RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr
Login  | |
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/12/2007 6:38:07 PM
|
|
|
Balamien
Posts: 54
Joined: 4/7/2007
Status: offline
|
Yeah, unfortunately there isn't just "one" accident here, there are several. If I understand the accident correctly:
Accident #1- Lead Guy hits the Car. (Car at Fault)-Illegal U-Turn
Accident #2-2nd Position hits Position #1 (#2 at Fault)-Assured Clear Distance
Accident #3-4th Position Hits Position #2 (#3 at Fault)-Assured Clear Distance
While it sucks that all this happened because some dumb women did an illegal U-turn, as we know....S**% rolls down hill. I am glad to see that neither #2 rider and yourself didn't get a ticket for anything.
_____________________________
2004 CBR600RR Black/Silver-Retired
2007 CBR1000RR Black/Gray
~Drive Fast, Take Chances~
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/12/2007 7:40:24 PM
|
|
|
dwhite645
Posts: 1989
Joined: 1/21/2006
From: OldFatGuy's garage - stealing parts
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: alekinci
quote:
ORIGINAL: dwhite645
Your insurance shouldn't have to cover your buddies R1 since she was the cause of the whole incident...regardless of how close you were following.
why do you think it is so? if the insurance company does not pay for his buddy's damamge then he should pay for the damage to the R1 out of pocket. the story states that the R! avoided the reck but this guy rammed into R!. hence, the R1 is not at fault and it should be repaired by the this guys insurance.
Because none of the riders caused the initial accident. It's all on the lady who stopped to make an illegal U-turn. Just like a car pile up on the highway. Who ever causes the initial problem is at fault for all damages - even the very last car involved who didn't even touch the car that started the whole thing.
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/12/2007 7:59:06 PM
|
|
|
krash
Posts: 1259
Joined: 5/9/2006
Status: offline
|
FWIW, I was in a 6 car pile up on the interstate in my accord. I was dead smack in the middle, a semi ran up on stopped traffic too quick and just plowed everbody forward. totaled several of the cars, inlcuding my brand new accord with like 20k miles. Only person at fault was the semi driver. didnt cost me or anyone else a dime. Although, I am sure the trucking company paid out the nose since they were considered at fault.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/12/2007 8:32:13 PM
|
|
|
pell
Posts: 112
Joined: 3/9/2007
Status: offline
|
The illegal Uturn didnt cause the wreck. The person in the car stopped (the intention of the stop is irrelevant), and then the bikes collided (with the car and each other). You can get a lawyer, but the bottom line is that you are at fault, and liability will cover everyone else's stuff except for yours. The lawyer will just cost you more money in the end, with no reward. Suck it up, and take it as a learning experience, and go get another bike.
And krash... You got lucky, if that was a normal car that started the reaction and not a semi, everyone would have some level of fault except for the car in front.
(At least thats how it would go in california)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/12/2007 9:17:50 PM
|
|
|
krash
Posts: 1259
Joined: 5/9/2006
Status: offline
|
pell, do you have any professional background in accident citation? Not being a smart ass, just curious if thats your opinion, or if you have real data. that incident is about the only experience I have, but I dont see how if we were all stopped, not moving, with distance between us, that everyone could have been at fault. I mean, we were not even in motion, how can there be any fault if your pushed into the car infront of you in a chain reaction?
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/12/2007 11:46:46 PM
|
|
|
Balamien
Posts: 54
Joined: 4/7/2007
Status: offline
|
This isn't ment to be an attack of any sort. I just want to straighten out the facts as I have understood them from the posts. Krash, your accident and the accident that the thread was started under and two differant types.
#1(Dznutt5)-Vehicles in motion hitting other vehicles/bikes while in motion.
#2(Yours)-Stopped Vehicles being struck/pushed by another from behind causing a chain crash.
In my previous post, 3 people could have recieved a citiation. To which only 1 did, (The car) due to officer discretion and chosing not to ding everyone(probably because he felt sorry for the bikes). In your accident, you were merely caught up in it by force due to something out of your control.
_____________________________
2004 CBR600RR Black/Silver-Retired
2007 CBR1000RR Black/Gray
~Drive Fast, Take Chances~
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/12/2007 11:55:50 PM
|
|
|
krash
Posts: 1259
Joined: 5/9/2006
Status: offline
|
agreed.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/13/2007 2:44:48 AM
|
|
|
pell
Posts: 112
Joined: 3/9/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: krash
pell, do you have any professional background in accident citation? Not being a smart ass, just curious if thats your opinion, or if you have real data. that incident is about the only experience I have, but I dont see how if we were all stopped, not moving, with distance between us, that everyone could have been at fault. I mean, we were not even in motion, how can there be any fault if your pushed into the car infront of you in a chain reaction?
First hand professional experience? no...
But, I am friends with several CHP officers. The reasoning is that if you get rear ended and hit another car, then there was not enough distance between you and the other vehicle. Also, I have been involved (as a passenger) in this situation, and that is exactly what happened. Cops said that everyone was too close to each other, which caused the chain reaction. Now, with what I said earlier, I would ASSUME that it would be different, due to the difference in momentum between a semi and a passenger vehicle (an extraordinary situation). I have also spoke to these CHP officers in a bunch of "what if" situations, and I am basically repeating what answers they gave me. Also, it could very well vary state to state. What I said only applies to california.
As for the original issue, Ive been in that exact same situation (first hand). I was found at fault due to my following distance, regardless of the reason the person in front of me stopped....
Hell, another time, someone made a right turn on a red right in front of me (I was going straight through a green) and ended up rear ending him. There wasnt any real visible damage, just minor scratches, but I was still found at fault... Because I was not driving defense enough, and did not allow myself an exit to the situation.
This is also the reason I could never be a cop. I dont agree with any of this shit.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/13/2007 8:01:54 AM
|
|
|
krash
Posts: 1259
Joined: 5/9/2006
Status: offline
|
Im pretty sure that other than the weather and the geography, California sucks.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/13/2007 10:09:43 AM
|
|
|
pell
Posts: 112
Joined: 3/9/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: krash
Im pretty sure that other than the weather and the geography, California sucks.
Pretty much. Its expensive as hell to live here, and most of the people are dicks. I really dont have much positive stuff to say about it, although it is nice to live a hour from the mountains, and a hour from the beach.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/13/2007 11:03:47 AM
|
|
|
alekinci
Posts: 1317
Joined: 4/20/2006
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: krash
FWIW, I was in a 6 car pile up on the interstate in my accord. I was dead smack in the middle, a semi ran up on stopped traffic too quick and just plowed everbody forward. totaled several of the cars, inlcuding my brand new accord with like 20k miles. Only person at fault was the semi driver. didnt cost me or anyone else a dime. Although, I am sure the trucking company paid out the nose since they were considered at fault.
the way I understand your incident is that, you and other cars were braking/non-moving position and then were plowed by a semi from the rear. is that what happened?
< Message edited by alekinci -- 5/13/2007 12:19:47 PM >
_____________________________
ethonal is for the mind and sugar is for the soul... thank god for Cognac........
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Wrecked my 07 600rr - 5/13/2007 11:14:35 AM
|
|
|
krash
Posts: 1259
Joined: 5/9/2006
Status: offline
|
yeah, thats what happened. I was actually stopped on the interstate at a heavily congested junction and just happened to be looking up in my rear view as I heard the unmistakeable sound of crunching cars, then all hell broke loose. like someone else said, really a completely different scenario than the topic of this post.
|
|
|
|
|
Printable Version
