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new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 4:26:22 PM
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daveh98
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Hey everyone, great site from the looks of it. I registered because I would like to describe a little about me, my situation and the bike I am looking to get.
I am almost 28 years old, about 6 ft tall and 215 pounds, in grad school and have no motorcycle experience other than going around the block on a katana 600. I bought my friends "can of tuna" (as a cowoker called it) which was a 1999 with only 8k miles. I rode it around the block, it scared the crap out of me and I sold it almost immediately after. I owned a pizza place at the time and realized I had no time to dedicate to taking the MSF course and I had no gear so I sold it because "can of tuna" or not..it was too scary. That was about 3 years ago.
Here is where I am at now. This weekend (27-29th) I am taking an MSF basic rider course. I went today and bought full gear. I got a good helmet, race jacket, padded gloves and boots. Totaling about 500 bucks. Its awkward spending 250 for the course (private course with less members) and 500 for gear without evening having a bike! oh well I digress.
Depending on how I feel upon successful completion of the course I do have my "heart" on the 07 600rr. I could care less about the speed, or if some jackass wants to race me on the road. I am not intimidated by that crap. But I do want a bike that I feel passionately about. I am big on asthetics. Unfortunately, they are 600 and up sport bikes. So if I feel comfortable would you say pull the trigger? Your input will be appreciated and I know there are two sides to the story. I would like people to assume that I am not really going to feel the urge or peer pressure to go beyond my limits (i used to be a boxer..not easily intimidated). I am more concerned about going over a pothole and upping the rpm too much.
Anyways, I plan to be active on the forums and am looking forward to getting into this course. I guess the great thing right now is....motorcycles scare the crap out of me! So i guess I have that respect right up front.
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 5:18:17 PM
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fishfryer527
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If a Katana was too scary, the 600rr will be more so. The ergos/power/brakes are all taken to extremes on an RR. If you want me to opine honestly, I say don't get one.
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 5:20:46 PM
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daveh98
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I thought that might be interpretted that way. I meant it scared me more because I heard it was a slow bike and it obviously isn't. I had no gear on, had no time to take the course and therefore sold it. That is why I have bought full gear and am taking the course in three days. I am aware that the RR will be faster than the katana.
Obviously every person is going to have different learning curves, abilities etc. I guess I am wondering how many of you guys/gals that are real riders know people that get the 600's and do fine with them? What traits do they possess that have led them to have success? I am sure I will have my own insight after the MSF course but I do want to begin thinking of the possibilities. Also, may 4th I plan to take the brc 2 more advanced course where you bring your own bike. So I will be going right from the msf basic rider course 1 to the second course only a few days later. This may help me as well. thanks.
< Message edited by daveh98 -- 4/24/2007 5:23:01 PM >
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 7:52:41 PM
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voodoochyl
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Well, I think you are going about it the right way, bike or not! It sounds like you have a head on your shoulders, and you are following a safety first philosophy. These sportbikes can go do a track day out of the crate, and kick butt with no modifications. Fryer isn't kidding about the "restraint" comment! The asthetics also drew me in at first. I always wanted a motorcycle, but I always knew it would be a sportbike, so I hear where you are coming from. You may really want to consider buying used, then when you are more comfortable on it, and less likely to take a spill, upgrade if you want at that time. Good luck, and welcome to the site.
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 8:30:50 PM
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CBRFREEK
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YES YES YES...by a used one...a 500 with 60hp is far more forgivng than a 07 600rr with 118 hp..espially if your forget that clutch at a light...but use your judgement
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 8:34:46 PM
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The throttle goes both ways  take yer time with this bike, it can and will kill you if yer not usin yer head 
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 9:07:19 PM
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daveh98
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thanks everyone, I appreciate the advice. I've really been going back and forth all day. I think the best thing I am going to do is do the safety class and then access where I am at after. I am not kidding when I say i have a lot of respect for the power of these bikes. I may just get a POS and kick that around the neighborhoods for a season if I still feel really ambivalent. I know in hindsight there really is no rush to get exactly what I want; when I am not even ready for it. But again thanks for the warm welcome. I will keep you updated on my progress when I start the MSF this weekend.
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 9:31:44 PM
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OGPlaya
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Hello and welcome to the site, respect the bike it will respect you! Learn everything you can from msf class. Take your time on the bike never be in a rush for your first time. Think safe be safe.
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 9:37:51 PM
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daveh98
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question. I have a feeling that I will feel confident with all my gear on and will do excellent on the 250cc bikes during the MSF. I am motivated and tend to excel in learning situations. My real fears are about the bikes during unforseen circumstances. For example: I am doing 30mph and then hit a bump in the road. How easy is it for the hand to just rev this type of bike into a wheelie? How easy is it to flip if you are being careful? What about stoppies? The breaks are great so how easy is it to stoppie and flip over if I have to break? These are things that I dont think I will learn on a 250 or 500 and are the realities with the 600rr.
Again thanks for all the replies; I am "taking notes." lol...
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 9:44:54 PM
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OGPlaya
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quote:
ORIGINAL: daveh98
question. I have a feeling that I will feel confident with all my gear on and will do excellent on the 250cc bikes during the MSF. I am motivated and tend to excel in learning situations. My real fears are about the bikes during unforseen circumstances. For example: I am doing 30mph and then hit a bump in the road. How easy is it for the hand to just rev this type of bike into a wheelie? How easy is it to flip if you are being careful? What about stoppies? The breaks are great so how easy is it to stoppie and flip over if I have to break? These are things that I dont think I will learn on a 250 or 500 and are the realities with the 600rr.
Again thanks for all the replies; I am "taking notes." lol...
Trust me on this one when you take your MSF class they will teach you everything you need to know. They will cover you on how to saftly apply your breaks and saftly run over objects etc.
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 9:47:58 PM
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Illushun
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ORIGINAL: fishfryer527
If a Katana was too scary, the 600rr will be more so. The ergos/power/brakes are all taken to extremes on an RR. If you want me to opine honestly, I say don't get one.
He wasn't asking for your opinion.
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 9:51:56 PM
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Illushun
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quote:
ORIGINAL: daveh98
Here is where I am at now. This weekend (27-29th) I am taking an MSF basic rider course. I went today and bought full gear. I got a good helmet, race jacket, padded gloves and boots. Totaling about 500 bucks. Its awkward spending 250 for the course (private course with less members) and 500 for gear without evening having a bike! oh well I digress.
Anyways, I plan to be active on the forums and am looking forward to getting into this course. I guess the great thing right now is....motorcycles scare the crap out of me! So i guess I have that respect right up front.
There is something to be said of the character that a person has when they start right out talking like this. It shows your thinking very smart. Let me know if the MSF course taught you this.... push left, lean right, turn right..... push right, lean left, turn left.
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/24/2007 11:52:15 PM
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voodoochyl
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quote:
ORIGINAL: daveh98
My real fears are about the bikes during unforseen circumstances. For example: I am doing 30mph and then hit a bump in the road. How easy is it for the hand to just rev this type of bike into a wheelie? How easy is it to flip if you are being careful? What about stoppies? The breaks are great so how easy is it to stoppie and flip over if I have to break? These are things that I dont think I will learn on a 250 or 500 and are the realities with the 600rr.
You will learn a technique called "S.I.P.D.E."
Scan
Identify
Predict
Decide
Execute.
Scan - you should scan about 12 seconds ahead of the motorcycle. You should scan or think about what is going to happen to you in the near future.
Identify - you should identify those items, issues, or targets, that could cause you a concern or problem.
Predict- now that you have identified those concerns or problems, it is time to predict how they could impact you. Hopefully they won't impact you, but how they could impact your safety.
Decide- You have Scanned, Identified a concern or problem now it is time to Decide what to do.
Execute - So Do It. You have Scanned for a concern, Identified the concern or problem, Predicted how it will impact your safety, Decided what to do - It is time now to Execute that decision and do it.
If you follow these rules, you won't hit that pothole, or you won't have to break immediately and cause yourself to do stoppies. Nothing is foolproof, but you can save yourself a lot of grief with this technique. The idea is to see the future, and make the adjustment before you have a problem.
< Message edited by voodoochyl -- 4/24/2007 11:53:05 PM >
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RE: new member lots of advice wanted - 4/25/2007 12:06:48 AM
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daveh98
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awesome advice and much appreciated. The more I learn the better I will feel going into the MSF. I am pretty excited to take the course. I have basically surrendered "what bike will i get" until after I complete the course. Upon completing the course then I will decide the bike. Then I will take the bike to the basic rider safety 2 course where u need your own bike. This site is great and am glad I came across it.
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