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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 7:27:13 PM   
fakemeoutrepsol

 

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Yer drunk



niice, i hate when people missuse "your" or "you're" and especially when prefacing the word "drunk"   whereas "yer" would be the correct conjugation.  you get a gold star! :)

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 7:33:25 PM   
fakemeoutrepsol

 

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ORIGINAL: fakemeoutrepsol

i stated 90% of new riders could benefit from a "starter bike"  not 90% of riders drop their bike.

i say 90% because there are so many different benefits from starting out on a cheaper "starter bike"  not just the cost involved in repairing one if dropped......although that is certainly a benefit monatarily speaking, i think "Starter" bikes are recommended for "safety" moreso than "overall cost"   

you have expereince the negatives of a used bike, not the positives of learning on a more foregiveing bike.   i on the other hand experienced (potentially)both negatives.

sorry for your misunderstanding :)


its hard to say what caused my accident, i will let my ego take full responsibility for not riding to the fullest capabilites....i.e.  beeing new, not taking the motorcycle safety class, and anyother precautions i ay have missed due to lack of expereince.     but there is always that slight chance that the bike malfunctioned.....who knows...


Sorry if I sounded like I was attacking you.  I never want anyone to fall off their bike.  Because you shared that problem with your bike that may happen to mine one day.  I will always remember this because I don't want it happening to me.  I'm saying this and leaving the whole thing alone.  New riders should have a few lessons on a smaller bike and finish with the bike they WANT to ride.  Thats my opinon and I am agruing no more.  FAKE, may you never fall again and have a long life enjoying what I have come to love RIDING BIKES!!!!



thanks, i sure hope so, i would hate to spend all the money just to fix the bike and ride agian just to die on it and leave my credit union with so much unpaid debt :)  i had second thought of riding again, but waht the #$^& .  to quote Alfred from "Batman Begins"  "why do we fall?.......so we can pick ourselves back up"    well there is no good reason to ride again other than the fact that i wanna (*^%ing ride again!

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 8:51:46 PM   
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Hmmmm ok let me put my 2cents in on this one. There are valid points in most of these posts...other than the "Yer Drunk" one, we'll put that out as just another member not having anything valid to say! lol

The point here is if you feel the need and can afford the cash then so be it...buy new. BUT understand that a high percentage of "Sportbike" riders DO crash their bikes. Ask yourself...what do you want to do on your bike....? Do you want to simply cruise and be on a sportbike? Or do you want to stunt and pull wheelies and do stoppies and go FAST and drag your knee? If that is what your after....I will put safe money on the fact you will eventually drop the bike the more you push it and push yourself. That my friend is a fact of life....and I don't know about you, but I would rather drop a used less expensive bike than a new shiny bike! I myself don't have the extra cash to just toss away.

I commend you on taking the course and learning to safely ride your bike! And whether you choose to stunt or cruise as long as you play it safe you will be ok and things will be ok. I am sorry to hear your bike died.....we will talk about that in a minute. As for used bikes though, I have purchased MANY over the years. Most were what I paid for.....if there was a problem I had to fix the problem and believe it or not most problems were easily fixed when you know what to look for.

NO one on here is attacking you....you had frustration when you wrote your first note and some of these replies are based on members frustration as they may have felt you were attacking them. You are right, you didn't single out anyone or any topic you actually singled out the entire forum! But we are mostly mature members and can let it roll of our backs and understand your a new rider with your bike down. I would be upset if mine was out of commision and I couldn't ride. I live in Maine and we get even fewer months than you do in NY. So it's all good....

As for the bike....a few ideas. Do you have a friend with a truck you can pay $20 bucks to bring your bike to the shop? Or even in that BIG town find someone a stranger with a truck and offer 20 or 30 bucks to help you out.....you would be amazed at what people will do for money. But before you take the bike check a few things. You said it runs and dies when the RPM's get low....I am assuming it's carbed being that it is an older bike so check the idle. Thats the easiest thing first. Then if that doesn't work runs some carb cleaner(available at any VIP or Advanced auto or NAPA) and keep that throttle cranked so the bike runs and let the cleaner go through. If that doesn't work and feel mechanical, pull the carbs. It really sounds like it is starving or not getting enough gas. There are things you can check before you spend the cash your talking about....Take some time it wont take long....you obviously have a PC, you can look up any questions you need online. And believe it or not the members here can probably walk you through anything from troubleshooting to full repiars! I wish you the best of luck man! Keep us posted!

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 9:20:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musichyp

Hmmmm ok let me put my 2cents in on this one. There are valid points in most of these posts...other than the "Yer Drunk" one, we'll put that out as just another member not having anything valid to say! lol


"Yer drunk too!!!"
just kidding,  Please don't lock me out!
Keep us posted, we don't want this thread left unresolved.

On a serious note, we hope you get it running soon and start enjoy riding. 

PS: I LOVE the tella tubbies!!     <--- ha ha ya got me Musichyp


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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 9:46:03 PM   
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im sorry...but i 100% disagree w/ wat ur saying...i did just wat u recommend...bought a brand new 06 f4i last year...my first bike...then, being a new rider...i did wat almost all new riders do...went down/dropped it a couple of times...learned my lesson(s)...but now i have a bike which i still owe ~$8k on and is so scratched up its prob worth ALOT less than that, even tho it only has 2700 mi on it...so i would completely reccomend buying a used bike, so that way it is 100% yours when u hop on it...i have had nothing but love for starting on a 600...and honestly think i would get bored w/ a 250...so my recommendation is to start on a lightly used 600...and always make sure the person  has maintenence records or u completely trust them...and get a mechanic to check it out before u buy

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 10:01:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dflat57

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Haha, you admitted you are new to the bike world, so apparently you should have had someone look over the bike before you bought it thank new something about them. Is it carburated? If so, you may need to clean them and get them synced. Also, it could be connections somewhere. But your right, none of us know what we are talking about. But then again, we havent had a problem and all of our stuff is running (for the most part). You need to take it to someone that knows what they are doing. I  guarentee that you take it to a dealer service department, and it will be fixed. And you being on a 250 for 2 days in a class doesnt teach you everything that there is to know or let you feel the ability of it. So you dont know jack after 2 days of being on one. 


Stop assuming.  If you really need me to prove it to you I can scan my paperwork with the school on it, how much I paid for each lesson and how much time I've had on the bike.  They keep a log and they give their students a mini log to keep track of all of their progress.  I am a short lesson away from my road test.  Its still night and day from riding my CBR.  Its not bad for a newbie to have one feel of a 250, but after that he or she should be riding that bike they want to be familar with.


One lesson shy from a road test aye?    That should explain this whole thread!  Hahahahahaha.

I been riding 25 years and learn something different every time I'm out.  Some may say, I'm a step shy of a full staircase, but at least I aint one lesson shy of a road test.  Hahahahahaha.


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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 10:47:46 PM   
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Wow....one lesson away from a road test, yet you seem to be decades away from understanding an analogy.  But with you completely arrogant line of thinking, you should get a brand new bike, and since you seem to think that riding carefully will always prevent an accident, let that be the first thing you think of when you hit the pavement.  Because that is what I thought, after I had the notion that my uncle had been riding for over 40 years with out an accident and that I could do the same.  Luckily I was going like 5 when I dumped mine, but not everyone IS so lucky.  But I am done with this thread, sometimes the only way people learn is the hard way. Good luck kid.

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/29/2007 11:56:44 PM   
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CBR 600 as a first bike?  Are you kidding me?!  These bikes are too fast and aggressive for BEGINNERS.  On the other hand, a 250 (unless you're small in stature) is almost a waste of time too.  You will QUICKLY outgrow it.  Start with a used 600 Shadow, 750 Nighthawk or similar bike.  The Shadow sits low and has decent power and the Nighthawk is just a great all-around mid-size bike.  Ride your first bike for a year or two to get your feet wet, then upgrade when ready.  Unfortunately in your situation, you bought a lemon --  s**t happens.

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/30/2007 12:39:34 AM   
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My .01 cents.....do what you want. it's your life. we can't live it for you.

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/30/2007 1:12:21 PM   
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true. everyone on here says dont start out on a 600. hell man i started on a 600 and its no big deal. as long as you keep it low it feels just like a 250. just do your research and get exactly what you want and can afford.

many new riders cant buy used bikes because of 1.distance and 2.cost. i was searching for 3 weeks until i could finally find the model i like, in good condition, close enough to pick up with a friend, AND affordable. i bought my used bike 4 days before i was suppose to buy a new bike at the dealership. so yea thats all.

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/30/2007 2:09:13 PM   
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awesome post...
i think my personal quote will work perfectly here...
"let the ignorance die with the ignorant".

let's not let someone who's a total newb tell us how it is ok? so let's all keep our panties from bunching up.

BTW...wrenching on a car is NOT like wrenching on a bike...granted parts are similar...they aren't the same. the OP bought a POS and couldn't fix it...even with loads of car experience. if OP was so versed then OP would know that a bike makes much more noises than a car...so had you started up the bike you would've thought...oh it's not right...cause of all the clicks and this and that...cars don't have loud valve chatter like bikes commonly have, etc...

so please...don't assume you know bikes just cause you know cars.

thanks.

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/30/2007 6:03:51 PM   
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I am a new rider and agree with a lot of you about start small. but I am also 6.0 tall and 245lbs. My issue is i wanted a bike that i could have for years so i bought a 1000rr. And yes i am taking it easy on it and also I am not an agressive driver. My past few jobs have molded me into being safe as can be(Truck Driver/Bus Driver). What i am getting at is your body size should part of the reason what size bike you buy also. I have had mine for 3 Weeks now. I have put 600 miles on it. I even did Highway driving from Cocoa Beach FL to Orlando only 1 time though. Just be as safe as you can.

The best advice I would tell anyone including myself who is a new rider and even to people who been riding all thier lives is. DON'T DRIVE STUPID AND THINK YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ON A BIKE CAUSE IT ONLY TAKES ONE MISTAKE. And the last thing and the bigest one is. ALWAYS LEAVE YOURSELF AN OUT.

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/30/2007 6:35:02 PM   
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the size thing i kinda agree with.   if you are 5'4 and havent riden, you may expect to drop a bike a few times while you are getting accustomed to riding.

im 6'3 and feel that i have tons of leverage riding a f4i, i messed around in parking lots for awhile making sure i could do tight low speed maneuvers, i was really suprised how easy it was to handle, but alot of that was due to the somewhat lightwieght nature of the f4i and the balancing levereage i have beeing over 6 foot.   When i saw my buddies hop on my bike i got a little wary, since their feet couldnt both touch the ground or would only touch thier tows...for them i knew it would be easy to drop a bike.

when i think of "dropping a bike as a beginner" i think of very low speed turns, stop and go type stuff.  And if your on a sportsbike with a race type seating position and you find it hard to balance at low speeds and do not have the "safety net" of being able to place both feet solid on the ground, than i wouldnt recommend getting a brand new bike cuz chances are you may drop it.

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/30/2007 7:35:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tahoe SC

awesome post...
i think my personal quote will work perfectly here...
"let the ignorance die with the ignorant".

let's not let someone who's a total newb tell us how it is ok? so let's all keep our panties from bunching up.

BTW...wrenching on a car is NOT like wrenching on a bike...granted parts are similar...they aren't the same. the OP bought a POS and couldn't fix it...even with loads of car experience. if OP was so versed then OP would know that a bike makes much more noises than a car...so had you started up the bike you would've thought...oh it's not right...cause of all the clicks and this and that...cars don't have loud valve chatter like bikes commonly have, etc...

so please...don't assume you know bikes just cause you know cars.

thanks.


completely true ive been working on cars my whole life and know them inside and out and even though i know alot about cars when it comes the bikes the parts are similar and i dont assume just cause u do something one way on a car that u do it the same way on a bike its a while different maching, i dont assume that i can fix planes when i can fix cars just because they both operate on the same basic principles but yea just had to respond cause i thought that was a good post.

p.s. i was actually gonna post something about the valve chatter cause i can kinda hear something that sounds like valve noice but i couldnt tell if it was cause im just used to cars and now im basically sitting on the engine lol. so u pretty much answered my question without trying

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RE: I 100% disagree with a popular advice for new riders - 3/30/2007 7:37:06 PM   
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I am a new rider and agree with a lot of you about start small. but I am also 6.0 tall and 245lbs. My issue is i wanted a bike that i could have for years so i bought a 1000rr. And yes i am taking it easy on it and also I am not an agressive driver. My past few jobs have molded me into being safe as can be(Truck Driver/Bus Driver). What i am getting at is your body size should part of the reason what size bike you buy also. I have had mine for 3 Weeks now. I have put 600 miles on it. I even did Highway driving from Cocoa Beach FL to Orlando only 1 time though. Just be as safe as you can.

The best advice I would tell anyone including myself who is a new rider and even to people who been riding all thier lives is. DON'T DRIVE STUPID AND THINK YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ON A BIKE CAUSE IT ONLY TAKES ONE MISTAKE. And the last thing and the bigest one is. ALWAYS LEAVE YOURSELF AN OUT.


i swear my dad got that "always leave yourself an out" line burned into my brain over the years and when he first tought me how to drive and ive always remembered it and it has saved me countless times so good adivce

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