Soon to be New Rider with questions
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Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/20/2005 6:20:20 PM
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kausi
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Hello i'm new to these forums, and i'm thinking of purchasing a CBR 600. I was hoping you could answer some questions for me before I decide to buy. My first question is I guess the bigest question on my mind, is the honda cbr 600 to much bike for someone who has never rode. I do plan to take the motorcycle training course before I ever attempt to jsut get on one, but i'm worried that even after I take this course will this bike be to much for me. Also my other question is I have never had the option of seeing a honda cbr up close or getting to set on one, so with me being 5'9 140 would I have any problem holding this bike up. Well i'm sure you guys can help and any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time 
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/20/2005 6:40:03 PM
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chillin
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your height/weight should be perfect fit on a 600rr. and you shouldnt have a problem with holding it up. im 5'8 130-135 and i was more than able enough to pick up my bike when i droped it at a stop sign, lol, and im by no means "big", have kinda a runners build, so i dont think you would have a problem. newer bikes are pretty light, the older you go the heavier they get. good call on the msf course. i started on a 600 for my first streetbike, dirtbike expierence though. keep in mind that they only go as fast as you make them. good luck
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/20/2005 10:33:43 PM
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abadfish
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IMHO, a 600 cc sportbike (regardless of year) is NOT a beginner's bike. They are not forgiving to the new rider and its very easy for the ner rider to get caught up in the speed and not pay attention to the mechanics of proper riding. My suggestion is to get something smaller (e.g. Ninja 250/500, CBR 400, etc), learn to ride it and learn what riding is all about (maybe even take it to the track and really learn how to carry corner speed), then get a bigger bike.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 1:17:45 AM
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TeeDub
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Second that. A sub-400lb 120hp motorcycle is not a beginner's bike. Buy something smaller, or a Suzuki SV650 is a great starter bike that your abilities can grow into.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 7:49:37 AM
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IMHO, a 600 cc sportbike (regardless of year) is NOT a beginner's bike. They are not forgiving to the new rider and its very easy for the ner rider to get caught up in the speed and not pay attention to the mechanics of proper riding. My suggestion is to get something smaller (e.g. Ninja 250/500, CBR 400, etc), learn to ride it and learn what riding is all about (maybe even take it to the track and really learn how to carry corner speed), then get a bigger bike.
your right there but hey if he wants a 600 let him have at it.... i would much rather see a beginner on a 600 than a busa but thats just me, i don' think anyone would have problems as long as you don't overstep your limit to what you can do.... just keep in mind that your new and you don't need to be tryin to bring it up on 1 or bust off 180 down the highway...
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 10:05:39 AM
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MapJr
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Anything smaller than a 600 would be great to learn on. The Honda 600 RR is not a toy. It has much power. Take this...an idiot can get on a 600 for the first time and kill himself doing something stupid like trying to keep up with his friends or impress someone. A wise person can get on a Hayabusa (1300) and stay within his limits and be just fine. First things first, make sure you've taken a good safety course...not just getting your license from your local dmv...I mean taking an approved motorcycle safety course, preferrably MSF.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 11:04:17 AM
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kausi
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Thanks guys for all the great opinions. I think I will look into the sv 650 instead of going with a cbr 600. Glad I came here because I was leaving today to purchase a new one, and that would of prolly been the biggest mistake of my life. Also I have heard that buying a ninja 250 is worthless because new rider out grows this bike within months, and they are actually hard to find because people want alot of money for them, is this true? On another note before I decide do you guys all think the sv 650 is the way to go? I would like to hear from more then one person on this because I almost made my sole decision on #2 comment.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 11:43:56 AM
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chillin
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glad i had so much influence. in my opinion, your no better off on the sv then with a cbr. sv's arnt exactly "weak" bikes power wise and they wiegh a lot more. if you were worried about keeping up a cbr than why get a bigger heavier bike. and while i do agree with evryone else that a 600 can be alot of bike, how many of us started on one, or something bigger?? and are just fine? in reality there is nothing that will happen to you going 75 mph on the freeway on a 600, that wont happen to you on a zx250. there not safer there just slower. if you have the constraint to ride with half a brain, then you wont have a problem with a 600. and just my thought, if you think a cbr 600 is too much for now (which theres nothing wrong with) get a gs 500 or something smaller, dont get a bigger bike, that just doesnt make sense. and yes...a sv650 is a bigger bike.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 12:00:50 PM
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kausi
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So if the sv 650 is a bigger bike then why would it be better for beginners? Sorry for all these questions. I wnt to start riding, but I don't want to regret it wants I get a bike.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 12:16:41 PM
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TeeDub
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The sv is not a bigger bike, it may be marginally heavier, but only by a hair. A v-twin power plant is much more predictable and more user friendly for beginners. They make more torque and the power band is down lower where it is more usable on the street. They are light and easy to flick around and also make an excellent track bike. Check on a few different forums, I think you'll find a number of experienced riders recommend the SV for beginners.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 12:17:56 PM
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TeeDub
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Oh, and while the sv650's have more torque, they don't have the horsepower nor the high rpm hit that supersport 600's have.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 1:24:09 PM
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slowpoke
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A v-twin power plant is much more predictable and more user friendly for beginners. They make more torque and the power band is down lower where it is more usable on the street.
That's right. Even the Honda Super Hawk, a 1000cc V-Twin, is more "friendly" on the street than a CBR. Look at the powerband of the bike, not the cubic centimeters.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 1:31:10 PM
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chillin
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this will be my last comment on this thread before i make to much of a fuss. To Kausi, get the bike you want. if you want the cbr, then get it and be responsible, dont get the sv because you want something with some balls and people are telling you that its a better beginer bike. if you want a truley beginner learn how to ride a bike then get something smaller like a 500 or even smaller like a 250. you will grow out of it in a short time and they dont look as good but they are built and designed for bieginners, thats there purpose. another idea is to get a 600 that s a few years older.a late f3 or early f4 has about the same power as a new sv and there probably lighter. learn on the older bike and then move up. dont get a bike because other people say you should, get something that you want, otherwise you wont be happy with your choice and if your not happy with your bike then what fun is riding?? get what you want be smart and responsible and you will be fine.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/21/2005 6:10:04 PM
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TeeDub
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"chillin" is right, buy what ever you want. However, the fact that you are trolling for info here tells me you are at least responsible enough to consult with people that have more experience than you. I only suggest the sv because it is an excellent bike. They aren't too under powered but they wont suprise you as quickly as a 600rr.
I'm not sure why "chillin" thinks the SV is so heavy. According to Motorcyclist magazines "Hard Numbers" the 2004 Suzuki SV650 weighs 429lbs and that is wet. The 2003 cbr600rr according to them, weighs 445lbs. The difference is how they make power, the SV makes 73.5hp at 8750rpm and 47.1 ft/lbs torque at 7250. The 600rr makes 105.4hp @ 13,500rpm and only 42.6 ft/lbs of torque way up at 11,250 rpm. The SV has a much better mid-range and will be easier to manage, plus a much better bike in town because the power is centered more in the middle and not on top. Plus the "bigger" SV weighs 16 lbs less than the Honda cbr600rr.
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RE: Soon to be New Rider with questions - 10/22/2005 12:03:04 AM
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abadfish
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I'm going to offer a perspective that is probably not popular here with the general consensus. I'm not saying its right or better but just something for you to think about and consider.
First, lets starts with some assumptions/facts:
1. you are a new rider with little to no experience.
2. your desire is to ride a sportbike which implies that you [eventually] want to ride it aggressively.
Now on to my soapbox...
Several here have said that you should get what you want or you'd otherwise be unhappy. I disagree with that. Keep in mind that this is your first bike. If you truly end up loving sportbike riding, then it won't be your last bike. No matter what you get, there will always be something newer and better out there. So there will always be some degree of dissatisfaction.
People have often said that you can start on a 600 as long as you ride responsibly and keep your head. I think that's true 99% of the time. Its that 1% that can kill you. 600s are so smooth (yes, even the older ones) that many are riding high speed without even realizing it. I'm sure we've all experienced looking down at our speedos and saying, "Oh SH!T! I'm doing 90mph". Now put a new rider in the twisties, cruising along being as responsible as can be and then......BOOM....you in a corner too hot. What do you do???? (there is no right or wrong answer here as there are likely several options) This is where the 600 can be outright deadly and people learn that a 600 isn't as forgiving as once thought.
In these situations, the higher horsepowered bikes would prefer to throw you off and continue on their merry way. But its these situations that you need to learn to suvive on the streets. Things like panic breaking, mid-turn steering adjustments, when and when not to apply the throttle are not easily learned on a 600 (though not impossible). In these situations, the smaller, lighter, less powerfull and more forgiving bike is what will teach you what to do and not do in a safer (and hopefully, less painful) manner. And isn't that the point of your first bike (which brings me to the first assumption/fact)???
Some have said that if you get a small bike as your first bike that you'll be wanting something with more power in a short time. Though I have no evidence or hard data to support this, IMHO, I believe the people who say this are the ones who are only concerned with going fast in a straight line and don't carry the corner speed. A small bike will force you to use all available horsepower and carry the corner speed (which brings me to the second assumption/fact). You'll learn much faster how to ride aggressively and ride a sportbike the way it was designed to. Take it to the track and you'll learn [quite quickly] the advantages to starting on a small bike.
Anyway, this is just a perspective from an avid track rider who pushes his bike more than the average street rider. Ultimately, the choice is yours. Just realize that your choices can have serious consequences. I believe a smaller bike will better prepare you for all the crap that the street will throw at you.
Good luck!!
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