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chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 4:45:25 AM

kroymander

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ok so i just bought a 96 F3 that's in desperate need of a new chain. so i ordered the chain and sprockets (one down and one up) but i can't find ANYTHING in the manual about changing the sprockets. i'm pretty mechanically inclined, so i'm sure i can figure it out, but i just wondered if any of you guys had any helpful advice as to what's involved. so far i'm familiar with taking the rear wheel and fairings off with no problem... where do i go from there?

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 7:20:40 AM

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You'd need a shop manual for all the details such as torque for the rear sprocket nuts and the counter sprocket bolt. It's pretty much straight forward -- take off the front sprocket bolt first. That way you can use the rear brake to hold it still while you loosen the bolt. Then loosen the chain slack adjusters and remove the axle.

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 7:27:58 AM

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bla who uses a shop manual i mean really....... personally i didn't use a shop manual i just made sure i got them nice and tight and then i rode it about 2 hours and checked them again and then again after about a week but that's just me... as for everything else i think it was just said my chainstretcher......

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 11:28:23 AM

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Here is a link to download the shop manual.

Removing the sprocket is in section 13-3.

Good luck!

http://www.cbrforum.com/m_4685/tm.htm

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 12:21:02 PM

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bla who uses a shop manual i mean really....... personally i didn't use a shop manual

IMHO, this is really BAD advice. Torque values are assigned for a reason. Too tight can be just as bad as not tight enough. If you want to take your own life in your own hands, that's your perogative....but you shouldn't be encouraging others to do such.

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 12:52:19 PM

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quote:

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bla who uses a shop manual i mean really....... personally i didn't use a shop manual i just made sure i got them nice and tight and then i rode it about 2 hours and checked them again and then again after about a week but that's just me... as for everything else i think it was just said my chainstretcher......

Don't wanna start a witch hunt, but kinda have to agree with Abadfish. I mean all of us DIYYers have done trial and error on more than one occasion, but using that as a common practice is just not smart. What would have happened if after 1 hour and 35 minutes the friggin wheel decided to fall off while doing 135mph?!?! IMHO when it comes to riding a machine that has an engine the is revving at 10,000+RPM going a bamillion MPH, it is not a bad idea to follow the shop manual.

Please try not to trip over my soap box on the way out...

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 5:00:31 PM

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I'm too egotistical to lose my life over something stoopid -- I use the torque values assigned by Honda.

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 7:23:40 PM

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Torque??? I GOOD mechanic can look at the bolt size, the thread size, the material and know how much torque it can take. Maybe for a head you should torque it but sprocket bolts... come on. If you take it to a shop they will not torque them. But if it makes you sleep better at night go for it. If you are in question just torque them to spec or a little more. Torque wrenches can be off by more than 10%. Threads and bolts can take alot more than what the spec is. When I build an engine I only torque the head and crank. Everything else is feel.

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/19/2005 11:21:23 PM

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If you take it to a shop they will not torque them.

You need to find a better shop then.

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/20/2005 4:18:19 AM

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alright well thanks for the advice guys. of course i'm gonna use the torque values i'm not that dumb. and i've got the manual it just doesn't really give much information, just wasn't sure if there were any special tools involved and whatnot. i have a cutoff wheel to cut the chain off, and i'm assuming that will be adequate and i won't need a chain breaker.

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/20/2005 7:15:13 AM

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You'll need a chain press tool and a chain riveting tool.

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/20/2005 8:27:13 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: transamlt1man

Torque??? I GOOD mechanic can look at the bolt size, the thread size, the material and know how much torque it can take. Maybe for a head you should torque it but sprocket bolts... come on. If you take it to a shop they will not torque them. But if it makes you sleep better at night go for it. If you are in question just torque them to spec or a little more. Torque wrenches can be off by more than 10%. Threads and bolts can take alot more than what the spec is. When I build an engine I only torque the head and crank. Everything else is feel.

i am the same way... but like i said this is what i did on my bike, now if it was someone elses i might do things alittle different, as for the 135mph comment i mean really who goes 135 you talk like we have sportbikes or something..... and if the wheel did come off thats why i wear gear..... and pray alot

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/20/2005 5:10:12 PM

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The quality of motorcycles is so much greater now because of standardized processes -- one of which is torque control. Ever wonder why old Hardlys shook parts off -- well they do vibrate a lot -- but there was also the mentality that you can just slap stuff on and tighten it up and it'll work. I've been a motorhead since I was 12 and still am amazed at how far off I am when I torque something by hand and then check it with the wrench. It's always amusing to me when peeps strip out the oil pan or spark plug cause they were too lazy to walk to the tool box and grab a torque wrench.

Allright -- I'm off the soapbox on this subject. Your thread has been pirated but I return it back to you now. If you need any more info on the job let us know

This is a thread I posted on doing a chain conversion but it may be helpful to you CHAIN

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/21/2005 5:33:18 AM

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well i went ahead and dove into it this afternoon, went pretty well, only took me a few hours, even after a few stupid little mistakes. bike feels great, it's like a whole new bike.. i'll have to post some pictures soon, as i'm a new member and all..

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RE: chain and sprockets? - 10/21/2005 7:52:03 AM

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be sure you check them and make sure they don't come loose after a few day of riding or a few hours if you ride alot

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