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600 vs 1000 - 7/5/2007 7:23:46 AM

equan

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How would you describe the difference between a 600 and 1000? Many times I have read 1000's are for experienced riders.

Is it just a personal preference when it comes to this? I'm two weeks into riding and have a 600f4i, which I love...but just curious why some prefer one over the other.

In particular....how does theCBR1000RR compare w/ the R1.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/5/2007 9:03:35 PM

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The 600 is fast.
The 1000 is ridiculously fast.

Pretty much sums it up.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/6/2007 1:17:57 PM

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Street riding only or do you plan on doing track days? It matters.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/6/2007 3:05:04 PM

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The biggest difference in having a 1000 over a 600 is torque. The biggest advantage 600's have over 1000's is that they are more nimble being that they are overal smaller. You can throw them into a corner easier but the 1000's seem to be more stable no matter what speed over the 600. Any way you cut it either machine is bad ass in its own right but how bad ass it can be come down to one thing, the rider. As for the R1 and 1000RR both are great bikes. Honda has a better fit and finish as well as reliability but lacks alittle power compared to the R1. Currently the new R1's are having trouble with their new "fly by wire" velocity stacks.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/6/2007 4:00:47 PM

equan

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chornbe-no plans for track days right now...

trimax - thanks for the info...

Met a guy w/ a 1000Gixxer who said he got bored w/ the power on a 600. I'm on the opposite of that spectrum now...but if and when that time comes for me I'll check out the 1000. Man, I love to ride!!!!

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/6/2007 4:54:22 PM

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600's have more power than most people will ever need or exploit to it potential.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/7/2007 10:54:51 PM

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I prefer the 1000s. Acceleration is better. Bigger more comfortable. More torque and power. Power wheelies are ridiculously easy. Keeps me on my toes because of the power. Handles the track just fine. I don't see 600's just destroying 1000's on the track.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/10/2007 1:07:07 PM

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If someone is BORED with a 600 they aren't riding it right!! They rock. I ride my wifes R6 through the twisties and it puts every bit as much of a smile on my face as my 1000. And it's less work to go fast through tight bits on the 600. I love my 1000 and would not be with out a liter bike, but it wasn't because my 600 bored me. It was a VERY fun bike. I like the 1000 for it's torque. I ride my bike to work more often than not and having power available EVERYwhere is nice. And......yes it wheelies VERY easy.
A 600 with a GOOD rider can eat an average rider on a 1000 for lunch at the track. I've been there.......and been eaten alive by race prepped 600's. Street 600's dont really stand much of a chance........but a race prepped 600 will make upwards of 130RWHP and weigh in around 360lbs. They are VERY fast.

Just my opinion.........I think that after 2 weeks even the thought of a 1000 should scare you. They are nothing to scoff at. Hell your F4i makes a LOT more power than my 600 Hurricane did, and it was still quite fun.

The 600 rules for track days, the 1000 has more usable power.........to a certain degree. It makes it's power lower in the RPM range....making it more useful more of the time, but not always.

I dont know........I like em both for different things.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/10/2007 9:31:38 PM

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There's nothing wrong with getting a 1 liter bike. Its like me saying I'm tired of driving a pickup and going out and buying a Mustang GT. The main thing I look at is to see if I'm "comfertable" with it. If there's any doubt or you fell akward, then thats when trouble arrives.

I've only been on a 250 and an 800cc, so I have no knowledge of what a 600, 750, or a 1000cc feels like. I'd like to ride one of each just so I can say I know the difference. Heck I'd like to ride the odd balls like Kawa's 636.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/16/2007 10:00:04 AM

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I'm a big guy and the 600 has more than enough power to get my ass moving. Mine is a 92 and judging by how the newer ones look I'll have to move to at least a 900+ just to get a larger bike to ride as the new 600s seem smaller than my older F2 and the bars seem a lot lower. I think if and when I ever upgrade, I'll probably buy a used 954 and save my $$ for tires or safety gear.

I've got over a thousand miles on my bike in the first month and a half so far and I'm not even close to knowing what I need to in order to ride a bigger and faster bike.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/17/2007 12:59:48 PM

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I agree with gixxereater 100% if i didn't get such a deal on my bike I would still be rocking my F3. I had a blast on that bike and most of the time in the twisties I was out running the 1000's until we hit a nice straight away.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/18/2007 6:05:53 AM

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In my opinion the 600's are great track bikes...easy to handle, lighter and nimble as well. It does have power but easier to manage.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/30/2007 5:13:32 AM

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What about the manageability of the different classes? Are the literbikes the suicide machines that people say they are? I totalled my 600RR last month and when shopping around for a replacement I found a dealer who was trying to get rid of a new 2006 ZX-10R for $8400 and was tempted to move up just because it was cheaper than any new 600 in town. A couple of friends of mine, each with 40,000 miles of sportbike riding under their belts, told me not to go for the literbike because it was just too much power. I ended up getting a replacement 600RR.

Back when I was riding my Shadow Aero, I thought a 600 would have too much power on its own, and was braced for wheelies and losses of rear wheel traction when I opened up the throttle. Now I am at 5,000 feet of altitude, but on my 600RR I have to work really hard to get the wheel to come up. Actually, I can totally wrench the throttle from idle to the limitin one massive flick and the wheel won't come up. You actually have to downshift and shoot straight to redline to get the wheel to come up, and even then it doesn't happen all the time. My accident was because of bad terrain and loss of eye control coming into a corner, not anything to do with the bike. I have never lost traction and never had the wheel come up when I wasn't trying real hard.

I have another friend, though, one that has a weakness for stories, who talked about his friend's 1000RR having the wheel come up with just a slight increase in throttle. When I frowned and commented that that was too much power, though, he confessed that it never did that to him. Again, back when I was on my cruiser I thought that the 600s were such that riding them wrong would get you killed with wheelies and spinouts and the like, and that a 1000 would cause even an experienced rider to lose control with a slightly careless rollon or other minor miscalculation. But now that I know my 600RR is so tame, I am wondering if the rumors about the literbikes are exaggerated.

So I am asking you guys out there with literbikes, how easy is it to spin out the back tire with too much acceleration out of a corner? How easy is it to bring up the front wheel with a healthy rollon? How easy is it to lose control of a literbike? Being a 35 year old family man who loves 90mph corners on a 350 lb bike more than going 200mph with a 400lb bike, I think I would prefer my 600 to a 1000 anyway. I think the 600 is more my style. But as I get more experienced and hang around with other riders, I kind of want to know what others are doing and whether I should advise a young kid who wants ultrapower to get a literbike or if I should tell him to only get such a bike after lots of experience on a 600 in the interest of keeping him out of the hospital.

So what do you guys have to say?

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/30/2007 5:23:42 AM

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The 600 vs 1000 in the twisties talk is mostly bunk now... 20 years ago the 600s really were lighter and more nimble, but now they're almost the same. With the slipper clutches and the rest of the techno stuff - the drive out of the turn isn't as hair raising as it used to be. Getting the power down is getting easier. Meaning? The gap between the 600 and the 1000 in the tight twisties is closing... if it weren't people would stick a 600 in the 1000 class races and eat them up on a tight track.

The 600 is stupendously fast. The only time the 600 isn't fast is if you are in top gear, lower rpms, and you want to make a pass in a short window. On the 600 you click down 1 or 2 (or 3 for some REAL fun) gears and crack her wide open. On the 1000 this is purely optional as the additional torque will pull you out of the low rpms in a hurry...

Do you need a 1000 bike? Nope... but the same could be said of the 600 so it's a fairly weak arguement until you consider price and insurance... personally I love my F4 600 it is fast enough and comfortable enough I can knock off 1100km with no problem.

If we're talking speed the 1000 wins. If we're talking bang for buck, the 600 wins.

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RE: 600 vs 1000 - 7/31/2007 3:41:17 PM

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I love people who say they are 'bored' of 600's, and they dont have enough power. These idiots cant go round corners or use the bikes potential properly. Any jerk can go fast in a straight line.
And I love kicking those peoples asses on my wifes 400, and seeing the look on their faces.
600's deserve respect.

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