RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quotas"
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/12/2007 8:50:08 PM
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fishfryer527
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I have a friend who is a cop and he says 9 times out of 10 the quota is bs and made up.
Ask your friend if when it comes to 'promotion time' or 'raise time' does it matter how many tickets were written.
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If they truly had quotas they could write you a ticket for 1 over. 66 is the same as 74.
My buddy gor a ticket for 32 in a 30...he was on a MOPED.
I'm not saying your buddy is a liar, but I wouldn't let him keep score when playing golf.
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/12/2007 10:38:33 PM
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I guess things are different in Canada. I am an officer in Ontario, Canada and no we do not have a quota. But I do go out and stop the, shall I say "creative" drivers out there. Least I remind everyone that rides on two wheels, if we "no good cops" did not keep the cages in line, I think we would all be lying under their bumpers.
Yes our jobs has some power trippers out there, but doesn't every job. Who's boss has not gone out of his way to show you that he is in fact "your boss". No I am not saying I am anyones boss, I am just trying to keep the streets safe for all users.
As for the real criminals, I have caught my fair share. By being out on the road driving around, "flying the colors" it does help in preventing crime and yes I would run into that burning building to rescue someone who is trapped.
Please answer this truthfully. How many people out there would walk into a house that you just got called to a domestic and the old man just tuned up the old lady and you have no idea what is waiting for you, or seeing a guy run from a B & E and you get out and chase him at 3am. You have no idea what they have. I have a wife and child at home and want to see them at the end of my shift, but if I am going to do my job I have to put it in the back of my mind.
As for the hose pullers, er.... I mean fire fighters. Yes they are hero's too. I give them all the props they deserve, but do they put there life on the line for the full 12hrs (that's how long my shift is). No. They wait for the call to come in and they to react. I don't see fire eaters driving around pro-activly putting out fire or knocking on doors checking everyones home to see if someone fell asleep with a lit smoke or someone left the iron on or the stove on.
So for my closing argument, anyone that puts their life on the line cops, fire fighters, EMT, nurses, anyone in the military, etc.... they are all hero's in my books.
Now I'll sit back and let you guy's and gal's rip me a new one.
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/12/2007 10:40:48 PM
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Listen, I'm gonna say this once and be done with this thread.
Let's just assume you have a family, kids and a house on a semi-busy street. You've paid for your house and your yard. Now let's assume your kids play out in the front yard. You know there is plenty of room that they don't need to be close to the street - but kids are kids.
Now let's assume you notice everyday there are morons flying down the street above the posted speed limit of 35MPH. Now let's say you've dealt with it for a year, but now some jackass comes FLYING down your street while your outside with your kids. He's doing every bit of 60MPH, all you do is stand up and watch the jackass fly by. Enough is enough. You call the chief of police and demand something be done.
Now let's imagine you live in a neighborhood with 6 other houses to your immediate right and left. Let's imagine a couple of them have made a complaint before, or making them now. They call the chief. GUESS WHAT???
The chief works for the mayor, do you understand that??? Okay, guess who the mayor works for??? YOU, THE PERSON MAKING THE COMPLAINTS!!! If that mayor wants re-elected, he's gonna listen when people make complaints. It's his job to make the city safer and more comfortable for those who inhabit it.
Get off your goddamned high-horse and shut your mouth. There is so much more involved here than you and your damn bike (which you probably speed around on in low gears letting everyone within a mile know you're coming), but you can't see that. You think you're being picked on. Get real - get a life and realize the world doesn't revolve around you and your less than substantial contribution to society.
What do you do for your city? Do you volunteer? Do you attend city council meetings? Town halls? Public forums?
Nope - but you'll come on a damn forum and bitch your mouth off. Get a life.
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/12/2007 10:55:44 PM
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Canada, you're good people bro. I did 4 years and got a bad taste in my mouth. My heart wasn't in it anymore, I hope you never experience that. But, if you do, it's time to hang up the belt. LE is too sensative a position for someone who's heart isn't in it.
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 8:15:25 AM
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KidCr3nshaw
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Well if you're talking highways, you're talking State Troopers... in that case I have nothing to offer in their defense! They are of a different breed altogether and would write their own mothers a ticket for speeding or failure to signal before a lane change. They have no discretions on who, when or where anyone gets a ticket. If you witnessed how their academy was ran you'd get an idea of why they come out with a chip on their shoulders. The Marine Corps hell week is only slightly above the difficulty of a troopers academy.
And no, I wasn't talking to you.
I was talking to the people complaining about, "directed enforcement" and it's relation to the publics misconcieved notion of quotas.
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 8:54:12 AM
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But my problem (and alot of other people's, as well) is getting tickets on a 6 lane superslab for going 72 mph in a 65 mph zone. I don't think I'm on a high horse when I complain about shit like that, and that seems like the majority of traffic enforcement that I see. Tickets aren't only about safety. LOTS of people get citations while driving safely, and that is bullshit. I don't intend to stop complaining about it.
your speeding hence you get a ticket your telling me that u couldnt slow down 3 mph more? that 3mph was gona make a big diffrence in the amount of time from point A to point B? so if its okay to go 7 over whos to say its not okay to go 10 over or 20 or 30 or do 110 down a highway?
dont forget thouse speed limits are set for more then just your motorcycle there set up for all traffic on the road cars, semis, trucks hauling boats and what not.
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 9:18:37 AM
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jaghunter
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They really shouldn't be pulling people over for less than around 5 mph over, because radar guns and lasers have to calibrated every so often which means that there is a margin of error in the recording of speed sometimes. That is what really gets me, I was pulled over for doing 31 in a 30, like I was meaning to speed and that is assuming that the gun is perfectly set and that there is no varitaion in speedometer etc. That really makes me angry. Save yourself the trouble and get a jammer. lol
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 12:22:19 PM
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cwmc29
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Whoever pulls someone over for 1 over is a dick. Myself, I have a person limit of 22km/h (14mph) over the speed limit. I police an urban community and if you are going that fast then you deserve a tag. I will reduce the ticket at the road side, but it is at my discretion. If you are acting like an ass then you will receive the full thing and anything further I can find. Be polite and I will use discretion and lower the ticket for no points and a lesser fine.
As for the radar, it does not need calibration unless it is not working correctly. I have used it enough to know when it needs sent in to be fixed. Trust me when I say that the radar works fine, it is your speedometer that need calibrated.
Going 10 over on the freeway you endanger no one. I think not. You go 10 over and go to pass another vehicle but the car in the other lane is going 10 under, your time and space to slow is shorter.
Yes there are some stupid laws in the books, but you voted for the morons that put them into effect.
Please don't paint all officers with the same brush, we are not all assholes. Some of use are doing the job to try and improve this world.
If you are going to break the rules, then take your chances. The only person to blame is yourself.
Thats just my .02
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 12:29:44 PM
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jaghunter
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Cops are just like all other people some you like, some you don't really care one way or the other, and others your gonna throw down with (this gets you no where, but jail though).lol
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 1:02:58 PM
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I'm not saying your buddy is a liar, but I wouldn't let him keep score when playing golf.
That is hilarious!
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 3:55:09 PM
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If they truly had quotas they could write you a ticket for 1 over. 66 is the same as 74.
My buddy gor a ticket for 32 in a 30...he was on a MOPED.
I'm not saying your buddy is a liar, but I wouldn't let him keep score when playing golf.
ROFLMAO....
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 3:59:26 PM
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I have a friend who is a cop and he says 9 times out of 10 the quota is bs and made up.
Ask your friend if when it comes to 'promotion time' or 'raise time' does it matter how many tickets were written.
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If they truly had quotas they could write you a ticket for 1 over. 66 is the same as 74.
My buddy gor a ticket for 32 in a 30...he was on a MOPED.
I'm not saying your buddy is a liar, but I wouldn't let him keep score when playing golf.
I got ticketed in Rockford for 35 in a 30 while only doing 20-25 (I was lost/turned around from I-80 working my way into WI from Utah). The cop says to me, "You probably won't want to come all the way back out hear from Utah to fight this ticket, so you can pay it no or mail it in."
Friggin' dirt bag country po-dunk cop. Cost me $91 AND they never marked my ticket paid so I have a revoke in Il and Utah. My WI is valid though, so screw them podunk bastards.
Oh yeah, in a car.
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/13/2007 4:06:39 PM
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bmg velocity
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The best way to fight small town speed traps is to simply not frequent the town...
Don't shop or buy anything there.
Call a few merchants, city council, whomever, and tell them that you told 100 people you know not to shop or even go into their town because of ridiculous over-ticketing.
True story....
In a car, you set the cruise control at or slightly below the speed limit
Coming over a hill...the control speeds up to 2-3 mph over briefly...cop is waiting on the other side of the hill and tickets you for about a 1-2 second infraction.
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RE: "Directed Enforcement"....not "Quota... - 4/14/2007 9:42:30 AM
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My thing about cops radaring is this, since when did it become a cat and mouse game, Your going to hide behind bridges bushes billboards whatever you can and then bust. Kinda seems like entrapment to me but that would never stand in court. If you catch me speeding good for you I f'ed up. But I will gladly pay my ticket. I got pulled over by a sherrif one day for 50 in a 35. I was driving my moms car (auto) everything I own is manaul well a manaul will hold its speed down a hill I forgot a auto wont. So I get pegged. I was polite and nice and apologized told him this is my moms car I am not used to driving autos that I only drive manauls and they hold there speed downhill. He told me I was full of shit not all my vehicles were manaul and so on. I came up with a great line ever since then, I told him thats ok he busted me this time because he has missed me the other 100 times.
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