RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 5:54:21 AM
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woot
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You can buy bad new bikes as well.
When you buy a used bike sometimes things don't work out perfectly. It happens. It doesn't mean it is bad advice to buy a used bike.
What did you buy? Post a link to the thread with ALL of the information/problems with the bike.
You are being a whole bunch confrontational so don't be surprised when a few people get pissed and return the pleasantries. You get what you bring, and right now you're attacking the very people who could probably help you.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 9:19:41 AM
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fishfryer527
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Dflat57, I did exactly what you wanted to do... I bought a new F4i right out of MSF, why?? because I could. Was it the right choice? for me it was. I ride it more like a cruiser and less like a sportbike. I like it because it is relatively small enough and light, it fits in my garage in front of my vette and it is shiny and pointy. But make no mistake, this bike is terrifingly fast. A f**king Ferrari can't pull wheelies, a Ferrari won't highside from brake mismanagement, a Ferrari won't lowside on gravel, any mook with two feet can drive a Ferrari to 9/10th. Trust me, fast cars I have owned and driven, nothing can match a sportbike for acceleration and no car requires the skill to turn or stop like a sportbike does.
But I can honestly say, if your goal is to be a great rider on a sportbike, start small. You will not learn a bunch of bad habits like I have. Then again, you won't see me at track days and I am 44 years old so my next bike will be something like a a Guzzi Griso, Chopper, or VRod or something equally dopey.
Just because you bought something used that broke, don't think it was the wrong thing to buy. Once you get it fixed you will feel better. And when you crash it, hopefully only at slow speeds, you be happy you didn't screw up $1800 in fairings.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 10:37:22 AM
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cjp48
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Good summary by Bluefox,
As a new rider, the advice here has been fantastic. If someone gives me advice that I don't
think is right, I research it, and either find another solution, or smack myself for not getting it
the first time around.
The suggestions here are invaluable, and if we only had magazines and dealerships to listen to I hate to think where we'd all be.
The advice of starting on a small bike is a good one, clearly suggesting that someone start on a big bike is not good advice either. In my opinion, a smaller bike allows you to learn the on road things a little more easily, getting your foot down, checking mirrors and blind spots regularly, not fixating on things etc etc. Putting all those MSF things into practice does take time, and doing it all at the same time as wrestling with a 150 HP beast is not smart.
I like the advice, and to all you posters that answer questions regularly, Thanks - most of us appreciate it.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 12:31:32 PM
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Munson
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I won't pile on. Dude, I understand why you're upset. I'd be bumming too if I had a bike that wasn't running, and I couldn't figure out why. But for every bad experience like yours, there are plenty of good experiences like mine. I've bought two used F3s. One stranded me a couple times till I flushed the tank and replaced the fuel filter, and the other has been totally problem free. Maybe the guy you bought from knew the bike had problems, so he's the guy you should be blaming.
Maybe for newbs who don't have a lot of confidence in their ability to evaluate a used bike, it would make sense to pay a little extra and buy used from a dealer or mechanic, so if there are problems you can go back and have it taken care of.
Anyway, I hope you get your bike fixed soon, and get out there riding.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 2:07:51 PM
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hell_razor
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Of course, if you put a new bike down the first day you ride it and scrape up all four pieces of plastic on one side, you just paid for all of the repairs your used by will need, and them some, especially if you buy new OEM plastic. To put it in perspective, I replaced my flat black lowers on my silver 1000RR with glossy from the black. I got a pretty good deal on them, but it was still over $600 for them new. While I did sell mine and it paid for a lot of that, if I had wrecked it, down on the side, and replaced the upper, mid, lower, and tail, I imagine I would be out nearly $1,000. How much do you think your repair bill will be? There are certainly pluses to buying new, but buying a bike you know does not run already is asking for surprises. Each to his own, and good luck with your repairs. Always, RSD!
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 4:12:02 PM
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txf4igirl
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I bought a brand new bike myself for my 1st but I don't think that telling newbs to try used first is bad, just not applicable in my particular situation.
I can understand that you're ticked because the bike doesn't run, but is it really a brilliant idea to dump blame on a group of anonymous fourm posters? That's like continuously blaming cops for writing you speeding tickets = basically sticking your head in the sand about your own mistakes.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 4:48:26 PM
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RRbound
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I kinda agree with you on telling a person to start off small. I think if your gonna want to purchase a bike of any size do so and learn. You have to be patient and careful on any size you learn on. If you want a 600 or a 1000 then do it your an adult.
However i disagree on not gettin a used bike. They are obviously cheaper than new ones. If a bike needs alot of TLC then you learn more about it and won't forget what you learn. Everyone should know how to do some kind of work on their own bike.
Yes its frustrating when you cant ride your bike. But in the end when your on it ridin you can say "yep i repaired it" and you will feel a little more proud of what you have. If you just buy a new bike and never turn a single wrench on it then you don't have that bond with your bike that i personally feel everyone should have.
Sorry if i have made any enemies with my reply. No ill intentions meant.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 4:57:42 PM
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catamayo85
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ORIGINAL: RRbound
Yes its frustrating when you cant ride your bike. But in the end when your on it ridin you can say "yep i repaired it" and you will feel a little more proud of what you have. If you just buy a new bike and never turn a single wrench on it then you don't have that bond with your bike that i personally feel everyone should have.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 6:32:32 PM
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rogcbr
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quote:
ORIGINAL: EPNF4i
Yer drunk
LMAO!!
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Anway, wow...someone has some anger in him. I can see where you are coming from though, I'd be angry also. But I'm a new rider and I started on a 250cc for the MSF, bought a USED 03 600F4i...got a good deal on it...and been riding for 6 months, with no problems. Why did I get a used one? Because if I dropped it, which most do, I wouldn't be kicking myself in the arse as much if it were new. Live and learn. Next one will be new though...maybe.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 6:33:09 PM
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fakemeoutrepsol
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bummer dude, used bikes are just like used cars, some good some bad.
had the used bike been in perfect condition you would be happy with your purchase.
and if that same used bike was involved in mild drop or more severe accident.....again you'd be happy you purchased it vs a newer mexpensive bike.
i bought a 04 f4i as my first bike, i loved it, i felt extremely comfortable riding it, i knew becuase of my height and the weight of the bike that i wouldnt have problems keeping it from low speed falls. Some advise on buying smaller bikes for multiple reasons, either way you look at it, a new rider will 90% of the time benefit from buying the used "Starter" bike... me, i was too caught up in the looks of the bike, i knew not to mess with anything over 600cc but still didint like any of the 500cc bikes out there. one week of ownership and about 100 miles i wrecked it.......i figure about 3500 to repair it bacj to normal... ouch.
on the other hand, i suspect my accident was caused by my transmission locking up and dumping me off the bike...it was one of those situations where i was driving in a straight line and then woke up in a ambulance. prior to that i had notieced the bike popping out of gear while cruising. had i bought a new bike, could i have reduced the risk of a bike malfunction casuing an accident? yup! can i blame the bike 100% for my accident? nope! cuz i cant remember. if i had to do it all over again would i buy a new bike? nope, but i sure as hell would of had my used bike checked out thoroughly to ensure it was safe AS WELL AS MECHANICALLY SUITABLE FOR RIDING.
lesson learned.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 6:58:31 PM
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dflat57
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Who in the hell said new riders 90% on the time dump their bikes?? Where are these figures?? Who or what organization gathered this information. I am never afraid of the truth. I go to websites that have the pics of horrible bike accidents. Everytime I'm on a bike I am fully aware that the bike can drop.
The only point that was brought up that I didn't consider is the insurance for a new bike. But what city you insure the bike is also a factor too. What I pay for insurance here in NYC is probably the same price someone in a hick town would pay for a brand new bike with max coverage.
Even though your not paying attention to the transmission signs was probably why the bike dumped you FAKEMEOUT, if the bike was new you would not have had the amublance ride that day. Truth be told. Many riders start off new and never dump their bikes. Some vets to bikes have fallen more times than they care to remember. Sound more like fate, time, place and chance more than anything else.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 7:02:42 PM
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dflat57
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Oh yeah, I not drunk. Far from it. Check the person that made the comment about a CBR being a Ferrari and made up stats and figures about newbies dropping bikes before you look at me.
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 7:06:35 PM
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fakemeoutrepsol
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i stated 90% of new riders could benefit from a "starter bike" not 90% of riders drop their bike.
i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike" not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"
you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike. i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.
sorry for your misunderstanding :)
its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e. beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince. but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...
< Message edited by fakemeoutrepsol -- 3/29/2007 7:13:55 PM >
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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 7:24:06 PM
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dflat57
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quote:
ORIGINAL: fakemeoutrepsol
i stated 90% of new riders could benefit from a "starter bike" not 90% of riders drop their bike.
i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike" not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"
you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike. i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.
sorry for your misunderstanding :)
its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e. beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince. but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...
Sorry if I sounded like I was attacking you. I never want anyone to fall off their bike. Because you shared that problem with your bike that may happen to mine one day. I will always remember this because I don't want it happening to me. I'm saying this and leaving the whole thing alone. New riders should have a few lessons on a smaller bike and finish with the bike they WANT to ride. Thats my opinon and I am agruing no more. FAKE, may you never fall again and have a long life enjoying what I have come to love RIDING BIKES!!!!
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