RE: Has anybody replaced the CCT??
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RE: Has anybody replaced the CCT?? - 4/12/2007 12:25:48 AM
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ajlong
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Tahoe, I understand your point of view and I did before, but I didn't think I'd have to rebute each point of your post. Obviously I do. Please, answer these questions for me.
How come you have had to play with "dozens" of cctl's in only 3 years if this is a perfectly fine part? How come Honda has to keep revising the part? What do you consider a "failed part", when the engine blows up, it failed? To me a failing part is any part out of the manufactures spec.
It isn't a safety issue, it's an engine performance and longevity issue. Honda is well aware of it. It's not Honda's responsibilitty to make sure you call them when there's something is irregular. If the cam chain were to fail, jump or whatever and cause serious injury or death because the owner doesn't maintain his/her motorcycle, well then they shouldn't own a motorcycle. We all know that when there's only two wheels touching the ground, maintenance is safety and irregular sounds and vibrations should be investigated and repaired.
Besides, "Engine Harmonics", exsessive clearences or vibrations would only assist in the opperation of the cctl. The frequence generated would reduce the amount of friction on the threads of the cctl shaft, wouldn't it? Especially with the threads lubricated with engine oil and have a spring pushing on it. But, the oem cctl does not have enough spring pressure to opperate properly throughout the entire adjustment range. Period.
Why do you "seem" to believe that any noise the engine didn't make before is ok now? I personally think that "Engine Harmonics", noises or vibrations aren't a good thing and should be repaired. Excessive vibrations, even small, leads to performance loss, premature engine wear and eventually failure. In your theory the shaft and tip of the cctl are the cause of "all" the noise, but if the the tip was actually touching the back of the cam chain slider, the pressure should be enough to eliminate most of the vibration and noise. Also, wouldn't the nylon cam chain slider dampen some those vibrations?
Do you know what preload is? Where on the cam chain are you checking your slack, are you checking between the cam sprockets or something? I'm sure you have noticed when your bike isn't making the "noise in question", your throttle response is crisper and the bike just runs smoother in general? I know I sure notice it. That's because the cam chain has adequate preload. Poor cam chain tension can retard the valve timing by as much a 2 degrees.
It has been my experience that my manual cctl works better than stock. The bike is crisper, smoother and quiter more consistantly. So what if I have to adjust it, only takes 15-20 minutes and that's with taking the tank off and on.
I don't care what you asserted time and before. Doesn't make you right.
To Everyone reading this: I encourage you to talk to your local Honda dealer and ask them about the cctl. Please, post your results. Let's settle this already, this isn't the first thread to have this debate. Don't listen to me, don't listen to Tahoe. Talk to the professional that you trust about this.
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RE: Has anybody replaced the CCT?? - 4/12/2007 12:40:02 AM
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Beowolf150
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Awsome post Tahoe!!!!!!!!!! +1 Thanks for the information i was going to buy an APE CCT. Now i am going to get the stock one. they are the same price from RonAyers.com . So that noise i am hearing is just the tip of the CCT, not the chain slapping against the case. Im just kinda worried about Damage to my bike.
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RE: Has anybody replaced the CCT?? - 4/12/2007 11:32:31 AM
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Tahoe SC
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ajlong...you win!
why do you resort to condescending questions and tone.
please don't waste my time nor yours by your rebuttals to my posts. from reading your post, i understand that you haven't done anything to back your claim, nor do your reasoning make sense. you can stand by your claims all you want and i will stand by mine.
and going to the dealer for answers? muuhahahahhah...there's a huge consensus that the dealer doesn't know crap...so i wouldn't believe what they say further than i can throw my bike.
i actually have a friend who works for honda in torrance, ca...and aside from honda parts...i get my questions answered from their R&D. i know...not much compared to the dealer but that's ok...cause we can't win them all.
the only thing i will agree with you is for people not to listen to me nor you...for them to do their own research, etc.
thanks very much all, it's been fun...as this is the last time i will comment on anything cctl related.
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< Message edited by Tahoe SC -- 4/12/2007 11:36:58 AM >
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RE: Has anybody replaced the CCT?? - 4/13/2007 1:12:12 PM
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ajlong
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Tahoe, I resort to condescending questions and tone because you basically called me a monkey, that you kicked me in the groin and that I'm unwilling to learn. I turn into a dick when someone deliberately tries to trash me. Don't get me wrong, I've read lots of your posts and respect most of your opinions, you give out good advice most of the time. It's just a shame you couldn't or wouldn't even answer one of my questions to support your "theory". But, let's agree to disagree on this matter.
< Message edited by ajlong -- 4/13/2007 1:20:13 PM >
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