite. If you don't commit and go balls out, it's gonna tear up your clutch and/or tranny. That being said, I don't need to really use it. My best guess is that you're not following through with your shifting itself. Not having seen you ride - I can pretty much convince myself (because most novice riders have to break themselves of this habit) that's what it is. Practice jerking the sumbitch up in second. Try to figure out if it's you or the bike. If it doesn't do it when you're being completely deliberate about it - then it' you. Refine your technique and add some finesse and take away some brute - might work for ya.
Any-ghey, I thought you were provoking so I came at you. If that's not the case, no harm no foul. I just can't stand bitches running their punk mouths on the internet so when I see one I do my best to avoid them, but I felt like that avoidance was useless. So I tell ya where I'm gonna be and we can settle it in person, on the bikes or off...
No hard feelings - and as far as the original question goes...
BLIP THAT SHIITE!
< Message edited by KidCr3nshaw -- 3/18/2007 10:07:54 AM >
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/18/2007 6:24:40 PM
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davefolds3
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 I never got into cars nearly as much as I got into bikes but I was under the impression tuner cars looked a lil more along the lines of my boy's ITR...
< Message edited by davefolds3 -- 3/18/2007 6:26:29 PM >
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RE: Shifting into First.. - 3/18/2007 6:28:21 PM
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davefolds3
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As long as you're revmatching, I can't seem to think of a single problem that downshifting into first can cause (unless you've got some restricting synchros )
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