RE: Lookin at the RR for my first
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 10:36:22 PM
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TheX
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That's true, not sure why.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 10:44:22 PM
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actaully to be more specific, a modern 600cc+ class supersport.
That's what I meant, I think RR when I see people wanting to *learn* on a 600, especially here.
I think it's worse here than any other CBR600RR forum i've stumbled on so far...
Its DEFINITELY worse here than any other forum!!
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That's true, not sure why.
Its been my observation that this board seems to have the highest percentage of newer riders than other boards. So you have a lot of new riders starting on 600 sportbikes. I think this is why you have so much concurrence with prospective riders wanting a 600 as a first bike from other board members.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 10:49:03 PM
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TheX
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Funny, I've been riding for a lot of years, and I still don't feel the need to move up to (go back to actually) a bigger bike. the 600RR is a great machne.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 11:30:18 PM
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I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 11:41:19 PM
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What?????? He said that a 600 is NOT the best bike for a no0b, that would be you...not your friends.
actaully to be more specific, a modern 600cc+ class supersport.
when you said, "newb here looking for my first bike. a good friend just bought one and now its on to find one!" i took that to mean your good friend just bought his first bike, and now you feel you have to copy him. if this is not the case, and your good friend has been riding for years and bought a new to him motorcycle, then you need to work on your writing skills.
If however your good friend did in fact buy a 2003 CBR600RR for his very first bike, i stand by my words 110%. Here's my extra 10%...
A god damn fool buys a modern 600 class Supersport motorcycle for his very first bike. THERE IS A REASON YOU HEAR IT SO OFTEN and the ONLY people who have gotten through such a piss poor purchase choice tell you that they have, and they are god damn proud of it too. and they should be. they beat the odds instead of the odds beating them, which can, and so often does take their life or forever maim them and relegate them to a motorized wheelchair for the rest of their life. MOST WHO FAIL EITHER CANNOT TELL YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD or BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT IT WAS A POOR CHOICE AFTER SAYING THEY COULD HANDLE IT. These are the fools you see on Youtube.com crashing the bike into a tree or a parked car because they had no idea what to do, or new owners that just bought a $16,000 Ducati and didn't get 30 ft without crashing. you hear the stories second hand because no one who has boasted that they can handle it and have failed will man up to it (Pardon ladies, it's just a term). you hear it from their friends or family members as an, "I TOLD YOU SO!!!". you want to know what poor riding habits you can adapt SO quickly can be? I'll give a real good one. happens almost within the first 30 seconds of "Flight". Holding on tightly often accompanied with a wrist up. if your good friend is truly a new rider, check his wrist position. it should (better be) level.
friend with 03 cbr..bought in 03 for his first..still has it
friend with 04 gsxr600 bought in 04 for his first...still has it
friend with 06 R6 bought a month ago for his first..loves it
only the friend with the gsx has ridden a dirt bike when he was a kid and all three of them say I will be fine. I guess all 4 of us are fools....
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 11:42:16 PM
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I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
WHY do u say not to do it?? you have done it and say not to..what is your resoning?
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 11:44:38 PM
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TheX
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I guess all 4 of us are fools....
Fool is one word for it...
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 11:46:41 PM
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I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
This is the truth. I bought one as an investment because it needed a lot of work.siince finishing it and putting a few miles on it to test everything and all that crap, id have to say, somebody who isnt experienced should NOT have one of these. You want one because your buddy has one, and you pick one of the baddest bikes out there to jump on? Now you are going to go riding with him, get a little pumped up while watching him do something, get in way over your head, and now you have a wrecked 600rr, and that guy who just rode by on his new ninja 250 was laughing so hard he almost wrecked.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/25/2007 11:51:32 PM
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I took this from another thread on here where this was posted and it should be READ COMPLETELY and thought about.
Welcome to the passion of riding!
Now to answer your question ... note that the following is not written by me (it is written by a fellow rider) ... I've just condensed it a bit (believe it or not); I happen to agree with most of the following but you will get varying responses of all types from fellow riders and will have to make your own decision. Good Luck! Smile 
One of the most common questions new sport bike riders have is, “What kind of sport bike should I get?”
Getting ANY modern 600cc sport bike for a first ride is not a good idea for new riders (far, far, far worse is a 750cc or 1000cc).
Here are a few reasons why:
1. Knowledge of Subject Matter ...
When anyone starts something new they find themselves at the most basic starting level of the learning curve. Like riding a bicycle, you would not start this learning curve on a ten speed. This is to say that it takes knowledge OF something in order to understand how that something works, functions, performs, etc. Now let's return to the world of motorcycles. A beginner has NO motorcycle experience. They are not even aware of the power, mistakes, handling, shifting, turning dynamics etc. of any bike, let alone a high performance sport bike. Not only do they lack the SKILL of how to ride a motorcycle, they also lack the knowledge of what skills are even used when riding a motorcycle. Acquiring those skills comes only with experience and learning from your mistakes. As one moves through the learning curve they begin to amass new information…they also make mistakes. A ton of them.
2. The Learning Curve ...
While learning to do something, you make mistakes. Without mistakes the learning process is impossible. A mistake on a sport bike can be fatal. The thing new riders need to learn above anything else is smooth throttle control, proper speed, and how to lean properly going into turns. A 600cc bike can hit over 60mph in about 4 to 6 seconds. A simple beginners mishap with that much power and torque can cost you your life (or a few limbs) before you even knew what happened. Grab a handful of throttle going into a turn and you may end up crossing that little yellow line on the road into on-coming traffic…**shudder**. Bikes that are more forgiving of mistakes are far safer (not to mention, more fun) to learn on.
Unfortunately safety concerns with a first motorcycle aren’t as apparent as they are with other motorized vehicle purchases. However, the wrong choice of what equipment to learn on can be just as deadly, regardless of how safe, careful, and level-headed you intend to be.
3. “But I will be safe, responsible, and level-headed while learning" ...
Sorry, but this line of reasoning only works for some, do you want to gamble & guess if your are in that group or live to figure it out? Keep in mind that very few people buy a bike thinking they are not one of the above, unfortunately however, riders are routinely injured or worse, many while making "newbie" mistakes. To be safe you also need SKILL (throttle control, speed, leaning, etc). Skill comes ONLY with experience. To gain experience you must ride in real traffic, with real cars, and real dangers. Before that experience is developed, you are best suited with a bike that won’t severely punish you for minor mistakes. A cutting edge race bike is not one of these bikes.
Start with a solid foundation in the basics, and then move up. Many people say "just respect it and you'll be fine" or that “maturity” will help you be safe with motorcycles. They are correct. However, maturity and respect have NOTHING to do with riding a motorcycle (that is where s
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/26/2007 1:57:59 AM
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Lookin4abike
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I started with a 600rr two months ago and would deffinately recommend not doing it. You can learn on one of these bikes (granted you are responsible) but like they said, the learning curve is slower. Swallow your pride and get a simpler bike.
This is the truth. I bought one as an investment because it needed a lot of work.siince finishing it and putting a few miles on it to test everything and all that crap, id have to say, somebody who isnt experienced should NOT have one of these. You want one because your buddy has one, and you pick one of the baddest bikes out there to jump on? Now you are going to go riding with him, get a little pumped up while watching him do something, get in way over your head, and now you have a wrecked 600rr, and that guy who just rode by on his new ninja 250 was laughing so hard he almost wrecked.
not because he go tone..because I have wanted one for a while...never had money until about 2 years ago...and I was too into my car and blew all my cash on that. he wont do anything dumb because its his first bike too! Im not one to follow..I usually watch.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/26/2007 2:41:06 AM
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not because he go tone..because I have wanted one for a while...never had money until about 2 years ago...and I was too into my car and blew all my cash on that. he wont do anything dumb because its his first bike too! Im not one to follow..I usually watch.
It's not only being at risk of doing something "dumb," it's about learning the basics of motorcycling before you get on a machine meant for advanced riding skills. I write this all the time, but buying one of the most advanced sport bikes won't automatically buy you advanced riding skills, but it could buy you a world of hurt!
You'll more than likely develop a bunch of bad habits because you'll be learning on a machine out of your league and will be relying on reactions based on fear and primal reflexes (Keith Code calls these Survival Reactions)...these elements can get you into a lot of trouble in a panic situation and can cause negative things to occur in the bike due to the wrong inputs you'll be constantly giving it.
Best thing you can do is educate yourself, because it's obvious you're set on getting one, so start with the MSF course, read all the books you can (Twist of the Wrist, Sport Bike Riding Techniques, Total Control)...eventually take it a step further and get to a track school and do track days...knowledge is your best friend!
**talking like Forest Gump** and that's all I got to say about that...
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/26/2007 4:14:38 AM
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get a busa, you'll be the envy all your friends
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/26/2007 4:32:12 AM
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"Lookin4abike"...........I would recommend listening to the advice given on this site, it's extremely helpful.
The current models of 600cc sport bikes we have today are just as fast and powerful as older model GP race bikes. They are NOT beginner bikes in any sense. These bikes are not like your Acura Integra Type-R's..........the "R" designation on modern 600cc sport bikes actually mean something.........they're damn quick........and meant to perform above anything else.
Is a 600cc sport bike "do-able" as a first bike, sure. Not the best choice, but it's do-able. It all depends on the head between the shoulders of the rider. If the rider is stubborn and unwilling to humble themselves to take some friendly advice from more experienced riders, then no. Ego's and sport bikes don't mix well.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/26/2007 9:07:11 AM
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I really wish there were more beginner bike options out there... Honda Canada has brought in the 125 which I personally think would be a hoot, isn't really what I meant by a beginner bike. A 250 or even a 400 Euro spec sportbike would be ideal... the problem is that the general population is ignorant about motorcycles. What they might know was from ridding their friends ancient aircooled 750, probably piss drunk, in the 70s. Then they go around spewing misinformation about 600cc's being a girls bike, and anything less than 600cc's is a scooter and you wouldn't want it.
The truth is that the 250 ninja, the 500 ninja, the GS 500 are fantastic bikes, cheap to own, cheap to insure, easy on gas, and to top it off some of the best beginner bikes available. They aren't slow, they won't be run over on the highway. Most likely will STILL be the fastest ride you've ever owned.
Save a whole bunch of cash, buy a cheap first bike, spend money on gear, and in a few years decide what you want. Until then, most new riders don't know a thing about riding, why they ride, or what makes a bike good... they're relying on a few idiots on the internet who suggest litre bikes (you'll get bored on the 600cc???) or magazines hawking the latest race replica that has even better acceleration and will (in the right hands) be faster than the previous generation, to know what's best for them with ZERO miles of experience.
I forgot to turn rant mode on! Damn.
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