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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/14/2007 11:34:17 PM

95camaro01f4i

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ORIGINAL: HAVOC

Children Learn What They Live

-if a child lives with Criticism , he learns to Condemn
-if a child lives with Hostility, he learns to Fight
-if a child lives with Ridicule, he learns to be Shy
-if a child lives with Shame, he learns to feel Guilty
-if a child lives with Tolerance, he lerns to be Patient
-if a child lives with Encouragement, he learns to be Confident
-if a child lives with Praise, he learns to Appreciate
-if a child lives with Fairness, he learns Justice
-if a child lives with Security, he learns Faith
-if a child lives with Approval, he learns to like Himself
-if a child lives with Acceptance and Friendship, he learns to find Love in the world.

so what are you teaching him by telling him to go behind his parents back?

- that he doesnt have to follow the rules.
- that he doesnt have to respect peoples wishes and that he can do as he pleases
- its all right to be sneeky

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 12:25:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: compulady5

buy it and keep that and all your gear in a storage unit.

That is some seriously stupid advice.

Well, you know what they say, ask a stupid question.....................

Obviously TheX, you don't know me very well or you wouldn't say that.

Oh and for the record, the kid is over 18.

< Message edited by compulady5 -- 6/15/2007 12:27:28 AM >

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 12:26:25 AM

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who said go behind his back .. dont lie about it, tell the dad he is getting a bike . you keep assuming im encouraging him to lie and be sneeky which im not. and about him respecting other peopels wishes what about what he wants ? what makes his dad so right about him not getting a bike and please someone come up with somethng more original then "his house, his rules.. if he doesnt like it then get out"

and lets look at this the OP said he has been riding quads and dirtbikes for a while (even though not on the street) and the dad said not untill he is 21.. so what changes between it being a street bike and 2 years ? if he will be ok in 2 years why isnt it ok now. if he is still living @ hoem when he is 21 it will be A-ok with pops , so obviously dad isnt totally opposed to the idea.

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 6:55:47 AM

95camaro01f4i

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when i first posted this it was to the people telling him to undermind his parents not you specificly there other people posting in this thread you know

. you came back at me about it so......

again like i said maybe his dad knows more about him then you do? maybe he is a spaz, maybe he has no balance, maybe he is prone to making rash descisions , maybe he is irresponisible ect. and based on this his dad doesnt want him to have a bike

by the way buying a helmet and "gear" taking a motorcycle safty course doesnt tell me someone is resposible it just says someone took the motorcycle safty course and bought a helmet.

i rode dirt bikes and quades for years before i bought the f4i. quad and motorcycles are same. dirt bikes and motorcycles may seem the same and but its not the same at least to me it wasn't. what diffrent about riding a motorcycle then a diffrent the fact that there are cars on the road and every rider knows that cars are probly one of the most dangerus things to us.

i dont knot the kid or the father so i dont know what the father thinks will change in two years. but i do know this his parents know him better then us. and some times there more to a storie then people tell us. maybe a family memeber had a bad motorcycle accident maybe a family member died in one maybe 1000 reasons that he doesnt want HIS son to have this bike the fact that its his son though gives him the ablitity two say no. but who knows maybe his dad is just hoping hill grow out of it some things are just stadges in peoples lifes.

all you keep saying is that how do i know his father isnt wrong? and all im saying is dont tell him to undermind his parent or go behind there back. besides when im answering a question you ask me. i never said the kid shouldnt try and work it out with his old man to try and get a bike.

oh by the way i like how you completly ignored my question to you and changed the subject

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 8:04:15 AM

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Sorry, but had to post again on this.

I looked at his signature and he lives just southwest of me actually. The area where he lives is growing FAST and there are a lot of cars on the road at times there. I also don't know what college is in Medina, so he's probably driving a bit to get to class either in Akron, or in Cleveland and in rush hour traffic at that.

He's only got $5k to spend and he wants an RR or another CBR that is affordable to a college student. He still hasn't said who is paying for his car, insurance, classes, etc. If his parents are paying for all that why should anyone expect them to also say it's OK for him to buy a bike. If he isn't already working and paying for your stuff, what makes him think he could actually afford a bike? And him being 18 doesn't mean a thing. Most of us were all stupid at 18 and our parents really did know better. If he wants the bike, he can find his own place or maybe go in with some freinds and rent an apartment. I wonder if him being 21 means he'll be out of college and out of the house? As a parent I only know that I wouldn't not want to worry about my kid never coming back home because of some mishap that I could have helped avoid. If he is out of the house, at least you know that you've raised your son and he's made his way out into the world.

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 9:10:44 AM

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Oh and for the record, the kid is over 18.

So, if the "kid" is over 18 this means he is an "adult". And why does an adult go onto the internet to ask how to deal with daddy? Are we all licensed therapists now?

Like I said earlier this proves he is not ready for adult responsibility as this question is stupid to pose to unknowns.
If you want a bike, then buy it. But dealing with your parents is then your issue not ours. Did I always listen to my parents? No. But I didn't walk down the street and ask every stranger I saw (pre-internet) if they thought I should do this or that. Advice is one thing, but this advice should come from someone closer to the situation; friends, relatives, neighbors, classmates etc. And again, he doesn't need strangers to tell him to hide this from his family. Do it and do it openely. Do not hide anything from your family. But it's still your decision.

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 9:18:18 AM

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Opinions are like assholes, what can I say.

All depends on the situation. Everyone here is right in their way.... OP, take it with a grain of salt.

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 9:32:33 AM

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So, I'm kind of curious to hear from the kid again, he's got a lot of responses but has said nothing more. Seems like a hot button issue, and everyone has their own opinions, but what is right in any situation is dependent on what the variables are that no one really knows but him and his dad.

Have you made up your mind yet crawler?

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 10:14:20 AM

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im not on one side or the other. but to all the people telling him to just go get it.....(excluding compulady5), if he just goes and gets a bike and parks it in the garage/driveway, his dad can walk out w/ a giant chain and cable lock and that bike STILL could sit until he's 21.

and i agree w/ what was said earlier, which i too brought up a few pages back...........there could be something in the fathers past that keeps him from wanting his son to get a bike. not saying i agree w/ any of this....just my 2cents

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 10:55:46 AM

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So let's review the lines of thought:

1) Eat shit kid...parents are always right and you can shove any dreams of a bike
2) Get the bike, hide it in a cave, and hope you don't get in an accident...or caught by dad
3) Eat shit dad...get the bike and park it in the driveway in open defiance of the rules
4) Make steps to show you want to be a responsible, safe rider and see how it goes (gear, MSF, CBR Forum

, etc)

...I'm going with option four.

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 11:25:01 AM

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Or he could just suck it up and spend his time doing option #4, get a POS car to get him to and from school and work and save money and by then he'll be either old enough or on his own to just buy one in cash, no parental inference.

Hmm...

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 11:35:04 AM

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If he ever read this he wouldn't agree, but I'll put it out here anyway. Buy a cheap cruiser. He'll be fine with you on that, you'll learn the road and you'll be ready to step into sportbike. You do that, and you just might have your CBR at 20. I mean, you did want to save on gas, right and ride a bike too?

Taking the safety course teaches you how to ride but it does not teach you how to look out for the people that are going to pull out in front of you. I've had my bike a week, and within the first 3 days I had 2 people cut me off. Luckily I'm a defensive enough driver to see it coming before hand.

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 11:59:32 AM

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Taking the safety course teaches you how to ride but it does not teach you how to look out for the people that are going to pull out in front of you. I've had my bike a week, and within the first 3 days I had 2 people cut me off. Luckily I'm a defensive enough driver to see it coming before hand.

I disagree. The MSF teaches S.I.P.D.E. and that is an excellent way to stay alive.

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/15/2007 9:20:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: MikeInCtown

Sorry, but had to post again on this.

I looked at his signature and he lives just southwest of me actually. The area where he lives is growing FAST and there are a lot of cars on the road at times there. I also don't know what college is in Medina, so he's probably driving a bit to get to class either in Akron, or in Cleveland and in rush hour traffic at that.

+1 I was born and raised in Medina, joined the military and then was stationed here in Colorado, but getting back to what you said, automotive related accidents are the #1 killer of teens in that region of Ohio, and has been for YEARS!! 12 years ago when I wanted to get my first bike, parents said No Way! for that reason alone. What pisses me off about this whole thread, is it was started by this one kid who wanted some help, and after all these responces he still hasn't defended himself, or his father! He hasn't even posted anything since? I think he is too immature for a bike right now, if he can't man up now how will he ever stand up in the real world?

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RE: Dad won't let get bike, Says its DEATH - 6/16/2007 8:01:12 AM

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Is this thread still alive...wow. The bottom line is the kid wants a new toy. A new dangerous toy. A new dangerous toy that is really only meant for fair weather. The kid wants a dangerous fair weather toy. The kid is gonna stomp his little feet and whine because his Daddy doesn't want him to have a new dangerous toy that is really only meant for fair weather. To all the people that said go buy it and hide it, not only are you lying, deceitful, immature a-holes, but that advice shows the lack of morality so pervasive in our society. What if the Old Man has a business and he wants the kid to be a part of it. How on earth can he expect Junior to be responsible enough to become part of his crew if the kid won't even follow the simplest of rules. Things are WAAAY differnt now I guess. The way I grew up was to listen to your Parents until you could help them more than they help you. At that time you earn their respect and become a man. That is independence and maturity. Until then, the kid should just wait a few years until he can buy his new shiny toy and park it in his own parking space infront of his own apartment that he pays for with his own money that he makes at his own job. If my kid bought a bike AND I told him no, I would run the parked bike over first and then apoligize later and then let the kid go cry to his mother.

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