RE: Lookin at the RR for my first
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/28/2007 3:44:52 PM
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osin41
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whatever no big deal good luck choosen a bike rubber side down
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/28/2007 6:17:54 PM
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Blue Fox
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throttle control is not learned throttle control is being smart you wanna roll on the throttle you do it if not you don't its that simple
I'm trying to think of a nice, clever way to portray how ignorant this post is, but I can't seem think of anything that wouldn't get me kicked off this forum.
I took a Superbike class a few years ago, and I'm taking another one in November. Throttle control is the main concept they teach. Without it, you have nothing.
< Message edited by Blue Fox -- 4/28/2007 6:18:28 PM >
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/29/2007 3:56:26 PM
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cstratton04
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yea a noob to the site
Also a noob to english? You would be more effective at portraying your "experience" if you could form a coherent sentence.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/29/2007 4:25:57 PM
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riderx420
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I was really considering getting the RR for my first bike....but after reading all of this im having strong second opinions about it. For once I think im going to actually take the advice that most people seem to be giving. I think I would be much better off starting on something a little smaller and much more inexpensive. I would not mind spending around $4k. But what would be a good bike to start on. I do have lots of experience with 4-wheelers and dirt bikes......and I would not want something that is a complete POS...and dog a$s slow. I was considering maybe a '95 suzuki rf600r.....someone has one for sale locally w/ 1.5k miles on it and he is asking $3k.....but what are some other good options that I should consider......and NO im not getting a 250.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/29/2007 5:58:10 PM
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pell
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I took the MSF class about 5 years ago..... Right after, I bought a 87 Ninja 600... It was fast as hell (or so I thought at the time)... It taught me so much though... I learned to control my bike, and all aspects of it: throttle, handling, etc.... After about 6 months or so of owning it, I started modding it... It was like a new bike again, and I learned all over again... Slow and steady I started reaching the max capabilities of the bike.
Got rid of that bike, and picked up a '04f4i... Immediately I had to relearn everything. I was a rookie again... But, I took the time and learned my bike. A year later, I started modding that... Now, I have a modded f4i that I know how to handle, and I have fun on it whenever I go out, without having to worry about losing control of it. Also, even with my "old" f4i that doesnt compare to any of the 07 600s, I still can go plenty fast, and I will probably NEVER hit the limits of the bike...
Seriously, if you want to ride a sport bike, go buy some old ass late 80 or early 90s sport bike and learn on that... those bikes are quite forgiving, and wont be as fast to set you up with a meeting with the asphalt. Ride for a year, and then THINK about picking up a newer bike.... It took me a few years before I felt like I was ready, but that time I spent on something that wasnt aesthetically pleasing has kept my skin in a form that is somewhat decent (Im hella ugly, but nothing can change that!).
Also, another thing to think about is what riding is about... The best thing I can tell you is that speed means nothing. Any asshole can hop on a bike and go 150... Riding is a romantic dance... Its all about grace. The feeling of taking twisties and knowing you took the perfect line, at the perfect speed is a feeling second to none. Eventually, the speed just comes naturally.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/29/2007 9:03:29 PM
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riderx420
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Thanks for the advice.......what your saying is what I have finally come to realization about...I was sooooo close to dropping about $7k on wednesday....and now I must have had a bad dream or something but ive decided to take it slow...ill have plenty of time and $ next year to get something nice (starting a new job next month) so id like to take the time this year to get some good exp. under my belt.
Back to my last thread....what are some good options for starter bikes around or under $4k?
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/29/2007 10:13:19 PM
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pell
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Thanks for the advice.......what your saying is what I have finally come to realization about...I was sooooo close to dropping about $7k on wednesday....and now I must have had a bad dream or something but ive decided to take it slow...ill have plenty of time and $ next year to get something nice (starting a new job next month) so id like to take the time this year to get some good exp. under my belt.
Back to my last thread....what are some good options for starter bikes around or under $4k?
look for anything from the late 80s early 90s.... 600cc.... CBR, Ninja, FZR, etc... Also, it'll probably only cost ya a couple grand.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/29/2007 10:55:54 PM
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abadfish
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Thanks for the advice.......what your saying is what I have finally come to realization about...I was sooooo close to dropping about $7k on wednesday....and now I must have had a bad dream or something but ive decided to take it slow...ill have plenty of time and $ next year to get something nice (starting a new job next month) so id like to take the time this year to get some good exp. under my belt.
Back to my last thread....what are some good options for starter bikes around or under $4k?
look for anything from the late 80s early 90s.... 600cc.... CBR, Ninja, FZR, etc... Also, it'll probably only cost ya a couple grand.
Back in the late 80's, a Hurricane was not considered a beginner's bike. Back in the early 90's, an F2 was not considered a beginner's bike, etc, etc, etc..... What makes those bikes any more of a beginner bike now????
A 600 sportbike is not a beginner bike. Those bikes are still just as unforgiving now as they were back when they were new.
here are my suggestions for a first bike (in no particular order):
- Ninja 250
- Ninja 500
- CBR 400 (if you can find one)
- FZR 400 (if you can find one)
- Suzuki GS400 or 500
- Yamaha SecaII
there's also no reason that your first bike can't be a standard or other non-sportbike. Keep in mind that this is your first bike, not your last bike. A first bike should be something that is forgiving, will teach you the basics of riding, and something that can be dropped (without worry).
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/30/2007 4:16:16 AM
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raptor
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i agree with abadfish any of those bike would make great learner i also own an fzr400 they are a great handling bike and lots of fun
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/30/2007 11:56:31 AM
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00TRANSAMNH
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Ok, first off please dont lable me as a stupid noob because i want a 600. Ive read the entire thread and can understand completely where you guys are comming from. But how about this for a suggestion/question... does anyone make a governor for a cbr
That would certainly take care of the "accidentally ripping on the throttle" theory and it would prevent people from having to get a 250 that they dont want in the first place because they are going to have to sell it later on and buy what they wanted to begin with. Yet they could govern it down to the power of a 250.
Stupid idea still?
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/30/2007 12:30:03 PM
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knightslugger
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Ok, first off please dont lable me as a stupid noob because i want a 600. Ive read the entire thread and can understand completely where you guys are comming from. But how about this for a suggestion/question... does anyone make a governor for a cbr
That would certainly take care of the "accidentally ripping on the throttle" theory and it would prevent people from having to get a 250 that they dont want in the first place because they are going to have to sell it later on and buy what they wanted to begin with. Yet they could govern it down to the power of a 250.
Stupid idea still?
It's not JUST about the power... never has been. the bike on the whole is not designed for the new rider, not even in the slightest.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/30/2007 12:46:16 PM
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00TRANSAMNH
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Ok, first off please dont lable me as a stupid noob because i want a 600. Ive read the entire thread and can understand completely where you guys are comming from. But how about this for a suggestion/question... does anyone make a governor for a cbr
That would certainly take care of the "accidentally ripping on the throttle" theory and it would prevent people from having to get a 250 that they dont want in the first place because they are going to have to sell it later on and buy what they wanted to begin with. Yet they could govern it down to the power of a 250.
Stupid idea still?
It's not JUST about the power... never has been. the bike on the whole is not designed for the new rider, not even in the slightest.
could you explain why? What are the differences that make it not suitable for a new rider?
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/30/2007 1:25:05 PM
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holycrapitshassell
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ORIGINAL: 00TRANSAMNH
Ok, first off please dont lable me as a stupid noob because i want a 600. Ive read the entire thread and can understand completely where you guys are comming from. But how about this for a suggestion/question... does anyone make a governor for a cbr
That would certainly take care of the "accidentally ripping on the throttle" theory and it would prevent people from having to get a 250 that they dont want in the first place because they are going to have to sell it later on and buy what they wanted to begin with. Yet they could govern it down to the power of a 250.
Stupid idea still?
It's not JUST about the power... never has been. the bike on the whole is not designed for the new rider, not even in the slightest.
could you explain why? What are the differences that make it not suitable for a new rider?
the brakes are insanely powerful, the most powerful component on the motorcycle, they can slow you down faster than the rocket can accelerate. a quick jab of the brake as in a panic situation (it happens) could EASILY snap the tire loose and scare the shit out of you (at best) or you could lose traction alltogether causing a lowside (hopefully a lowside) or a highside crash (yuck yuck ouch ouch $$$$$)
like my dad has told me, "the throttle will put you in jail, the brakes will put you in the hospital" which is of course not always the case, but you get what he was saying.
the ergonomics are in all honesty very uncomfortable, and unsuitable for day to day driving. it makes learning the basics feel like a chore, and more difficult as it relies on stomach and leg muscles (rather than eased seating position) to put you in position to controll the bike.
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RE: Lookin at the RR for my first - 4/30/2007 3:01:00 PM
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knightslugger
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ORIGINAL: 00TRANSAMNH
Ok, first off please dont lable me as a stupid noob because i want a 600. Ive read the entire thread and can understand completely where you guys are comming from. But how about this for a suggestion/question... does anyone make a governor for a cbr
That would certainly take care of the "accidentally ripping on the throttle" theory and it would prevent people from having to get a 250 that they dont want in the first place because they are going to have to sell it later on and buy what they wanted to begin with. Yet they could govern it down to the power of a 250.
Stupid idea still?
It's not JUST about the power... never has been. the bike on the whole is not designed for the new rider, not even in the slightest.
could you explain why? What are the differences that make it not suitable for a new rider?
steering is very sensative, engine responsiveness is ultra quick, Brakes are insanely powerful, geometry is too agressive for a novice rider (makes untrained adjustments difficult to accomplish)... there are LOTS of reasons this bike doesn't make a good beginer motorcycle.
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